Tyrod Taylor: I still feel that I’d done more than enough to stay

[Teddy KGB]

38 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

Here we go teddy!   Funny how he got to the playoffs and you still can’t be grateful.  No playoff game is easily winnable. Shows how much you don’t know 

 

Scoring 10 points in 4 quarters is hard for an NFL team ? 

 

??‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️

 

???

 

 

[Tsaikotic]

2 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I’m just glad the Dolphins doctors passed on him. Can you IMAGINE? Brady AND Brees in division for that many years? Just the thought makes me queezy......

 

(I’m think he had a questionable labrum, BTW) 

yea we would have been screwed, but at least maybe with both in AFCE the Pats*** wouldnt have won the AFCE title 100 years in a row...

[FearLess Price]

10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I think you're spot on here.  If Taylor were benched and the rookie struggled, and the team supported Taylor, that would be divisive as heck in the locker room

 

Right. Thats bad for business. They invested enough draft capital in JA  to give him the best possible enviornment to flourish and having Tyrod here is counterproductive to that. 

[H2o]

I think Tyrod liked it here. He liked his teammates. Everyone liked him as well. We gave him 3 years. After those 3 years you still saw the same limitations. One can argue that this past year he had absolutely no weapons. Watkins traded, Woods and Goodwin leave via FA, then the guys we had either underachieved or missed multiple games due to injury. But when watching Tyrod play, you still see the same limitations no matter who is on the field. Great guy, high character, hard worker, great teammate, and gave it his all on the field. He just isn't that Franchise QB we have needed. He hasn't shown in those 3 years the ability to carry a team with his arm. Even now, in this statement, I don't see this as him whining or complaining. I think it is just him expressing his thoughts. Best of luck to Tyrod in Cleveland, except if they ever face us. 

[Augie]

6 minutes ago, Tsaikotic said:

yea we would have been screwed, but at least maybe with both in AFCE the Pats*** wouldnt have won the AFCE title 100 years in a row...

 

I know it FEELS like 100 years, but I don’t think it’s been much more than 50. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 minutes ago, Augie said:

I’m just glad the Dolphins doctors passed on him. Can you IMAGINE? Brady AND Brees in division for that many years? Just the thought makes me queezy......

(I’m think he had a questionable labrum, BTW) 

 

Correct on the labrum.  Also rotator cuff.  Nothing questionable about it, it was unquestionably torn and in addition to surgical repair, Brees required treatment to regain muscle movement.

[BuffaloMatt]

I've said it before and I was a TT supporter. Three points on offense in three different games. (That is also the reason Rico is gone)

Edited June 2, 2018 by BuffaloMatt

[billspro]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm really tired of this argument.  Per you, Drew Brees should have been thrown out of the league after 2003: 3 games under 100 passing yards and 4 more under 200 yds (an additional game that just squeaked over that benchmark 202), out of only 11 games started.  Average of only 191 yds passing.  Brees clearly wasn't doing enough to stay on an NFL team.  Ship the bum out of town.  Next year, pro bowl, "comeback player of the year".  Two years later, moves to N'Orleans and the rest is history.

 

I'm not arguing that the Bills should have kept Tyrod nor that he's Drew Brees, just that the criteria cited are (based on history) not good benchmarks for whether or not a guy is capable of quality QB play in the NFL.

 

Was that his rookie season? I’m sure if Brees put up those stat lines in year seven lots of people would want to ship him out of town.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

40 minutes ago, Tsaikotic said:

ah yea ok..I wasnt thinking about his time in SD..makes sense now

 

I do remember that i wanted Brees when he was being shopped around or cut  or whatever happened, I forget...just remember wanting him to be a Bill

 

Yeah.  If only.....but the Bills had just drafted JP Losman, our team K-Mart Blue Light Special.  (Neither.  Brees was a FA and was offered a contract by SD, but NO offered more)

4 minutes ago, billspro said:

Was that his rookie season? I’m sure if Brees put up those stat lines in year seven lots of people would want to ship him out of town.

 

Third season in the NFL, 2nd as a starter.  And lots of people did want to ship him out of town, including the SD FO who drafted a QB in the 1st that year.

