26CornerBlitz Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Very interesting trend here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Very interesting trend here. This isn’t surprising. Teams are using these quick passes as a substitute for the run game. It’s a good trend. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Very interesting trend here. Yeah meaning accuracy and ball placement and quick at the line diagnosis means more than pure Arm Strength 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Yeah meaning accuracy and ball placement and quick at the line diagnosis means more than pure Arm Strength Exactly the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Essentially long handoffs to guys in space. Makes sense, since the only important ingredient is a fairly accurate QB. No need to pay big dollars for WRs, as the Patriots have proven... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Yeah meaning accuracy and ball placement and quick at the line diagnosis means more than pure Arm Strength Ergo Lamar Jackson will fail. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Ergo Lamar Jackson will fail. Same with Josh JP Allen 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Just now, MAJBobby said: Same with Josh JP Allen Ergo the premium value of Josh Rosen... 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Very interesting trend here. Everyone is copying the Patriots pick and roll offense that they don't get pentalized for. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Lurker said: Ergo the premium value of Josh Rosen... Yep. Get to two and get Rosen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Yeah meaning accuracy and ball placement and quick at the line diagnosis means more than pure Arm Strength Yup. You don't win games just by chucking the ball as far as your arm allows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Baker Mayfield will absolutely kill it in this league. He will be the best of the bunch with how you win the NFL in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 IMO it's because offensive linemen can't practice during the offseason because of ridiculous collective bargaining rules. Pass pro sucks now, and QBs are too valuable of assets to risk severe injury in a seven-step drop offense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said: IMO it's because offensive linemen can't practice during the offseason because of ridiculous collective bargaining rules. Pass pro sucks now, and QBs are too valuable of assets to risk severe injury in a seven-step drop offense. Unless you're Norv Turner 14 minutes ago, Lurker said: Ergo the premium value of Josh Rosen... Games get won between the ears now. I know it's old hat to bang on about Tom Brady and all but his pre-snap reads and knowing when to "unintentionally ground" the ball at his WR's feet is a fine art. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dkollidas Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 24 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Very interesting trend here. So... more “spread”ing of the field? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 17 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Yep. Get to two and get Rosen Wow, why didn't anyone else think of this? What if maybe, just maybe the NYG don't want to move that far back, or even at all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 29 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Yeah meaning accuracy and ball placement and quick at the line diagnosis means more than pure Arm Strength Damnit, I just fell head over heels with the arm arrogance attribute... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 A whopping decrease of .44 yards per throw over the course of 7 years. I don't think this proves anything. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, Dkollidas said: So... more “spread”ing of the field? Its why the key is good “ball placement” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 By posting these numbers, I think what you're saying is that we need to finally sit down and have a real discussion about the merits of drafting or not drafting Mason Rudolph. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 43 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: This isn’t surprising. Teams are using these quick passes as a substitute for the run game. It’s a good trend. It's the pro game influenced by the college spread passing game. This type of passing game favors a qb such as Mayfield, and to a lesser extent Rudolph, who are both familiar with it because of their college exposure. I know you are not a Rudolph fan as much as I am but I can see the Bills standing pat if they can't work out a reasonable deal to move up. Their fall back position could be to select a qb such as Rudolph with our second first round pick. He falls within Beane's profile of a qb who has the required physical attributes and he can make plays in the pocket. If you get a chance watch the game between Oklahoma and OKState. Mayfield and Rudolph went toe to toe although Mayfield was the better finisher at the end of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 So Tyrod became a started in the league in 2015 8.17 down to 8.07 Coincidence? I think not.