BuffaloBud420 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Mark it down. All you guys bashing him on here either don't know football or have some sort of Napoleon complex. 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 He won't. They won't be able to fix his accuracy issues. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 " Is this a lug wrench ? Maybe " I hope your right . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Maybe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elltrain22 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Won't be surprised. I've watched alot of Allen and I think he's raw, but he's got one of the best arm's I've ever seen. If he played in an Uptempo type offense like Oklahoma, he'd be 60% QB and we'd never have this complex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drf1835 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 I agree. I orginally wanted Mayfield, but changed my mind. Other qbs are too risky, in my mind.. Allen has rhe most upside. He is strong, smart, mobile and accuracy will improve, after a year of two of learning and practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 minute ago, drf1835 said: I agree. I orginally wanted Mayfield, but changed my mind. Other qbs are too risky, in my mind.. Allen has rhe most upside. He is strong, smart, mobile and accuracy will improve, after a year of two of learning and practice. Allen is certainly not the least risky. I like him, but it's a gamble. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
george c Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 I’m with you on this. This guy could develop into a monster. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Just now, Dr. Who said: Allen is certainly not the least risky. I like him, but it's a gamble. so he is pretty risky though for top 3-5 qb ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Kelly Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 9 minutes ago, Doc said: He won't. They won't be able to fix his accuracy issues. I find it funny how everyone keeps on the accuracy issues. The kid had bad receivers. If you bother to look at the highlights, his receivers dropped a lot. The placement is what should be considered. A lot of those drops were right in position to be caught. He had 1 decent receiver out of 4. Plus he was down a starting center and RB. This guy can run, throw, anticipate and most importantly see over the center. Mayfield is Short and will have problems. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, George C said: I’m with you on this. This guy could develop into a monster. Are Bills the right team of Coaching to do that though ? Just now, Bring Back Kelly said: I find it funny how everyone keeps on the accuracy issues. The kid had bad receivers. If you bother to look at the highlights, his receivers dropped a lot. The placement is what should be considered. A lot of those drops were right in position to be caught. He had 1 decent receiver out of 4. Plus he was down a starting center and RB. This guy can run, throw, anticipate and most importantly see over the center. Mayfield is Short and will have problems. seeing over the center is your basis ? /S Edited April 14, 2018 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Just now, 3rdand12 said: so he is pretty risky though for top 3-5 qb ? I think he is, but he also has a high ceiling. Have to trust your team's evaluation, whatever it is; in general, I'd rather try for the fella that could be exceptional than go for a fairly certain mediocrity. A really good player with a higher floor would be preferable, though, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 I'm sure even those NFL scouts/teams that LOVE Josh Allen can clearly see he needs work on his mechanics and accuracy. They are just more confident in their ability to fix his weak points. If it's the Bills, I hope they are right. It's not necessarily about about those who "know football" versus those who don't. Every college prospect has flaws, and areas of their game which must be improved at the pro level. This goes especially for Quarterbacks. Personally, I would rather take the chance on a guy who has issues with decision-making (Sam Darnold) or a weird personality (Josh Rosen), than a guy who needs to re-learn how to throw a football. I don't consider the ability to toss 80 yard bombs essential to the QB position. But at the end of the day, Darnold could end up being the reincarnation of Jay Cutler and Rosen could end up being a locker room cancer - while Allen turns himself into a Pro-Bowler. Nobody really knows. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 All Allen needs is a pair of these glasses. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve O Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 I've had enough of QB's with accuracy issues "...Area code accuracy -- short throws are often low or wide, preventing receivers from making a play after the catch. Deep ball accuracy is uneven as well..." http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/ej-manuel?id=2539228 That being said, EJ may have been the best quarterback to come out of the 2013 draft 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midwest1981 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 13 minutes ago, Bring Back Kelly said: I find it funny how everyone keeps on the accuracy issues. The kid had bad receivers. If you bother to look at the highlights, his receivers dropped a lot. The placement is what should be considered. A lot of those drops were right in position to be caught. He had 1 decent receiver out of 4. Plus he was down a starting center and RB. This guy can run, throw, anticipate and most importantly see over the center. Mayfield is Short and will have problems. Allen had a significantly superior supporting cast in 2016 (including a couple of 2017 draft picks in Brian Hill and Chase Roullier) and his completion percentage was actually lower that year at 56.0% (compared to 56.3% this past fall). Allen also was 58th out of 59 qualifying QB’s in completion percentage at the JUCO level in 2014 and completed just 49.0% at Reeding. His accuracy issues aren’t hopeless but they’re not manufactured, either, and need vast improvement. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 So is his upside advantage over the other top prospects really worth the risk? If there is an upside advantage. It would be stupid to trade up for it IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 14 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: I think he is, but he also has a high ceiling. Have to trust your team's evaluation, whatever it is; in general, I'd rather try for the fella that could be exceptional than go for a fairly certain mediocrity. A really good player with a higher floor would be preferable, though, imo. i do agree. This year we have to trust the FO and the scouting Team Beane has in place Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 For an interesting take on Josh Allen watch this... