T-Bomb Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: Why do you guys keep bringing up price as one reason to be cool with a football player, as if you're the one's cutting the checks? I mean, I understand it if your neighbor bought a car and you think "That's a nice car, but I wouldn't pay $xxxxx for it." Because, y'know, you're gonna buy a car of your own one day. But pretty much no one here is going to drop $20M on a quarterback, and to somehow think you'll be okay with the pick as long as the team didn't overpay makes absolutely, positively no sense at all. It's just the weirdest thing to discuss. Salary cap? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Yeah smart lets use the developmental QB as a WR and RB instead of you know actually developing as a QB and hos Mechanics which he greatly needs They'd be foolish not to include Jackson in special packages to create mismatches especially in close to the end zone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc said: Because the less money spent on a newly-acquired player, the more money available to potentially sign another player that can help the team. If you're the owner, sure. We're fans. What are we going to do? Stop cheering for the Bills because the owner didn't know how to budget his billions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: When I watch that highlight film I'm like "D*mmm, need someone like 82, 18, 12 who can haul those things in (that would be Jones, AJ Green, and Sanu) Suddenly Terrelle Pryor seems like a better fit than Martavis Bryant.............Dalton and McCarron been throwing deep balls up for grabs to AJ Green in practice and games for years..........need a big, physical deep threat. (And no KB is too slow, folks). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: Why do you guys keep bringing up price as one reason to be cool with a football player, as if you're the one's cutting the checks? I mean, I understand it if your neighbor bought a car and you think "That's a nice car, but I wouldn't pay $xxxxx for it." Because, y'know, you're gonna buy a car of your own one day. But pretty much no one here is going to drop $20M on a quarterback, and to somehow think you'll be okay with the pick as long as the team didn't overpay makes absolutely, positively no sense at all. It's just the weirdest thing to discuss. See we theres this thing called the salary cap. Each contract takes up a portion of it. So if you spend 20m on a guy that’s not very good, its a problem being able to afford guys that are actually contributing. I don’t care about the check, but the percentage of cap. If teams could only spend $1m for the roster I’d worry about $1000 here and there instead of a couple million here and there. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 57 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Uh, you might want to check where Allen hails from, chief. You do know where he went to school right??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, slaphappy said: Limited resources.. money to spend other places? If your neighbor needed a new roof but spent $40,000 on a 1971 Pinto you would probably discuss with anyone who would listen. But it's not my roof and it's not my Pinto. It's my neighbors. Am I going to stop hanging out with my neighbor because he buys a Pinto? Well, yes, but it has nothing to do with his need for a roof. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: No one thought he was any good? Our first McCarron hater. I’m sure your group will grow in time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 One man's opinion: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Just now, LABillzFan said: If you're the owner, sure. We're fans. What are we going to do? Stop cheering for the Bills because the owner didn't know how to budget his billions? Have you seen an empty stadium late season? That’s the lack of enthusiasm that poor asset allocation creates. So, yes, many fans will stop cheering if we give out tons of dumb deals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) 41 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I think they were waiting to see who didn't have a chair when the music stopped. If Teddy B was left standing I think the Bills might have gone there and he'd have signed for much less too. Great job of not panicking and.... you guessed it... TRUSTING THE PROCESS!!! Yeah I think they weren't willing to overpay for any of the free agent QBs. Maybe Bridgewater picked the Jets over the Bills, or they offered better contract incentives? Seems like a very similar deals. Bridgewater signed a 1 year deal that has a base salary of $5M and is worth up to $15M. Although he signed after McCown did, and McCown was told he would be starting, so you'd think Bridgewater would've had a better shot at starting here. Which is the one thing that makes me wonder if maybe we weren't interested in him... edit - I guess the deal with the Jets is potentially worth more. I was thinking McCarron was on a 1 year deal worth a possible $16.5M, but it's a 2 year deal. So Bridgewater can potentially make in 1 year what McCarron can potentially make in 2 yrs. Edited March 15, 2018 by BillsFan4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Just now, Kwai San said: You do know where he went to school