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 29 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: A whopping decrease of .44 yards per throw over the course of 7 years. I don't think this proves anything. #advancedstatz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: So Tyrod became a started in the league in 2015 8.17 down to 8.07 Coincidence? I think not.... Counting QBs that started at least half the season, Tyrod ranked: 2016: 3rd 2017: 11th 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) 56 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: A whopping decrease of .44 yards per throw over the course of 7 years. I don't think this proves anything. That is statistically significant though. If you look at 2016: https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/quarterback-air-yards/2016/ Tyrod was 16th in air yards per attempt. If you add .44 AYPA he would be ranked 10th. If you take away .44 AYPA he would be ranked last among starting QBs. So the league-wide decrease has changed the baseline average by a significant amount. You can't look at it as "only" 0.44 yards. At the pro level granular changes have very large in-game effects. Edited March 19, 2018 by HappyDays 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Very interesting trend here. I think there’s a lot more that needs to come into play here for a real discussion. We are talking a decrease of less than 16 inches and starting at 2012 is like a 9 inch gap. Obviously methodology needs explanation... but also things like how the spread on distance actually breaks down by ranges before making assessments. 8 minutes ago, HappyDays said: That is statistically significant though. If you look at 2016: https://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/quarterback-air-yards/2016/ Tyrod was 16th in air yards per attempt. If you add .44 AYPA he would be ranked 10th. If you take away .44 AYPA he would be ranked last among starting QBs. So the league-wide decrease has changed the baseline average by a significant amount. You can't look at it as "only" 0.44 yards. At the pro level granular changes have very large in-game effects. Agreed but at, say, 35-ish passes a game... where those 15 air yards went can be as subtle as 1 screen pass instead of a throw at the in the mid range for instance. Or using the one year shorter window it’s like 9 yards a game different in the air. Which effects outcomes but is it a drastic change in the structure of Nfl offenses? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Well there’s a news flash. The QB position has been getting poorer and poorer because of the way colleges play. So I say. Thanks captain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: By posting these numbers, I think what you're saying is that we need to finally sit down and have a real discussion about the merits of drafting or not drafting Mason Rudolph. kinda what i was thinking. i keep hearing that his strengths are the short to intermediate throws. i guess it comes down to exactly how strong these strengths are, and how limiting are the weaknesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 19, 2018 Author Share Posted March 19, 2018 3 minutes ago, swnybillsfan said: kinda what i was thinking. i keep hearing that his strengths are the short to intermediate throws. i guess it comes down to exactly how strong these strengths are, and how limiting are the weaknesses. Short to intermediate throws are not his demonstrated strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) Can’t you get behind any Bills QB not named Tyrod CB26? every name that is thrown out there you find something negative to say about the guy and hardly ever a compliment. Edited March 19, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 hours ago, Blokestradamus said: Unless you're Norv Turner Games get won between the ears now. I know it's old hat to bang on about Tom Brady and all but his pre-snap reads and knowing when to "unintentionally ground" the ball at his WR's feet is a fine art. Games have always been won between the ears. I could argue moreso in past eras when QBs called their own plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 45 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Well there’s a news flash. The QB position has been getting poorer and poorer because of the way colleges play. So I say. Thanks captain This kindof goes with my line of thinking. The "franchise QB" thing is a dieing breed. All of the real ones are well north of 30 like Brady, Big Ben, Brees, Ryan, Rivers (if he even is one with all the losing), Eli, Flaco, ... Under the age of 30 there are only 3. Luck (if his health holds out), Cam Newton, and Russell Wilson. All three of these are 29 and will be north of 30 this year. I like you think the style of college football now, spread offenses with QBs throwing to wide open WRs doesn't translate well to NFL. Where are the new ones going to come from if any do? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBill Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Very interesting trend here. Does less than a half yard really matter that much? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 Reactions: 1. Coach Tueaday is spot on when he says inferior OL caused by the CBA has played its part in this. 2. It is why accuracy always, always trumps arm strength. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 I'm curious to see what YAC stats are over this time span. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 17 minutes ago, BuffaloBill said: Does less than a half yard really matter that much? Apparently to Jaws it does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swnybillsfan Posted March 19, 2018 Share Posted March 19, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Short to intermediate throws are not his demonstrated strength. i thought i read that in one of the mason rudolph posts. or one of the other qb posts. i have no idea which one. i could very well be wrong. i rely completely on second hand information as i don't watch college football. this is why i get talked into and out of several different QBs during the offseason. i know you do not care for rudolph, is there any redeaming quality to this guy? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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