[MILFHUNTER#518]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I don't think Foles would have come here.  I think he wanted to play for someone in the Reid coaching tree.

 

We could have gone after Keenum, but does anyone think Keenum would have had the year he had in Minnesota under Dennison instead of Shurmer, and throwing to Thompson and Jones instead of Theilen and Diggs? I know I don't.

Our coach does come from the Andy Reid coaching tree.

 

You are right though, I think the only situation he can possibly be successful in is where he is right now. That Eagles team is totally loaded, and coached up to the n'th degree so much so that even E.J Manuel would look like an All Pro running that offense.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Just now, MILFHUNTER#518 said:

Our coach does come from the Andy Reid coaching tree.

 

You are right though, I think the only situation he can possibly be successful in is where he is right now. That Eagles team is totally loaded, and coached up to the n'th degree so much so that even E.J Manuel would look like an All Pro running that offense.

 

I'm sorry, I should have said "an offensive coordinator from the Andy Reid coaching tree", which Dennison most assuredly was NOT

 

I think Foles would have done pretty well in KC or on the Vikes last year.  Maybe in Houston.  I agree on the right situation, but I think it's more common than n = 1

[cba fan]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm really tired of this argument.  Per you, Drew Brees should have been thrown out of the league after 2003: 3 games under 100 passing yards and 4 more under 200 yds (an additional game that just squeaked over that benchmark 202), out of only 11 games started.  Average of only 191 yds passing.  Brees clearly wasn't doing enough to stay on an NFL team.  Ship the bum out of town.  Next year, pro bowl, "comeback player of the year".  Two years later, moves to N'Orleans and the rest is history.

 

I'm not arguing that the Bills should have kept Tyrod nor that he's Drew Brees, just that the criteria cited are (based on history) not good benchmarks for whether or not a guy is capable of quality QB play in the NFL.

Bress did lose his job in 2003 to the guy he beat out in Doug Flutie. To then regain the job by default when Flutie showed he was done as an NFL starter.

 

Bress did not continue to play like a QB that should be benched. Tyrod on the other hand was not terrible but also not good enough to generate a consistent passing offense.

Edited June 2, 2018 by cba fan

[MILFHUNTER#518]

1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm sorry, I should have said "an offensive coordinator from the Andy Reid coaching tree", which Dennison most assuredly was NOT

 

I think Foles would have done pretty well in KC or on the Vikes last year.  Maybe in Houston.  I agree on the right situation, but I think it's more common than n = 1

Nothing to be sorry about. I think you are probably right, about KC or the Vikes. Houston only because of a weak division and solid D.

 

At the end of the day, this staff showed great discipline and forethought sticking with Tyrod for a year rather than stubbornly going out and getting "their guy" year one.I am still stunned at the genius of the trades to get all the picks, and the great coaching McDermott showed the talent depleted roster halfway through the season.

[Teddy KGB]

Brees 70,445 yards passing through 249 games or 282 ypg. 

 

Taylor 9,056 yards passing through 58 games or 158 ypg.     ???????

[JaCrispy]

2 hours ago, Teddy KGB said:

Delusional 

 

Benched for poor play leaving us with Peterman 

 

130 yard easily winnable playoff game 

 

 

 

 

 

He really is delusional...and that’s the biggest reason the bills needed to move on...if he truly feels he had done enough and the team decided to keep him, the bills were doomed to fail.

[BringBackOrton]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

And that's an entirely valid consideration. 

 

My point is just that I'm tired of hearing low-yardage passing games thrown out as though they're infallable metrics of a QB's NFL quality.

One can not look at a single-season performance of a QB with <100 yd and <200 yd passing games and say "this guy sucks, he doesn't belong on an NFL team".  Or at least, if one did, one would be kicking a number of very high quality NFL QB off the roster.

 

Now, if you look at film - as you say "what he did or didn't do when passing" and see Taylor missing open WR and struggling with reads and progressions after 3 years as a starter in a way that makes one question whether he's progressed, that would be a good reason to move on.

All metrics in regards to football are fallible.  But Tyrod's low yardage games are a simple way to exemplify how ineffective he was for large stretches.  

