Rockinon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: .take the guy that comes with a warranty, money back guarantee and return of your draft pick if he busts......simple..... This thread just keeps getting better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MrEpsYtown Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, /dev/null said: Ooooh ooooh oooooh Mr Kotter!!! Mr Kotter!!! Can we trade for Christian Hackeberg now! Kidding, I'm kidding. Please don't start throwing stuff at me Hey he was a five star recruit too! Edited March 17, 2018 by MrEpsYtown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, Playoffs? said: The Browns are licking their chops right now! They’re going to end up with a stud QB and Barkley! Almost guaranteed now... If the Bills move to 2, sure. I can see the Giants taking Barkley at 2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Is this the part where we try to convince ourselves none of these guys are worth trading up for since another team beat us to it? This is were we are told this is a bad QB class and next year is better. Edited March 17, 2018 by Real McCoy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, Bangarang said: Is this the part where we try to convince ourselves none of these guys are worth trading up for since another team beat us to it? Bingo. I do enjoy the narrative. "No clear cut guy" as if these guys are all rubbish, instead of the reality that GMs and fans have been drooling over this QB class for years. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: The only way I see us getting to #2 is basically a 3 team trade where the Giants fall to #4 / #6 / #7 and we basically pay for 2 moves up the board. I don't think the Giants are going to punt out of the tier of prospects they are looking at with #2 all the way down to #12, and I think it's too risky for us to do in two separate transactions. I concur... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaninATL Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 31 minutes ago, Manther said: I think #2 just got more expensive! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: And chances are they’d have gotten the guy they wanted at 6 anyway. This was a precautionary move to prevent someone from trading ahead of them at 4 or 5. I doubt the Giants, Colts, Broncos are taking QB’s that high. Some team out of the top 10 could have moved up. Jets gave up a lot to potentially maybe stop a team from taking their guy. I also think we may have wanted this to happen - it makes a trade with the Giants much easier if as I suspect the want Nelson.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Unbelievable. What's the most interesting is seeing the Jets move to #3 and not #2. This tells me a few things. Either: a) The Giants pick is not for sale. b) The Giants already have a better offer on the table c) The Giants asking price is way too high My hope when Beane moved us to #12 was that he already had a concrete deal in place to go up into the Top 3. Like I said earlier in the week, sitting at #12 was not going to be high enough. And waiting until Draft Day to make a move was just inviting other teams to jump up instead. I've been very impressed with how Beane has manipulated our draft position up until this point. And maybe there is something on the table that we are unaware of. But unfortunately, there is a very good chance that he was too tentative to pull the trigger, and we just missed out big time. If it wasn't already clear that Cleveland is taking a QB, this move pretty much cements it. They can't wait until Pick #4. If the New York Giants are unwilling to move from #2, there is a very high probability they are also after a QB. The Jets are obviously taking a QB. If anyone thinks Denver is going to pass on a QB they want just because they gave Case Keenum a 2-year contract, they are totally fooling themselves. And then you have Miami and Arizona sandwiching us. Forget waiting for the leftovers at #12. We could end up being FORCED to give up a king's ransom, just to get the leftovers. Walking out of this draft without our Quarterback of the future would be the biggest failure to befall this team has seen in years. Beane put all of his eggs into the 2018 basket. Besides trading down in last year's draft, we also traded away several players to obtain extra picks. Not only does next year's QB class look significantly weaker, but we won't have anywhere near the draft capital to move up. We won't have high-priced veterans to use as bait for extra picks. Our best hope then becomes totally bottoming out for 1-2 seasons, or relying on a mid-round project or veteran cast-off. I hope nobody is laughing at the Jets. A few days ago, they looked like the team who missed out on Kirk Cousins AND the team who would be forced to take the scraps off the draft pile. Now that team is us. If they get the right guy under center, it will totally transform that franchise. They won't miss any of the picks they gave up to land him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, papazoid said: Optimist: doesn't matter, Beane is a genius Pessimist: we're doooomed I have to be an optimist. Its the only way I can be watching this team. I don't know how you could be a Bills fan if you were a