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring Back Kelly Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 37 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said: Are Bills the right team of Coaching to do that though ? seeing over the center is your basis ? /S Not always. Lol. But I listed the others already. Mayfield is the next Doug Flutie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Murica Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 I want to throw something at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 57 minutes ago, BuffaloBud420 said: Mark it down. All you guys bashing him on here either don't know football or have some sort of Napoleon complex. My favorite part is where you provided no explanation or elaboration whatsoever and then proceeded to question everyone's football knowledge and insult them. Quality post. 10/10. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) i wouldn't mind allen behind mc carron for 1-2 years and trust the fo on this.....but would i trade my farm to go to 4 for him?....no Edited April 14, 2018 by billsredneck1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 No, he won’t. He’s going to get someone fired. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, BuffaloBud420 said: Mark it down. All you guys bashing him on here either don't know football or have some sort of Napoleon complex. I'm sure that's also true of all the scouts and draft pundits outside of this board who have pointed out flaws in his game too. They are all shrimps who know nothing. Whatcha gonna do. 1 hour ago, drf1835 said: I agree. I orginally wanted Mayfield, but changed my mind. Other qbs are too risky, in my mind.. Allen has rhe most upside. He is strong, smart, mobile and accuracy will improve, after a year of two of learning and practice. Now I'm so confused. I remember from the Fitzy days and then EJ that QB accuracy just can't be improved. Who to believe, who to believe now? Edited April 14, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 hour ago, Doc said: He won't. They won't be able to fix his accuracy issues. You know who else wasn’t all that accurate in college but was much more accurate in the NFL? Jim Kelly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffaloBud420 said: Mark it down. All you guys bashing him on here either don't know football or have some sort of Napoleon complex. I'm in the minority which thinks accuracy can be improved. But the whole "stare at the guy I'm going to throw it to" thing is what's gonna make me say he'll suck ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Just now, stony said: I'm in the minority which thinks accuracy can be improved. But the whole "stare at the guy I'm going to throw it to" thing is what's gonna make me say he'll suck ass. Brett Favre did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 minute ago, Binghamton Beast said: You know who else wasn’t all that accurate in college but was much more accurate in the NFL? Jim Kelly. 35 years ago. I wonder if football has changed at all since then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Brett Favre did. Cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Just now, Logic said: 35 years ago. I wonder if football has changed at all since then? I don’t know. Throwing the ball is throwing the ball. John Elway was much more accurate in college than Kelly was. In fact, Elway was much more accurate in college than he was in the NFL. As well, though Elway was way more accurate than Kelly in college, Kelly was more accurate in the pros. We just have no idea what Allen’s circumstances were in college and what they will be in the NFL.Anyone that says you can’t fix accuracy may not know all of what surrounded those issues in Wyoming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 4 minutes ago, stony said: Cool Dorsey was in GB when Favre was there. That could explain the interest in Allen who is raw just as Favre was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloTX Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffaloBud420 said: Mark it down. All you guys bashing him on here either don't know football or have some sort of Napoleon complex. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17 Josh Allen Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 I'm on Record saying that the 3 QB's that will not bust in this draft class are Allen, Mayfield and Rudolph. I will be happy with any of these 3 players. I feel when it's all said and done that these 3 will be game breakers. I get that feeling and sense Allen has hall of fame talent. We are in for one hell of a ride. I always felt Allen was the target and I feel that's who the Bills would move up for, if they get a trade partner. I know some on this board don't believe in Allen and that's ok. Will see what happens over the years. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Great. Let another team find that out for themselves. Il take my chance with almost any other qb. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 People say, "My God! His arm is so strong! It's like Matt Stafford's!" Yeah, well what has f-ing Matt Stafford ever done for anyone? You wanna draft Matt Stafford? Me neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 1 hour ago, BuffaloBud420 said: Mark it down. All you guys bashing him on here either don't know football or have some sort of Napoleon complex. On a day where Incognito trolled Twitter and Sammy Watkins professed he was some kind of alien lizard hybrid....this is STILL the worst take of the day. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 Napoleon complex because someone doesn't want or like a QB? Man the level over utter stupidity on this board never ceases to amaze me. So based on your assessment, 100% of the people who don't like Allen fall into only two categories: A) Are ignorant of football in every way. They have no ability to even form a rational thought much less assess something related to a QB or B) Short and somehow that shortness has resulted in socially aggressive behavior related to John Allen that the person hopes compensates for their shortness. The goal here is by bashing Josh Allen, in most cases anonymously on a forum, that person feels better about themselves. Further, within this assessment is the implication that the ignorance could be overcome with more research and analysis of QBs historically and by conducting such an analysis, the only logical conclusion, one now properly educated poster, could arrive at is the massive deficiencies in Mr. Allen's game can be overcome in the pro game where the game is faster, more complex, and with players of higher quality. This is because, seemingly, the track record of every inaccurate, bad mechanics, strong armed QB is they get better and become eventual Pro Bowl, All Pro, Super Bowl winner. Got it. Thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian Bills Fan Posted April 14, 2018 Share Posted April 14, 2018 This thread is so original and fresh I'm going to pin it so it always stays on top of the page 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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