[MJS]

2 hours ago, THE SLAMMER said:

Would be a top 5 backup Quarterback

 

Nah. He's a top 25 starter. Just not good enough to win consistently. He should start for bad teams, though.

[Lfod]

Good luck in the factory of sadness. You let me down in the Panthers and Jaguars games. I would rather have the 3rd round pick then sit through another game the defense wins for you. 

 

I don't hold a grudge against you. Turn it up in Cleveland if your so good. Although I mean people should quit asking him about Buffalo. It's like asking a dude about his hot ex girlfriend when he's with the new ugly one. 

Edited June 2, 2018 by Lfod

[CommonCents]

25 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Keemun here last season? 

 

He would've sucked and the Bills would've sucked.

Are you so sure of that? Keenum was the highest rated QB outside of the pocket last season. Sure, he wouldn’t have had Theilen and Diggs but he would have had a better running game. I’d take Keenum over Taylor 7 days a week, if your QB offers nothing presnap then you have the wrong guy. 

 

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-turning-point/0ap3000000885322/How-a-Keenum-audible-sparked-Vikings-win-NFL-Turning-Point

 

 

[Cheektowaga Chad]

I think the main reason Tyrod isnt here is how he leads, which comes across mostly by example.

 

With a rookie qb you plan to develop you would want a more hands on approach from the other qb's 

 

Josh Allen could have learned a lot from tyrod but it would have been up to himself to watch and learn, mostly training himself

 

With mccarron he comes across as another qb coach so to speak. In the few interviews I've heard it sounds like he is on board training Allen to be the guy

[C.Biscuit97]

3 hours ago, Zebrastripes said:

Two games with under 100 passing yards and 6 more with under 200 really isn't doing enough to stay on a NFL team.

You know we just spent a top 10 pick on a quarterback who averaged 161 yards/ game last year. In the Mountain West.  

 

I was was not a big Tyrod fan because I didn’t think he was a franchise qb.  But he was certainly solid and I totally get him thinking the way he does.  The Bills hired a WCO OC which was a terrrible fit for his style.  They trade away his best wr a month before the opener and tried to replace him with Jordan Matthews.  We had the least explosive wr core for a qb who’s best strength was throwing deep.  We benched him for a rookie in the middle of a playoff race which could have gotten a coach fired if we missed the playoffs. And after all that, he was the qb who ended the drought.

 

it was time to move on but the Bills did not put him in the best position to succeed. Odds are Tyrod is a better qb than AJ. Now, it’s on if Josh Allen will be the better qb (which isn’t the slam dunk most think it is).

[MarlinTheMagician]

Loved Tyrod when he was here, love him now.  Having said that, also could see his limitations.  But he gave our team his all, stabilized a horrific quarterback situation and was a great teammate.  Likely we needed to move on for Bills to take the next step.  But I hope he keeps Baker on the bench and takes the Brownies to the playoffs.  Baltimore and Cinci have windows that closed.  Pittsburgh can't win forever.  Browns with Tyrod vs. Bills with Allen in playoffs would be epic.  Browns. Bills is only game I want Tryod to lose - all class.

[bmur66]

Tyrod Taylor has had one 300 yard passing game in his entire pro career and that was in a loss. I think that stat says it all. Ya sure Buffalo was a running offense but I am not buying that excuse. I wish him the best in Cleveland but I think we have seen his best and it's not good enough 

[C.Biscuit97]

1 minute ago, bmur66 said:

Tyrod Taylor has had one 300 yard passing game in his entire pro career and that was in a loss. I think that stat says it all. Ya sure Buffalo was a running offense but I am not buying that excuse. I wish him the best in Cleveland but I think we have seen his best and it's not good enough 

Josh Allen had 2 in the Mountain West.  One against Garner Webb and one against UNLV.

[Big Gun]

2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm really tired of this argument.  Per you, Drew Brees should have been thrown out of the league after 2003: 3 games under 100 passing yards and 4 more under 200 yds (an additional game that just squeaked over that benchmark 202), out of only 11 games started.  Average of only 191 yds passing.  Brees clearly wasn't doing enough to stay on an NFL team.  Ship the bum out of town.  Next year, pro bowl, "comeback player of the year".  Two years later, moves to N'Orleans and the rest is history.

