RD1, Pick 7: Josh Allen QB - Wyoming

[Rufridr101]

Sam darnold is meh baker Mayfield isn't Russell Wilson or drew brees Russell is off the charts scrambler and arm strength drew brees plays in a dome Josh Rosen is a snow flake and will not be able to take a hit at least in Arizona the weather conditions will help him  I wonder what his teammates are thinking Josh Allen is made for the nfl he is used to throwing into tight windows and never complained about the talent around him when training camp starts and people here football's whistling through the air people are gonna freak out his intangibles are off the charts why does he throw passes he shouldn't because he can 

[Buffalo Barbarian]

So the nubes  currently on WGR are constantly stating Allen can't read defenses. However haven't heard this anywhere else, is there any legitimacy to this?

 

 

[WMDman]

Just now, Buffalo Barbarian said:

So the nubes  currently on WGR are constantly stating Allen can't read defenses. However haven't heard this anywhere else, is there any legitimacy to this?

 

 

I think he goes through progressions fairly well

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Just now, WMDman said:

I think he goes through progressions fairly well

 

That was my thought as well

 

 

[WMDman]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

 

That was my thought as well

 

 

I will concede that sometimes he makes the wrong decision but I wouldnt go as far as to say its not something he could improve on

[Buffalo Barbarian]

1 minute ago, WMDman said:

I will concede that sometimes he makes the wrong decision but I wouldnt go as far as to say its not something he could improve on

 

those guys were like Allen  is just not smart enough to ever be able too.

 

 

[Fixxxer]

Trent Dilfer and the science guy love this kid. I hope Pegula, Beane and McD follow Dilfer's advice of keeping this kid learning on the sidelines for at least a year. Don't rush him into the field. 

 

I hope this works out. 

[stuvian]

After the drought and decade of fail we were all seeking a feeling of certainty with a QB pick this high. The other top prospects came from football factories and competed against division 1 talent. I too was disappointed when I heard Allen's name called.

 

Rosen, Mayfield and Darnold all look like more finished products. They also look like their best football might be in their past, not their future. Not so with Allen.You can see the talent, desire and football IQ in his clips.It's raw and unrefined but its there. He's also the most mobile of the top 4. 

 

Our front office has not suffered through our nearly twenty years of failure. They are not playing it safe. They are going for greatness with the Allen pick and the chance for greatness is there. They aren't beaten down like we are in our masochistic fandom of this team.

 

I share all the same reservations about accuracy and the technical parts of the game but I also see the seeds of greatness. The other prospects look more like technicians in comparison.

 

I listened to Beane's interview after the pick and came away greatly impressed. He is not hanging his career on playing it safe. He's going for all the marbles and that's a journey I am going to follow him on. 

 

This from a guy who wanted Lamar Jackson.

[Billsflyer12]

History and data show that of the 38 QB drafted between 2010-2017 that have thrown at least 300 NFL passes, NONE of them have exceeded their college success rate in their 1st 4 years in the pros. (1ST 4 years used as that is their rookie contract length). In other words their college numbers are their ceiling.

 

https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2018/4/5/17046116/2018-nfl-draft-quarterbacks-josh-allen-sam-darnold-projections-hype

[Carter]

They picked the wrong josh!!

 

Smh at the same old Bills.

 

Disappointing as usual. 

Edited April 28, 2018 by Carter

[transplantbillsfan]

Weird... don't know why the hell someone merged another thread with this one, left my post as the 1st post, gave me moderation privileges but changed the thread title to the one that merged into it.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

If only they merged all of Allen  redundant threads it would be easier to converse as a community 

Edited April 28, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[jkirchofer]

Now that it has been a few days, I actually like the pick and think Allen will be a franchise quarterback. The kid is humble, has worked his tail off up to the draft, and has said all of the right things. Beane made the right pick hands down. 

[Putin]

22 minutes ago, Carter said:

They picked the wrong josh!!

 

Smh at the same old Bills.

 

Disappointing as usual. 

Buffalo Bills is a professional football club not a Democratic Party 

[BillsGuru4]

Allen is tailor made for Buffalo and I love him. I wouldn’t have been ok with Rosen. Allen and Darnold were the only two I wanted. GO BILLS

[Lfod]

25 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Weird... don't know why the hell someone merged another thread with this one, left my post as the 1st post, gave me moderation privileges but changed the thread title to the one that merged into it.

Yea I don't understand why they Merged that nonsense into your thread. Deleting the other thread would of been better choice. 

 

I call the other thread nonsense because of the approach the person had. Very combative. 

Edited April 28, 2018 by Lfod

[GoBills808]

35 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said:

Weird... don't know why the hell someone merged another thread with this one, left my post as the 1st post, gave me moderation privileges but changed the thread title to the one that merged into it.

