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GunnerBill
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This is a mistake. It will bring down this regime. You can mark this post and you can quote it back to me any time you like in the future if I am wrong.    I won't be. 

LEBills
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YESSSSSS!!!!   To all those that are disappointed. You will be very pleasantly surprised. He will burst into the scene like Cam Newton did when he came out of the gate and surprised everyone

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This is literally my nightmare. Don't care about the rest of the draft anymore   EDIT 2021: Every now and then I get a reaction on this post. I was so utterly wrong about Allen. Couldn't be

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2 minutes ago, BillsRdue said:

When I hear his name called I had the typical "wtf" moment, but this kid is growing on me.  And the more I hear Rosen popping off his chops, the happier I get that we took Allen.  I think he may have the ability to surpass Darnold and Mayfield. That's a big if, but he seems like the type of kid who is going to mature into a leader and keep his head intact.  

Darnold's loose ball tendencies in the NY winter may Sanchise him. Mayfield may still be the best, but he seems like a kid who's one tick away from exploding and doing something bad off field that will drag down the clubhouse. Rosen is in a good situation in AZ. Perhaps better than Buff, where he can learn from Palmer and recover from the head injuries. 

 

The dark horse is Rudolph. Pitt always has good teams and sitting behind Ben will get him ready to shine. Bottom line is that I think each team got the QB best suited for their environment. Next up, Lauletta, White or Woodside in NE. My bet is Lauletta in the 4th.  3 years from now he is Tom 1.5, not a full clone, but close enough to keep NE competitive.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I did as well my friend. I was definitely Team Rosen based off of Beane’s comments predraft about being a them looking for a pocket passer and being accurate. I thought Allen was a project  but the tools were always there. 

 

Darnold- man his game just screams Ryan Fitzpatrick to me.. the ruggedness, turnovers, #14. Maybe that’s just me

 

mayfield- he is in a horrible situation and man I wish he could have went ANYWHERE else but Cleveland to silence his critics but I guess if he is gonna do it that’s the best place?

 

I honestly believe Lamar is in the best spot for his growth. He will sit behind Flacco and be forced to wait.  That’s the best thing that could have happened for him.

 

Rudolph I feel is going to be another Landry Jones. 

 

We got the best of the bunch the more I think on it. He is more elite traits than any of the other top 4. 

6 minutes ago, Art in RTP said:

The quarterback sneak is back in the playbook 

He also has a GREAT hardcount:rolleyes:

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29 minutes ago, Rad Likes The Bills said:

He is a raw piece of clay ready to be molded and “processed”!  

He is oozing potential

-Elite Size ( Cam, Wentz, Early Big Ben)

-Elite Arm Strength ( he believes in his arm and if mine was that strong I would too)

- He can move, ( he does vacate a clean pocket more than I would prefer but he will be coached up)

- He is super gritty (fights for extra yardage, numerous hurdles over defenders on film)

-  37 Wonderlic! He is a smart kid, articulate and did great on the whiteboard (hopefully translates into mastering Brian Daboll’s playbook-with the hope down the line he is calling plays at the line of scrimmage being in complete control of the offense, assessing what the  defense is giving him and making the correct play call and key audibles based off matchups)

- Hardworker! Look at how much he has already improved in the offseason, just from the senior bowl to the combine he definitely refined his mechanics. 

 

 

I can’t wait to see him grow into a franchise QB. We have our QB for the next decade! Remember Bills fans there will definitely be some growing pains and he does have a lot of work to put in to reach his ceiling (top 5 Qb, All Pro) but it’s going to be an amazing ride! 

 

#BUFFALOBALLEN!

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He definitely could be the guy. I get why folks are nervous, but you have to be a bit excited.

 

also, is Big Ben shrinking with age? I enjoyed the way you mentioned his size 

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I agree completely. So much upside. Not just his physical traits but his brain! I believe he will develop into a good pocket passer. Thanks for this thread. Way too many chicken little know it all’s out there right now.

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Allen is going to be the greatest thing that happened to the Bills since Jim Kelly (other than our beloved owners stopping Trump or Bon Jovi from getting our team)

 

All three guys we took are huge character guys.  Leaders that work their tails off.  To go with existing highest possible character guys ranging from Zo and Kyle to Milano and Tre White.  This is a very, very easy team to like.

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13 hours ago, Rebel101 said:

Ok so we sit still until the cardinals trade up for Allen and then move up to take Rosen we get a better and player give up less...how you figure that doesnt work.

Ok so we sit still until the cardinals trade up for Allen and then move up to take Rosen we get a better and player give up less...how you figure that doesnt work.

