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http://www.syracuse.com/orangesports/index.ssf/2018/05/syracuse_details_118_million_in_carrier_dome_renovations_including_permanent_roo.html?__vfz=rtw_top_pages%3D9789600014006

 

A Buffalo Bills pre-season game at the Carrier Dome in Syracuse, NY?

 

I always understood that the biggest obstacle to the Bills playing a pre-season game at the Carrier Dome was the lack of air conditioning.  

 

Had Syracuse, NY native Russ Brandon still be with the Bills I'm confident it could be done!

 

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6 hours ago, Just Jack said:

Won't happen. Even with AC, the Dome is not up to NFL standards. 

NFL needs to get over themselves. It is just a meaningless pre season game. Who cares about standards. 

 

Bears played in U of IL stadium for a year when Soldier field was redone. Vikings played in U of MN stadium for a year when new stadium was built. If NFL can play in reg season games in Mexico City and MLB can play in Puerto Rico etc etc.. it can be done. PS: and just recently on the island with no power. Using generators to light the field.

 

I think NFL can suck it up and put up with a cramped locker room for one meaningless preseason game.  If it is about production issues for TV again they can suck it up and use hand held cameras instead of cameras on dollies/rails etc etc...….to broadcast it.

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1 hour ago, cba fan said:

NFL needs to get over themselves. It is just a meaningless pre season game. Who cares about standards. 

 

Bears played in U of IL stadium for a year when Soldier field was redone. Vikings played in U of MN stadium for a year when new stadium was built. If NFL can play in reg season games in Mexico City and MLB can play in Puerto Rico etc etc.. it can be done. PS: and just recently on the island with no power. Using generators to light the field.

 

I think NFL can suck it up and put up with a cramped locker room for one meaningless preseason game.  If it is about production issues for TV again they can suck it up and use hand held cameras instead of cameras on dollies/rails etc etc...….to broadcast it.

It’s more about the revenue differences. If the Bills lose 1/10 of their ticketing revenue, sponsorship revenue, goodwill with the core fans, etc...is it worth it? The answer is almost certainly no. They can’t possibly make up for that by taking a game to Syracuse. Loss of revenue + loss of goodwill isn’t necessarily something that the Bills will consider.

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1 hour ago, Drunken Pygmy Goat said:

Do the Bills have a larger fan base in Syracuse than the Jets or Giants?

I don't meet many Jets fans personally. I feel like it's split between Bills and Giants 

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4 hours ago, PearlHowardman said:

 

I've heard that, too.  I just don't think there would be huge modifications to allow a Buffalo Bills NFL pre-season game.

  The dome to my understanding does not have the broadcast technology the NFL desires to make an NFL game possible never mind desirable. 

14 minutes ago, CNY315 said:

I don't meet many Jets fans personally. I feel like it's split between Bills and Giants 

  Yep, seems to be mostly Bills or Giants fans to any degree of concentration.  

14 hours ago, PearlHowardman said:

http://www.syracuse.com/orangesports/index.ssf/2018/05/syracuse_details_118_million_in_carrier_dome_renovations_including_permanent_roo.html?__vfz=rtw_top_pages%3D9789600014006

 

A Buffalo Bills pre-season game at the Carrier Dome in Syracuse, NY?

 

I always understood that the biggest obstacle to the Bills playing a pre-season game at the Carrier Dome was the lack of air conditioning.  

 

Had Syracuse, NY native Russ Brandon still be with the Bills I'm confident it could be done!

 

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  If it were to be done it would have happened by now.  I think when Ralph was still running things he would have been open to a game in Syracuse and perhaps a game played in December in what most likely would have been poor weather.  But still as stated before the dome would have to have upgrades  for broadcast purposes and I doubt SU would have paid for them.  For the time being I don't see the Pegula's as being interested in a game down to Syracuse.

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14 hours ago, PearlHowardman said:

http://www.syracuse.com/orangesports/index.ssf/2018/05/syracuse_details_118_million_in_carrier_dome_renovations_including_permanent_roo.html?__vfz=rtw_top_pages%3D9789600014006

 

A Buffalo Bills pre-season game at the Carrier Dome in Syracuse, NY?