right??? Yes but I'm saying he was born in Cali so it isn't like he is Nanook of the North or something Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, NoSaint said: See we theres this thing called the salary cap. Each contract takes up a portion of it. So if you spend 20m on a guy that’s not very good, its a problem being able to afford guys that are actually contributing. I don’t care about the check, but the percentage of cap. If teams could only spend $1m for the roster I’d worry about $1000 here and there instead of a couple million here and there. So go over the cap! Who the hell cares? The Eagles are over the cap, and that trophy still looks pretty good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, LABillzFan said: If you're the owner, sure. We're fans. What are we going to do? Stop cheering for the Bills because the owner didn't know how to budget his billions? Are you really this clueless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: The QB I wanted in FA is here, now I just need them to draft Mayfield and the circle is complete. Same here! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doc said: None of the other guys, many who got a lot more money, are any good either. I didn't really want any of them. I want a backup and not a bridge. That contract is dirt, dirt cheap though. Like in most anything, follow the money. He didn't get much play, respect, or cash. And it's because he stinks. But we just want him to hold a clipboard, or at least a surface tablet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Just now, LABillzFan said: So go over the cap! Who the hell cares? The Eagles are over the cap, and that trophy still looks pretty good. Apparently a troll? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 58 minutes ago, baskin said: The Bills play 1 game in winter.....and so does the opposing QB Ummmmm - you do WATCH the games don't you - please tell me you do - I went for 22 years and they play a HELL of alot more games in winter weather than 1....it might not be a raging snowstorm but it is cold and windy out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mileena Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t disagree with any of it but the long range throws. He has elite arm talent. Rosen certainly has his flaws. I was just taking issue with the complaints about his arm. Durability, dedication, etc... are all worthy of skepticism. Ok, well I think Rosen would be a good QB too. I don't think the Bills can lose. I would prefer Allen, but I'd welcome Rosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Just now, NoSaint said: Have you seen an empty stadium late season? That’s the lack of enthusiasm that poor asset allocation creates. So, yes, many fans will stop cheering if we give out tons of dumb deals. Nobody is giving out tons of dumb deals. In fact, this team is pretty flush. And again, it's not our money. Spend too much? Go over the cap. Who cares? Literally no one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 This is great wheelin' and dealin'. When the Bills made the trade up to 12 and got the third for Tyrod, I was excited...but this week I was just waiting for them to do something Billsy and trade a few of those draft picks for Foles or another QB under contract, thereby wasting picks. Instead, they play it perfectly: wait for McCarron to slip through the cracks and sign him for cheap. Perfect QB for the situation. Even better price. Great pedigree and some real untapped talent. He's at least as potentially good as Foles or Keenum. Guys, this off-season has been a solid A so far: The 1st pick in the 3rd round for Tyrod Moving up to 12 for Cordy Glenn Star and Murphy become instant starters decent depth with the safety, LB, and DE signing Now McCarron If Star and Murphy give us half of what Poyer and Hyde did last year, those signings are a home run. If for some reason, we don't get the right price for trading up, we still have a plethora of picks to build the team around McCarron. ...But yeah, let's go get Rosen or Darnold! Bravo to Beane and the FO. These guys are doing WORK. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 No doubter! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 57 minutes ago, baskin said: Winter starts Dec 21 OK - that cements it - you do NOT actually go to the games......its OK - nothing wrong with that and nothing wrong with being wrong - it happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Our first McCarron hater. I’m sure your group will grow in time. I'm quite happy with the signing actually. He's just not any good as a starter. He's here to be a backup and he came dirt cheap, and it all but assures us of taking one of the top three QBs. I'm very pleased. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricojes Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 10 minutes ago, NY Nole said: $16.5 over 2 years (including incentives) — Beane is the man! This is a steal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Looked at the first and last page... Cost? Man I hope this doesn't mean we're targeting Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Our first McCarron hater. I’m sure your group will grow in time. Thats a great one! You talking about haters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, rodneykm said: Same here! After yesterday’s reports of the bills liking Allen, I will be happy with anyone of Mayfield, Rosen or Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Finally a good QB one that had over 60% completion through out his entire career !! I can't wait to see him prove to the Bills fans he was worth the move & watch them jump on the band wagon !! Believe in the process GO BILLS !! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, T-Bomb said: Are you really this clueless? You see clueless, I see fans who literally will determine how much they like a player based, in part, on how much the team paid for him. There is only one thing that will determine if McCarron was a good hire: if he plays well. To suggest that "Well, he didn't play well, but hey, he only cost $15M, so I'm good with this" is ridiculous because the team needs someone under center to play well more than they need to save a few million on a contract. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Suddenly Terrelle Pryor seems like a better fit than Martavis Bryant.............Dalton and McCarron been throwing deep balls up for grabs to AJ Green in practice and games for years..........need a big, physical deep threat. (And no KB is too slow, folks). You could consider offering a 3rd for Tyrell Williams 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: You and several others are going to be surprised how good our WR's actually are when we have someone actually throw them the ball. Who will be good for the Bills this year who sucked last year though? lol Kelvin Benjamin was playing with a torn meniscus Zay Jones who couldn't catch a ball. Those guys surely will be better as Benjamin will be healthy and Jones can't be worse Deonte Thomson over performed if anything. The only one you can say that was descent who underperformed because the QB was Matthews and he only played like 9 games and won't be on the team next year. And even then his speed was very disappointing. Edited March 15, 2018 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, 1billsfan said: They'd be foolish not to include Jackson in special packages to create mismatches especially in close to the end zone. They would be foolish to include a rookie QB that needs major development with mechanics in anything but QB and delay development Edited March 15, 2018 by MAJBobby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, Kelly the Dog said: No one thought he was any good? More like they were risk averse. They’d rather sign a guy with a low ceiling and high floor than risk signing a player with a lower floor but higher ceiling. Personlly, I like this move as it doesn’t put all the Bills’ eggs in one draft pick’s basket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 If it's really 2 years for $16.5 million this is awesome!!! But if it's a sign we're targeting a project QB I really hope it's Jackson. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 6 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: Nobody is giving out tons of dumb deals. In fact, this team is pretty flush. And again, it's not our money. Spend too much? Go over the cap. Who cares? Literally no one. Other than disengaging I’m at a loss for how to respond to “just go over the cap” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: The guy making the throws is garbage ? WTF man, read for comprehension. Because I see great WR does not imply I'm saying the QB is garbage. 14 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: You and several others are going to be surprised how good our WR's actually are when we have someone actually throw them the ball. I would like to be surprised, but I don't think we have guys in the same class as Green, Sanu etc. 13 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said: Other than Green the other WRs are a dime a dozen. Atlanta disagrees with you on Sanu and he looks a bit special for them. Marvin Jones looking pretty good in Detroit. AJ Green or Julio Jones, no, but "dime a dozen", GREAT - guy find me a dozen just like that hell settle for 2. Jury may be more out on Eifert, injuries have hampered him I think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: You see clueless, I see fans who literally will determine how much they like a player based, in part, on how much the team paid for him. There is only one thing that will determine if McCarron was a good hire: if he plays well. To suggest that "Well, he didn't play well, but hey, he only cost $15M, so I'm good with this" is ridiculous because the team needs someone under center to play well more than they need to save a few million on a contract. You can judge a GM's acumen based on the amount of capital (salary, draft picks) he gives up to obtain players. Spending a fortune on a backup QB isn't always a smart move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 51 minutes ago, Blokestradamus said: AJ signs with a new agent on Monday This thread is JUST loaded with awesome posts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: If it's really 2 years for $16.5 million this is awesome!!! But if it's a sign we're targeting a project QB I really hope it's Jackson. It's 2 years $10M, with $6.5 in escalators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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