 

I'm not arguing that the Bills should have kept Tyrod nor that he's Drew Brees, just that the criteria cited are (based on history) not good benchmarks for whether or not a guy is capable of quality QB play in the NFL.

Brees 3 under 100 yard games were his 22nd, 24th, 27th starts. 

 

Tyrods 22nd, 24th, 27th starts go as

 

22nd - 19/38 183 yards 0 TD 0 int

24th - 19/28 166 yards 0 TD 1 int

27th - 15/25 228 yards 2 TD 1 int

 

Clearly better than Brees 22, 24, 27 who was in his 3rd year compared to Tyrod 6th year and clearly 4 years of backup duties compared to 1 for Brees aided Tyrods numbers to be better at the early stages of both of their starting QB play.

 

Tyrod two under 100 yard games this past year were game starts 38 and 41

 

Brees games 38 and 41 starts go as

 

38th - 28/37 378 yards 2 TD 0 int

41st - 4/6 85 yards 1 TD 0 int, obviously Brees got hurt and couldn't finish the game.

 

on Brees way to 3100+ yards 27 TD 7 int as 3rd year starter, compared to 2800 yards 14 TD 4 int as 3rd year starter for Tyrod, progression (Brees) opposed to regression (Tyrod)

 

It's obvious there was steady progression to Brees game whereas Tyrods game showed plateau or regression. Guys with 40+ starts under their belt shouldn't be struggling to average 1 TD and 200 pass yards per game. That is more acceptable of a 3rd year guy 2nd year starter than a 7th year guy 3rd year starter. 

 

Brees passing talent was apparent early on whereas Tyrod  is now on his 3rd team.

 

[BringBackOrton]

32 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

You know we just spent a top 10 pick on a quarterback who averaged 161 yards/ game last year. In the Mountain West.  

 

I was was not a big Tyrod fan because I didn’t think he was a franchise qb.  But he was certainly solid and I totally get him thinking the way he does.  The Bills hired a WCO OC which was a terrrible fit for his style.  They trade away his best wr a month before the opener and tried to replace him with Jordan Matthews.  We had the least explosive wr core for a qb who’s best strength was throwing deep.  We benched him for a rookie in the middle of a playoff race which could have gotten a coach fired if we missed the playoffs. And after all that, he was the qb who ended the drought.

 

it was time to move on but the Bills did not put him in the best position to succeed. Odds are Tyrod is a better qb than AJ. Now, it’s on if Josh Allen will be the better qb (which isn’t the slam dunk most think it is).

Tyrod wishes he had Josh Allen's arm talent.

[FearLess Price]

34 minutes ago, BuffaloMatt said:

I've said it before and I was a TT supporter. Three points on offense in three different games. (That is also the reason Rico is gone)

 

Rico was super garbage tho. ALynn put up a lot better number with the same flawed QB and a defense that couldn't stop a nose bleed. How many 3 points games did we have with A Lynn at OC? None.

[JPP]

Tyrod Taylor PTSD is alive & kicking!

[C.Biscuit97]

4 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Tyrod wishes he had Josh Allen's arm talent.

I mean Allen is bigger and has a stronger arm than Tyrod. So was Jamarcus Russell.

 

Tyrod was actually a pretty good deep passer, probably the best thing he did throwing.  Again, I was ready for a change at qb.  But I wanna honk they picked the wrong guy.  I pray they prove me wrong.

[BringBackOrton]

2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

I mean Allen is bigger and has a stronger arm than Tyrod. So was Jamarcus Russell.

 

Tyrod was actually a pretty good deep passer, probably the best thing he did throwing.  Again, I was ready for a change at qb.  But I wanna honk they picked the wrong guy.  I pray they prove me wrong.

Yes, and Vince Young was way more mobile than Allen.

 

You can play that silly game all day long.

[buffaloboyinATL]

4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Moving on was the right decision for both sides. Tyrod handled himself with class as always. The Bills handled it the right way by keeping him in the loop. 

This. I am impressed with how well he has handled this situation. He is a true professional and I wish him well going forward.