The Bills got the qb that they wanted the most. That was the draft strategy for more than a year. The Bills had a plan to accumulate picks and then use them for the best qb that they could get. The price wasn't cheap but it wasn't exorbitant. We gave up two second round picks and retained the extra first round pick that we gained in a deal with KC last year. One of the two second round picks was an extra pick that was gotten from the Watkins deal to LA.  So one way of looking at this deal is that we gave up an original second round pick for a potential franchise qb.

 

Anyone can look back at any draft after the fact and declare we could have and should have done such and such. The reality is that the Bills were worried that another team was attempting to move up and take our preferred qb. And they were right! The Bills factored in the possibility of such a contingency and they smartly responded on real time. Arizona was targeting the qb that we wanted. They settled for their next best option and we got our preferred option. What's is there to complain about? 

 

If you preferred another qb then so be it. The Bills went into this draft with a desired outcome, and when it was concluded they accomplished what they set up to accomplish. If you consider that as a failure then you must be standing on your head and have an upside/down notion of what success is.  

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25 minutes ago, bkep32 said:

notice how the original poster has been silent the last few pages...goes to show

 

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His parents made him go to bed. The trolls usually wake up around noon and start their crap-throwing.

 

4 minutes ago, bkep32 said:

makes sense..thanks for the clearity....:lol:

 

To be fair, I thought the original poster here was Rebel101, not transplant since Rebel has been doing most of the crying/trolling here.

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Went back and watching Allen’s games. Horrific OL and skill positions but he’s coming into the exact same position here.

 

Even with his elite arm he’s always late getting the football or. Either he has slow eyes or he doesn’t trust what he’s saying. At the next level those windows get smaller. He needs to be quicker.

 

Kid can move which is great but sometimes he’ll run right into trouble when all he needs to do is take a step up or to the side. Footwork is a huge concern but he’s made strides there during the offseason. 

 

I love that he gives his WR’s a chance to go up and get it but sometimes it’s because he holds on to it for so long that he allow the coverage to get back. So a spectacular catch is made when a routine one could’ve been made if he got it out quicker.

 

The kid needs a lot of work and tinkering. I really hope Beane is right on him because I’m so sick of not having a great QB.

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On 4/27/2018 at 2:01 AM, MJS said:

Sounds like you just drank the Kool aid for all of the past Bills QB's.

 

I was an Allen detractor as well, but he's the guy, now. Have to give him the benefit of the doubt. He has an elite style body and skills. I just hope he can learn the finer things like touch, accuracy, and decision making.

 

I must say I was impressed by his high wonderlic score and some of his other off-season work.

Same here.  I’m starting to love this draft.  Coaching will now be the key with Allen.  

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2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

3 rounds, 3 Top 50 players. Rough start.

 

 

So we got...

The 7th best at pick...7.  Ok.

The 4th best at pick...16!  Wow!

The 44th best at pick...96!  Wow!

 

And people still B word about how badly we botched this draft and gave up too much.  Got exactly who we wanted at good value, rather than "plug holes" with mediocre players that could also be picked up in FA.

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Every interview with Rosen pisses me off. The way he carries himself, the me-centered bravado... he's gonna be a target for some big hits. It's almost as if he's begging for the beat down. I hate the Rosens of the world. I'll tell you this, he should shut up and play ball... bean poles shouldn't make themselves targets more than the job requires. 

Someones gonna snap into a slim Josh.... Oooooh Yeaahhh!

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This draft has been fantastic imo.  I liked and like all three players.  Could not find a better understudy for Kyle Williams.  Harrison Phillips is not the 96th best player in this draft.  He is not.  100 plus tackles his senior year is crazy.  He dominated USC this past year.  Not the most explosive athlete but the leverage he plays with is the best in the draft for interior lineman.  In Nebraska a 4 time national championship Wrestler can not be understated.  In short order he will be the Bills best interior lineman.  

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Allen is the guy we needed.  I really wanted him or Darnold for months.  Browns take Baker - and I am like, er, okay.  C'mon Beane, get 'er done with Giants!  They take Barkley.  Well, okay, I can see that.  Praying Jets take Rosen - but they take Darnold!  Oh no, now only the guy I want most is left.  Very, very nervous.  C'mon Beane, get 'er done with Browns at 4 - ALLEN.  No Trade - OH NO!  DOOMED!  Stupid Browns take a DB.  THANK GOD!  I am now in full sweat.  Denver needs a QB.  PLEASE take the CHUBB MAN!  PLEASE, please, one time.  They do!  And I think we are done now, gotta trade with the Colts, right?  But the pick is in!  We know it is not a QB.  BEANE!  FOR THE LOVE OF GOODNESS, HE IS SITTING RIGHT THERE!  Don't get greedy!  I get a text saying we traded with Tampa, but TV has not said it yet. PLEASE.  Then trade is announced.  And I am all like, JUST NOT ROSEN!  Allen, Allen, Allen!  Screaming at the TV.  And they did it.  Can't believe it.  And Edmunds and Harrison?  OMG!