Just popping in to say how nice it's going to be when you and I can both be optimistic about the same QB. Going to miss those 5-page obscure statistical back and forths.

[Carter]

33 minutes ago, Putin said:

Buffalo Bills is a professional football club not a Democratic Party 

Random comment from the Russian Cosmotroll. 

 

Trumpski still butthurt he didn’t get the privilege to purchase our team?

 

 

[Keukasmallie]

I plan to revisit this thread in about three years when we'll have some perspective on Josh Allen; until then it's just so much guesswork and listening to one's self spew words.

[Putin]

1 minute ago, Carter said:

Random comment from the Russian Cosmotroll. 

 

Trumpski still butthurt he didn’t get the privilege to purchase our team?

 

 

 I’m not the one complaining about the Josh Allen pick , 

talking about butt hurt , put some more ice and STFU 

 

[Carter]

4 minutes ago, Putin said:

 I’m not the one complaining about the Josh Allen pick , 

talking about butt hurt , put some more ice and STFU 

 

And another from left field. You’re really batting .1000. Today and kinda making sense. 

 

Lets try to stay on topic. 

 

Not Bad for a second language.  

 

$3.50 for the Cosmotroll 

 

 

 

Edited April 28, 2018 by Carter

[Putin]

3 minutes ago, Carter said:

And another from left field. You’re really batting .1000. Today and kinda making sense. 

 

Lets try to stay on topic and off politics. 

 

Not Bad for a second language.  

 

$3.50 for the Cosmotroll 

 

 

 

Second language? No your wrong again keep going can you count to 5 ? 

 

[Carter]

1 minute ago, Putin said:

Second language? No your wrong again keep going can you count to 5 ? 

 

Ok Putin sure thing, дружище. 

Stick to the script and your objectives, youre starting to stray a bit. 

[Putin]

Just now, Carter said:

Ok Putin sure thing, дружище. 

Stick to the script and your objectives, youre starting to stray a bit. 

Spasiba ?

[No Cease Fires]

I hated this pick as much as anyone. But I suggest that people just watch a random game of Allen's and see what they think. Because he is not the guy I was expecting based on all the inaccuracy talk. Yes, he misses some easy throws. But he's mostly money on intermediate to long throws. And they're not all fastballs! That's the other thing that was drilled into my head about this guy: no touch or arc to any of his throws. Again, not true. At times he throws it too hard, yes, but not all the time. I guess I was expecting a guy who can't hit the broadside of the barn on tape but misses with great velocity. And again that's just not true.

 

I don't know, I got so worked up over his inaccuracy that I was expecting his tape to be an absolute disaster. I'm sure there are others here like me who have the same perception. So all I can say is: watch some random games. Might help you chill out a bit. I know it did me. I saw a guy who was running for his life and throwing seeds on the move, and who, when he had time, was pretty accurate. I know, I'm shocked too. 

 

To me the best sign is that 2017 was his off year but to my eyes his mechanics improved from the year prior. Better timing, fewer late throws. Yes, there's always a couple throws per game that really make me facepalm, but then he'll hit on a couple throws that I see very few other QBs completing. I still have my doubts, the bust potential is there, but he was hardly a trainwreck, and with his smarts I could see him learning to be a pretty good QB.

 

I'll say it, damn it: I'm excited to see what Josh Allen can do. 

[HappyDays]

 

[Billsflyer12]

25 minutes ago, No Cease Fires said:

I hated this pick as much as anyone. But I suggest that people just watch a random game of Allen's and see what they think. Because he is not the guy I was expecting based on all the inaccuracy talk. Yes, he misses some easy throws. But he's mostly money on intermediate to long throws. And they're not all fastballs! That's the other thing that was drilled into my head about this guy: no touch or arc to any of his throws. Again, not true. At times he throws it too hard, yes, but not all the time. I guess I was expecting a guy who can't hit the broadside of the barn on tape but misses with great velocity. And again that's just not true.

 

I don't know, I got so worked up over his inaccuracy that I was expecting his tape to be an absolute disaster. I'm sure there are others here like me who have the same perception. So all I can say is: watch some random games. Might help you chill out a bit. I know it did me. I saw a guy who was running for his life and throwing seeds on the move, and who, when he had time, was pretty accurate. I know, I'm shocked too. 

 

To me the best sign is that 2017 was his off year but to my eyes his mechanics improved from the year prior. Better timing, fewer late throws. Yes, there's always a couple throws per game that really make me facepalm, but then he'll hit on a couple throws that I see very few other QBs completing. I still have my doubts, the bust potential is there, but he was hardly a trainwreck, and with his smarts I could see him learning to be a pretty good QB.

 

I'll say it, damn it: I'm excited to see what Josh Allen can do. 