pessimist. You would need to be on Prozac to survive the football season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: This is why I started the thread wondering why people thought teams were just going to stand by helplessly as the Bills tried to climb over them. First crisis for Beane as GM. Intrigue. Competition between division rivals. Love it. Been very easy selling the fan base on controversial moves to this point.......they've all been propped up and qualified with the notion that they are going to lead to the Bills getting their franchise QB in the draft. But with McD having passed on Watson and Mahomes last year.........Beane is really in a must-score situation wrt drafting a top QB prospect for his HC. I know there are a few screwballs on here who think otherwise..........there have always been a group that always want to kick the can down the road..........but the time is now. Luckily the Giants pick is still potentially available. That was always the big edge the Bills have had.......the Jets are most desperate for a QB and the Giants simply can't trade with their in-stadium rival. Bills might have to climb to Tampa's pick........then climb again to #2..........but they can do it. If they take their shot and miss..........it won't be pretty but the fanbase and ownership will be somewhat understanding and if they can withstand that and maintain some level of competitiveness they might get another kick at it in 2020.............but if they pull a Donahoe and get a guy outside of the premium group(top 4 or 5 this year).......and that kid misses and they don't WIN.........no forgiveness! Someone else gets to draft and develop the 2020 draft QB. This is the way it should be! I never wanted #3 in the first place. Earn it Bills! It is not a crises. Too many people go way over the top. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
napmaster Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 11 minutes ago, billykay said: 3 - 2nds for their guy. Doesn't seem like a heck of a lot to me. The #6 pick plus 3 #2s (and not late second round picks like the Bills have, but early ones - as I would imaging their 2nd next year will be in the 30s). No guarantee they get their guy - they didn't move to #1. As others have pointed out the Jets must have 3 QBs they are targeting. They may have to settle for their 3rd guy, which makes what they gave up seem awfully high. Time will tell. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rockinon said: This thread just keeps getting better. ....my apology....couldn't resist.......there are double lines forming on the Peace Bridge and 172 ambulances have been dispatched in WNY to treat "Blue Bawls" from bunched nylons......could be an epidemic shortly.....stay tuned........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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MrEpsYtown Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, mjt328 said: Unbelievable. What's the most interesting is seeing the Jets move to #3 and not #2. This tells me a few things. Either: a) The Giants pick is not for sale. b) The Giants already have a better offer on the table c) The Giants asking price is way too high My hope when Beane moved us to #12 was that he already had a concrete deal in place to go up into the Top 3. Like I said earlier in the week, sitting at #12 was not going to be high enough. And waiting until Draft Day to make a move was just inviting other teams to jump up instead. I've been very impressed with how Beane has manipulated our draft position up until this point. And maybe there is something on the table that we are unaware of. But unfortunately, there is a very good chance that he was too tentative to pull the trigger, and we just missed out big time. If it wasn't already clear that Cleveland is taking a QB, this move pretty much cements it. They can't wait until Pick #4. If the New York Giants are unwilling to move from #2, there is a very high probability they are also after a QB. The Jets are obviously taking a QB. If anyone thinks Denver is going to pass on a QB they want just because they gave Case Keenum a 2-year contract, they are totally fooling themselves. And then you have Miami and Arizona sandwiching us. Forget waiting for the leftovers at #12. We could end up being FORCED to give up a king's ransom, just to get the leftovers. Walking out of this draft without our Quarterback of the future would be the biggest failure to befall this team has seen in years. Beane put all of his eggs into the 2018 basket. Besides trading down in last year's draft, we also traded away several players to obtain extra picks. Not only does next year's QB class look significantly weaker, but we won't have anywhere near the draft capital to move up. We won't have high-priced veterans to use as bait for extra picks. Our best hope then becomes totally bottoming out for 1-2 seasons, or relying on a mid-round project or veteran cast-off. I hope nobody is laughing at the Jets. A few days ago, they looked like the team who missed out on Kirk Cousins AND the team who would be forced to take the scraps off the draft pile. Now that team is us. If they get the right guy under center, it will totally transform that franchise. They won't miss any of the picks they gave up to land him. Good post and well thought out. The NY media would kill the Giants if they traded down with the Jets. Either we or someone like the Broncos have a deal in place with them or they are staying put. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Man, it’s hard to think positive right now about this. I don’t see anyway we don’t end up with the 4th best QB tops right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebrastripes Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 4 minutes ago, NewDayBills said: Tom Brady and Ben Roethlisberger immediately come to mind as far as great QBs that were guided along by strong rosters during the developmental phases of their careers early on. Nick Foles and Case Keenum benefitted from strong rosters around them last year and did awesome as well. The year before Brady and Roethlisberger took over as the QB their teams both had losing records. They become starters and take both their teams to the playoffs. The qb position is so highly debatable that no one has a right or wrong answer. I just feel like getting your qb first is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TH3 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 6 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said: Bingo. I do enjoy the narrative. "No clear cut guy" as if these guys are all rubbish, instead of the reality that GMs and fans have been drooling over this QB class for years. Fans and GM s have been talking themselves into this draft for years more like it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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oldmanfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 2 minutes ago, mjt328 said: Unbelievable. What's the most interesting is seeing the Jets move to #3 and not #2. This tells me a few things. Either: a) The Giants pick is not for sale. b) The Giants already have a better offer on the table c) The Giants asking price is way too high My hope when Beane moved us to #12 was that he already had a concrete deal in place to go up into the Top 3. Like I said earlier in the week, sitting at #12 was not going to be high enough. And waiting until Draft Day to make a move was just inviting other teams to jump up instead. I've been very impressed with how Beane has manipulated our draft position up until this point. And maybe there is something on the table that we are unaware of. But unfortunately, there is a very good chance that he was too tentative to pull the trigger, and we just missed out big time. If it wasn't already clear that Cleveland is taking a QB, this move pretty much cements it. They can't wait until Pick #4. If the New York Giants are unwilling to move from #2, there is a very high probability they are also after a QB. The Jets are obviously taking a QB. If anyone thinks Denver is going to pass on a QB they want just because they gave Case Keenum a 2-year contract, they are totally fooling themselves. And then you have Miami and Arizona sandwiching us. Forget waiting for the leftovers at #12. We could end up being FORCED to give up a king's ransom, just to get the leftovers. Walking out of this draft without our Quarterback of the future would be the biggest failure to befall this team has seen in years. Beane put all of his eggs into the 2018 basket. Besides trading down in last year's draft, we also traded away several players to obtain extra picks. Not only does next year's QB class look significantly weaker, but we won't have anywhere near the draft capital to move up. We won't have high-priced veterans to use as bait for extra picks. Our best hope then becomes totally bottoming out for 1-2 seasons, or relying on a mid-round project or veteran cast-off. I hope nobody is laughing at the Jets. A few days ago, they looked like the team who missed out on Kirk Cousins AND the team who would be forced to take the scraps off the draft pile. Now that team is us. If they get the right guy under center, it will totally transform that franchise. They won't miss any of the picks they gave up to land him. IF the Jets get the right guy. IF. Why do so many here think there is a sure fire guy in this draft? IF Beane thinks there is, I suspect he'll go get him. If not and he thinks the six guys at the top are equal then he gets one where he is. No one knows who the best guys will be yet. Clearly none of them are like a Luck or Manning or Elway. Quit assuming they are. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 We are not meant to have nice things... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, McBean said: Man, it’s hard to think positive right now about this. I don’t see anyway we don’t end up with the 4th best QB tops right now. I'd rather them not draft a table-scraps type QB. If you can't get the #2 pick, forget about QB and try to fill all the other holes. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 We’ve essentially been locked out. It will now take the 12th, 22nd, 53, 65, 2019 1st and 3rd to get to #2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Throwing this out there - maybe Beane wanted this to happen to ensure that the Jets have no chance at #2, which he could possibly regard as the real prize? The best the Jets could do now would be to trade the #3 pick and next year's first rounder and this year's #72 pick, , but that'd be all they could offer because realistically they don't anything else. I do realize that the third pick is big, but the Bills have so much more ammo. I wonder if they try to package their two mid-50/ picks to move up to the mid-30s. What would be awesome is if they trade those to the colts for 37 and then use that pick to help jump ahead of the jets! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Fetou said: Something tells me if the Giants were trying to trade out of #2, the Jets would have aimed for that. I have a strong feeling that the Giants are taking a QB. jets might have aimed for it but you have to remember these teams are in competition with each other for fans and the money they bring. The Giants were never going to trade with the Jets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I just don't think it's realistic to go from 12 to 2. If the Giants have been digesting tape of Barkley / Nelson / Chubb / Fitzpatrick for the last couple months, there's no way they move down far enough to the point all of those guys are gone for sure. If the Giants are going QB they aren't moving. I'm also think even Lamar Jackson is gone at 12. Miami is right before us and have been rumored on QBs, it's realistic that 4 QBs go in the top 5. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: ? Then why trade Tyrod for Jesus chest? Because he was as good as he was ever going to get, which is not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, baskingridgebillsfan said: jets might have aimed for it but you have to remember these teams are in competition with each other for fans and the money they bring. The Giants were never going to trade with the Jets Or the Giants want Barkley or Rosen and they will not trade out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, Jamie Muellers Ghost said: Check One move to Checkmate The Bills are in position to get the QB they wanted all along unless ARZ moves up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Couldn’t 4 still be a target for Rosen? 1. Darnold 2. Barkley 3. Mayfield or Allen hopefully 4 Bills can potentially trade with the Browns and get Rosen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: We’ve essentially been locked out. It will now take the 12th, 22nd, 53, 65, 2019 1st and 3rd to get to #2 That's the feeling I have too. It wouldn't shock me to find out we'd been haggling with the Colts over picks to include, we wouldn't pay the price they wanted, the Jets panicked and the Colts know they are basically get the same player at 6 they were looking at with 3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 hour ago, TheTruthHurts said: Not shocked. There was going to be movement. This just shows the Bills either have a deal for 1 or 2, or they aren't as hot to trade up as reports said. Bills could have beaten that deal. Good point. What this shows is that the Bills couldn’t or wouldn’t put up a comparable ransom for pick 3. Indy certainly shopped the pick and had to have given the Bills a chance to match, which would probably have meant 12, 22, both seconds, plus something else. Beane obviously wouldn’t do it and I doubt he’ll pay the Giants’ even higher price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Yep without a trade to 2 the dream is dead. Playoffs were fun but should have tanked hard. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billykay Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 7 minutes ago, napmaster said: The #6 pick plus 3 #2s (and not late second round picks like the Bills have, but early ones - as I would imaging their 2nd next year will be in the 30s). No guarantee they get their guy - they didn't move to #1. As others have pointed out the Jets must have 3 QBs they are targeting. They may have to settle for their 3rd guy, which makes what they gave up seem awfully high. Time will tell. I guess it is how you want to look at it. I look at it as a swap of 1sts, and the price to swap up is the 3- 2nds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 It’s time now to push the chips all in on..... AJ McCarron. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said: I just don't think it's realistic to go from 12 to 2. If the Giants have been digesting tape of Barkley / Nelson / Chubb / Fitzpatrick for the last couple months, there's no way they move down far enough to the point all of those guys are gone for sure. If the Giants are going QB they aren't moving. I'm also think even Lamar Jackson is gone at 12. Miami is right before us and have been rumored on QBs, it's realistic that 4 QBs go in the top 5. Didn't they just do something to Trannyhill's contract? I think they are a dark horse for someone like Falk or Rudolph, not Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Oh, man, that hurts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
/dev/null Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Playoffs were fun but should have tanked hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 17, 2018 Share Posted March 17, 2018 I heard that the top 3 guys didn’t have any teammates at their birthday parties. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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