 

I always understood that the biggest obstacle to the Bills playing a pre-season game at the Carrier Dome was the lack of air conditioning.  

 

Had Syracuse, NY native Russ Brandon still be with the Bills I'm confident it could be done!

 

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Great!   Bring back Brandon so the bills can play in Syracuse!   

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18 minutes ago, Peevo said:

I don't get this, there's no mention of hosting any NFL product of any kind in this article.

 

 

Is there even any interest in 'Cuse hosting an NFL game, regardless of team?  

  This is a good question but it still comes down to lacking the broadcast technology and there has been no indication SU wants to invest in that.  Supposedly, SU is looking to replace the dome in the next 10-20 years so it makes it less likely they will spend heavily on the dome.  Then there would be the issue of territory and whether Syracuse is considered Bills territory.  If the Jets chose to play a game there it would open the door for other teams to play games deep in other teams' territories and I don't think that any one NFL team wants to open the door to that.  Then there is the cost of playing a home game away from the permanent facilities.  Lastly, I have never heard any rumor as far as SU wanting to have an NFL game played there.

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Saw Sir Paul there last year. First time I had been there and my impression was that the place was a dump. It was a pretty warm night so it was really warm in there that night, especially in the upper level. 

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14 hours ago, PearlHowardman said:

http://www.syracuse.com/orangesports/index.ssf/2018/05/syracuse_details_118_million_in_carrier_dome_renovations_including_permanent_roo.html?__vfz=rtw_top_pages%3D9789600014006

 

A Buffalo Bills pre-season game at the Carrier Dome in Syracuse, NY?

 

I always understood that the biggest obstacle to the Bills playing a pre-season game at the Carrier Dome was the lack of air conditioning.  

 

Had Syracuse, NY native Russ Brandon still be with the Bills I'm confident it could be done!

 

:)

 

Are you kidding me? The stadium literally named after an HVAC Corporatation has inadequate HVAC???

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1 hour ago, dhg said:

Saw Sir Paul there last year. First time I had been there and my impression was that the place was a dump. It was a pretty warm night so it was really warm in there that night, especially in the upper level. 

 

Part of the renovations listed in the article are to remedy that dumpy look. 

 

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Are you kidding me? The stadium literally named after an HVAC Corporatation has inadequate HVAC???

 

Inadequate? Try none. 

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2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Tell me again why the Bills have to go to their ‘fans’ as opposed to the ‘fans’ making a trip to go to the Bills?

 

As someone who has a 3 hour drive each way, and it’s completely worth it btw, it would be nice to see even a meaningless preseason game 45 mins away once in awhile. Lots and lots of Bills fans in the utica/Syracuse area. 

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3 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It’s more about the revenue differences. If the Bills lose 1/10 of their ticketing revenue, sponsorship revenue, goodwill with the core fans, etc...is it worth it? The answer is almost certainly no. They can’t possibly make up for that by taking a game to Syracuse. Loss of revenue + loss of goodwill isn’t necessarily something that the Bills will consider.

 

I get ticket revenue concerns, however, loss of goodwill? I'm not so sure where that comes into play. I've never heard a season ticket holder who was happy to pay for preseason games. Most wouldn't care or be happy they get one off their books.

 

If it's a loss of money though, I agree, they aren't doing it. I don't see Syracuse doing anything to make it worth it financially like Rogers communications did for the Toronto games.

 

If it happened, good for Syracuse. I genuinely hope they'd enjoy it... but it is preaseason.

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2 hours ago, dhg said:

Saw Sir Paul there last year. First time I had been there and my impression was that the place was a dump. It was a pretty warm night so it was really warm in there that night, especially in the upper level. 

 

The Dome is mecca compared to the Ralph, I'm sorry, New Era Field.

 

Their bathrooms work. How anyone could regularly attend Bills games and call the Carrier Dome a dump is beyond me.

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17 minutes ago, pepsicat17 said:

 

As someone who has a 3 hour drive each way, and it’s completely worth it btw, it would be nice to see even a meaningless preseason game 45 mins away once in awhile. Lots and lots of Bills fans in the utica/Syracuse area. 

I’m sure it would be nice but the Bills are under no obligation to play where you happen to live.