 

[No Cease Fires]

5 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

 

 

Fair enough. I wasn't comparing him to anyone else, though. Just saying that from watching the games he seemed pretty on the mark with his intermediate throws. And 60 percent ain't bad. Also, he was throwing deep a lot. Like a lot a lot. So it's understandable that the actual percentage of those completions was low.

[transplantbillsfan]

1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:

Just popping in to say how nice it's going to be when you and I can both be optimistic about the same QB. Going to miss those 5-page obscure statistical back and forths.

 

2 hours ago, jkirchofer said:

Now that it has been a few days, I actually like the pick and think Allen will be a franchise quarterback. The kid is humble, has worked his tail off up to the draft, and has said all of the right things. Beane made the right pick hands down. 

 

How I feel, too.

 

I still would have preferred Mayfield or Darnold because I think they're, more sure things, but I'm no longer upset we didn't pick the outspoken spoiled brat, even though I was initially.

 

Rosen really turned me off in his interviews after being drafted.

 

 

Allen's story looks special and looks like a truly unique case. There hasn't been a Project QB like him drafted in the 1st or 2nd round who's gone onto be a true Franchise QB since Favre. But it really looks like the kid was just a late bloomer and his story tells me he's got the natural chip on his shoulder.

[transplantbillsfan]

54 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

Wow... is Allen the favorite to win the starting job week 1? Dude's got the football acumen... it all seems to be a question of how much he's cleaned up his mechanics.

 

Man, if Allen plays right away and plays well, Jordan Palmer is going to have a busy and lucrative career working as a guru for a position he could never play himself. Impressive.

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Need4speed12000]

On 2018-04-26 at 9:47 PM, jrober38 said:

Disaster. 

 

Mediocre college QBs have no history of success in the NFL over the past 20 years. 

 

You can't teach an inaccurate QB how to throw accurately at the NFL level. 

Well I would love to see you tell Brett Favre  that who incidentally only had a 52% pass completion in college......

People keep knocking this guy for his accuracy during college. He didn’t have the best receivers in the world on his team so cut him some slack. If you want to compare college stats, let me just point you to Brett Favre who had a measly 52% pass completion during his college years and look what he did in the nfl. Don’t write this kid off just yet. Sure he needs some work and experience in the nfl. But I guarantee this kid will blossom into something really special. Something we have been waiting for since Kelly retired.....

Edited April 29, 2018 by Need4speed12000

[Bangarang]

28 minutes ago, Need4speed12000 said:

Well I would love to see you tell Brett Favre  that who incidentally only had a 52% pass completion in college......

People keep knocking this guy for his accuracy during college. He didn’t have the best receivers in the world on his team so cut him some slack. If you want to compare college stats, let me just point you to Brett Favre who had a measly 52% pass completion during his college years and look what he did in the nfl. Don’t write this kid off just yet. Sure he needs some work and experience in the nfl. But I guarantee this kid will blossom into something really special. Something we have been waiting for since Kelly retired.....

 

People should stop comparing Allen’s completion percentage in college to Favre’s. It’s silly.

[Need4speed12000]

12 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

People should stop comparing Allen’s completion percentage in college to Favre’s. It’s silly.

No silly is saying a qb is garbage because of college stats period.......both Favre and Brady both had mediocre at best in yards, percentage, and tds.........doesn’t mean they are gonna be crap, which is my point here......

[The Virginian]

13 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

 

People should stop comparing Allen’s completion percentage in college to Favre’s. It’s silly.

I don't see why not, especially if a lot of people are banging on the 56 percent completion stat as a sure sign he's going to fail. 

[Billsflyer12]

2 minutes ago, Need4speed12000 said:

No silly is saying a qb is garbage because of college stats period.......both Favre and Brady both had mediocre at best in yards, percentage, and tds.........doesn’t mean they are gonna be crap, which is my point here......

So how then are we suppose to judge college QBs?

[SWATeam]

3 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

So how then are we suppose to judge college QBs?

I do it with my eyeballs

[78thealltimegreat]

At Wyoming the last two years he played with only two drafted NFL players he’s got some work to do but man to say Wyoming had no talent compared to the schools of the other qb prospects is an understatement 

[Billsflyer12]

8 minutes ago, SWATeam said:

I do it with my eyeballs

Your eyeballs told you that Allen was a better QB then Rosen or even Jackson?

[Need4speed12000]

12 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

So how then are we suppose to judge college QBs?

From what they do on the field in the nfl. Your just seeing their mechanics, leadership, drive to win, situational plays, etc from college. We all know the nfl is another level and it’s taught by the coaches and veterans. You don’t become a race car driver just because you got your license, you learn to drive. Throw him at the helm, and you will see what Allen can really do for the Bills.....