[Domdab99]

I'd much rather have Tyrod than AJ, that's for sure. But without trading Tyrod, we wouldn't have Edmunds....so I think we made out well with that one. 

[HOUSE]

I can't wait for the Cleveland highlight here, SEE, "We made a big mistake"

Tyrod ran for 160 yards today

Final Score Pittsburgh 9, Cleveland 6

[Pbomb]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Compared to McCarron Taylor is probably objectively correct, and IMO that belief is probably one of the main reasons he was shipped out.  If Taylor were benched for a rookie who then struggled, Taylor might have been outspoken about it and even brought up the race card as he did last fall, which would have been divisive to the team.  I think in the Bills opinion, McCarron is much more likely to be a "good soldier" about any coaching decisions the team makes.

 

Regarding that playoff game, one might wish to consider that Bortles was 34-155 with 75 yd net passing.  "But Bortles sucks too !" you might say, except that he sucked to the tune of hanging up 378 yds on the Steelers and 374 on the Pats in subsequent games.  My point is JUST MAYBE the weather conditions in Jax had something to do with the passing performance on both sides in that game.

As bad as bortles was that game he still managed to get 1 td drive. And that was the difference, tyrod couldnt

[FearLess Price]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm sorry, I should have said "an offensive coordinator from the Andy Reid coaching tree", which Dennison most assuredly was NOT

 

I think Foles would have done pretty well in KC or on the Vikes last year.  Maybe in Houston.  I agree on the right situation, but I think it's more common than n = 1

 

 

I can agreee with this. Foles is a much better passer than Tyrod but, similar to TT, he also needs an OC and scheme tailored to his strengths to be effective in the league consistently.

18 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

I'd much rather have Tyrod than AJ, that's for sure. But without trading Tyrod, we wouldn't have Edmunds....so I think we made out well with that one. 

 

I can agree with this 100%. Im just hoping Edmunds stays healthy and JA surprises early.

[C.Biscuit97]

24 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said:

Yes, and Vince Young was way more mobile than Allen.

 

You can play that silly game all day long.

I have no idea what you’re saying.  You just said Allen had amazing arm talent and the league is filled with guys with amazing arm talent who did nothing.

 

i wanted Tyrod to move on and get a new qb. We did that and though it definitely wasn’t the guy I wanted, I hope for the best. But I’m super nervous about him.

20 minutes ago, Domdab99 said:

I'd much rather have Tyrod than AJ, that's for sure. But without trading Tyrod, we wouldn't have Edmunds....so I think we made out well with that one. 

Yeah, getting a high 3rd for Tyrod was shocking.  

[QCity]

In terms of forum comedy Tyrod is the gift that keeps on giving. Drew Brees, huh?

[McNubbins]

It's strange seeing Tygod in Browns colors.

[baskingridgebillsfan]

He seems like a good guy.  At the of the day he has major limitations that Mcdermott wanted to move on from.   I agree with the decision.  I think Taylor has enough heart and athletic ability to keep your team competitive. He does not have a diverse enough skill set to win consistently .   Cleveland has a ton of weapons and should be a fun team to watch but if they win for the 7 or 8 games i will be very surprised  

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

..forget all of the stats crap (highly manipulative to prove one's point or disprove another's)...kid had an excellent work ethic, was a good teammate and espoused leadership on this club.....problem was the passing game would not become a viable threat with him at the helm, especially a downfield threat....5 seconds or less to process the the field is no easy task which was his inherent weakness....makes game planning difficult (inherent and inconsistent weakness of Dennison IMO).....if film study of opponent shows 60/40 (pass/run) plan would work best, I would question his ability to execute notably downfield .....if opposition stacks the box and shuts down run game, I didn't think he could take over a game with a passing attack....situational question: down by 7 in the 4th with 2:18 on the clock and three timeouts, could he execute the 2 minute drill effectively to tie the game up?.....unfortunately I say no......perhaps once, but not if called upon more often.....so we get a 3rd, the kid moves on to a new start and I hope that Jackson can get him moving towards the next level...no harm no foul here....

Edited June 2, 2018 by OldTimeAFLGuy