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In 15 less college games than Carson Wentz, Allen threw for 49 less yards and 1 less Td in the same system with the same coach.  With better talent around him in 2016 Allen had a better passer rating than Rosen.  Allen is going to be very good.  Lets move on from the false narrative that he was reach and not good.  That is all wrong.  90% of all the information leading up to the draft had Allen ranked above Mayfield and above Rosen.  More places had Allen ranked 1 than 4.   

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18 minutes ago, Eric Moulds on my A** said:

Every interview with Rosen pisses me off. The way he carries himself, the me-centered bravado... he's gonna be a target for some big hits. It's almost as if he's begging for the beat down. I hate the Rosens of the world. I'll tell you this, he should shut up and play ball... bean poles shouldn't make themselves targets more than the job requires. 

Someones gonna snap into a slim Josh.... Oooooh Yeaahhh!

You get too wrapped up in a personality horse race. Relax. Someday your QB needs to step on the field and play football. Rosen at this point is miles ahead in that dept.

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Was just watching his Senior Bowl highlights, the guy might be labeled inaccurate, but he sure dropped some dimes in that game (and showed his athleticism)

 

 

 

It'll be exciting to see what this kid can do.

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1 minute ago, Dr.Sack said:

You get too wrapped up in a personality horse race. Relax. Someday your QB needs to step on the field and play football. Rosen at this point is miles ahead in that dept.

 

This is a totally false narrative.  In a pressured situation Allen can complete passes off-platform like no other QB in the draft (the 65 yard toss show in one of the clips proves it.  Ironically he should have stepped up and NOT thrown that off platform because he didn't have to.  But it proved the ability).  Rosen is a punk, and Allen is well ahead of him right now.  With the bullets flying Allen would outplay him - see the senior bowl tape.

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Out of the quarterbacks selected Allen is the one who fits this organization and who will want and stay in buffalo for years to come he is the only one who that has the tool chest to compete year in year out for Superbowl I know he is not polished yet but if competing for Superbowl is the objective he was the best option 

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I forgot how outstanding that Senior bowl tape is.  The runs at the beginning - Rosen can't ever do that.  The stick to Gallup - that was decent coverage, and Allen had the arm strength to negate the CB.  The off-platform sidearm sling - he can do that.  And the touch on the pass to Conklin is a thing of beauty.

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Had seen the testing video discussed in the Eisen clip, but had not seen that actual follow-up interview before.  How can you not get excited when they say "his .38 second release time is like Aaron Rogers only with much better arm strength", and then go on to say he is very accurate.  How can you not be excited when Dilfer says "I went in skeptical . . . but when you see Allen move and throw it feels like the greatest guys I played with, it feels like Farve and Elway."  That to me is just incredible.  Thanks for posting.

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9 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

Had seen the testing video discussed in the Eisen clip, but had not seen that actual follow-up interview before.  How can you not get excited when they say "his .38 second release time is like Aaron Rogers only with much better arm strength", and then go on to say he is very accurate.  How can you not be excited when Dilfer says "I went in skeptical . . . but when you see Allen move and throw it feels like the greatest guys I played with, it feels like Farve and Elway."  That to me is just incredible.  Thanks for posting.

 

I believe it was Alfred Pennyworth that put it so well, "Some men just want to watch the world burn". :beer:

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The Bills weighted measurables and situational conditions more than in-game performance with this choice.  The Bills drafted the biggest bodied, best armed, second most nimble (to Mayfield) of the top 4.  The Bills have the potential of playing 10 games a year in windy and inclement northeastern weather (8 Home, NYJ and NE)  and usually end up playing at least 2 and up to 4 in conditions where wind, rain, sleet, snow are a factor. They drafted the most experienced bad weather QB.

 

Is Josh Allen raw -- yes. 

Has he made bad in-game reads and decisions--yes.  (Plus he was a numbskull tweeter when he was in HS)

Is his footwork some of the worst I have seen - yes. 

Is footwork tied to accuracy -- its probably the most important factor. 

If he can't improve his footwork will he fail - yes...

Has he shown improvement in footwork through the draft process - yes

Should the Bills contract with Jordan Palmer to continue to work with him - yes..because between Culley and Daboll the Bills really don't have a QB mechanics guy on staff.

 

Am I confident Josh Allen can be our franchise guy-- no I am not but I wasn't confident about Mayfield (mental instability); Darnold (Turnover machine/bad decisions); or Rosen (Fragility and overconfidence). 

 

Bills had to get a QB--so why not go with the guy who has the physical attributes you cannot teach.  Now McDermott -- tell your "O" staff to swallow some pride and bring in help.

 

Even if it doesn't work -- I for one will not crucify Beane and McDermott.  They are the first in 20 years to give this a real try.

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