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28 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I get ticket revenue concerns, however, loss of goodwill? I'm not so sure where that comes into play. I've never heard a season ticket holder who was happy to pay for preseason games. Most wouldn't care or be happy they get one off their books.

 

If it's a loss of money though, I agree, they aren't doing it. I don't see Syracuse doing anything to make it worth it financially like Rogers communications did for the Toronto games.

 

If it happened, good for Syracuse. I genuinely hope they'd enjoy it... but it is preaseason.

  I am not sure that ticket revenue for the preseason is a big deal for the NFL if the truth be told.  Probably less of a big deal for Buffalo area fans who feel like they are being held hostage if they want season tickets which forces them to buy in on two preseason games.  I think most Buffalo area fans would only be too happy to have a choice as to whether they want to buy in on both preseason games or not.  Let Syracuse have one preseason Bills game if SU wants it.  

 

  Again, at this point in time I question whether the Pegula's would have the tiniest amount interest in a regular season game there so Buffalo area fans need not fear that.  That SU would want to host a regular season game is equally unlikely at present.  The whole thing probably mattered more when the Jets had camp at Cortland with an eye on the WNY market when ownership of the Bills was up in the air.

27 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Doubtful. Plus what would be the point really? 

 Most likely smaller than the Giants who have a far longer history but even with Jets camp in Cortland a few years ago you did not see many sporting Jets gear in points east of Rochester.

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39 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said:

 

I get ticket revenue concerns, however, loss of goodwill? I'm not so sure where that comes into play. I've never heard a season ticket holder who was happy to pay for preseason games. Most wouldn't care or be happy they get one off their books.

 

If it's a loss of money though, I agree, they aren't doing it. I don't see Syracuse doing anything to make it worth it financially like Rogers communications did for the Toronto games.

 

If it happened, good for Syracuse. I genuinely hope they'd enjoy it... but it is preaseason.

The Rogers deal was a big upfront payment at a time when the gap between the haves and have nots was at its peak. These new stadiums were popping up everywhere with suite revenue and local sponsorship revenue that drove the cap. The Bills has to do that to remain viable. In addition to the chunk of money that they got they attracted new Canadian sponsorship revenue and their Canadian ticket base reached an all-time high. It was similar to camp in Rochester. 

 

Syracuse isn’t the size of Southern Ontario (or even 10% the size). There will be fans and sponsors that hate the idea of one less game a year. For sponsors, it is 10% less impressions. For the fans it’s one less game to attend (potentially with the kids). This all goes without even mentioning the owners desire to do that. I can’t imagine that the Pegula’s would even consider this. There really is no positives other than attracting a few more fans in CNY. 

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4 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It’s more about the revenue differences. If the Bills lose 1/10 of their ticketing revenue, sponsorship revenue, goodwill with the core fans, etc...is it worth it? The answer is almost certainly no. They can’t possibly make up for that by taking a game to Syracuse. Loss of revenue + loss of goodwill isn’t necessarily something that the Bills will consider.

Can they play a pre-pre-season game ...like a scrimmage with the Jets!

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3 hours ago, dhg said:

Saw Sir Paul there last year. First time I had been there and my impression was that the place was a dump. It was a pretty warm night so it was really warm in there that night, especially in the upper level. 

I skipped that concert, and will probably regret it since you never know if you’ll get the chance to see him again. The venue was the sole reason that I skipped that concert, and parking is a nightmare. 

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6 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Are you kidding me? The stadium literally named after an HVAC Corporatation has inadequate HVAC???

This is exactly what I was thinking scrolling through the posts.  Thanks -- now I can stop reading.

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2 hours ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said:

I skipped that concert, and will probably regret it since you never know if you’ll get the chance to see him again. The venue was the sole reason that I skipped that concert, and parking is a nightmare. 

I had two options for McCartney last year.  Syracuse or Detroit.  Despite a drive twice as long, I chose Detroit because I didn't want to sit in bleachers for 3 hours in a place where the acoustics are terrible.  I made the right choice as I believe the temps were in the high 80's the day of the Syracuse concert.

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3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m sure it would be nice but the Bills are under no obligation to play where you happen to live.

 

I understand they have no obligation hence the “it would be nice” comment. 

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