SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: If it's really 2 years for $16.5 million this is awesome!!! But if it's a sign we're targeting a project QB I really hope it's Jackson. Jackson? Thats not who who you have been clamoring about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: Nobody is giving out tons of dumb deals. In fact, this team is pretty flush. And again, it's not our money. Spend too much? Go over the cap. Who cares? Literally no one. The cap exists as an actual thing, though. An NFL team can't just "go over" it. Being in cap hell means other valuable players have to be moved off the roster. It results in a less consistent model for roster building, and sudden talent purges. I, for one, DO care about the roster and cap management of my favorite professional sports team. I find it interesting, and it is an inarguably essential facet of NFL team building. Why are you railing against this? It's weird. Edited March 15, 2018 by Richard Noggin mistake 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iamkrgr Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Whats the cap situation looking like now with these signings? Did we find out what Star will be making? Would love to add a WR and another LB before the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yard Monkey Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 All these pages of posts and no reference, picture or ripping on his god awful tattoo? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 13 minutes ago, rodneykm said: AJ might end up being the QB we've been searching for all these years. I think hes got the talent to be a franchise guy. I stumbled across this. It is weird. And maybe funny. But they have some decent information. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 12 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: They dumbed-down the offense for Foles...and still beat 2 of the best defenses in the NFL. Not sure I follow that logic. 12 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: If you're the owner, sure. We're fans. What are we going to do? Stop cheeing for the Bills because the owner didn't know how to budget his billions? No one is saying he/she will stop cheering for the Bills if they overpay for a player. Again what we're saying is that if you can get a guy for a good deal, it allows you to get more players. 1 minute ago, transplantbillsfan said: If it's really 2 years for $16.5 million this is awesome!!! No, it's really 2 years for $10M, worth up to $16.5 if AJM starts every game the next 2 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphappy Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: You see clueless, I see fans who literally will determine how much they like a player based, in part, on how much the team paid for him. There is only one thing that will determine if McCarron was a good hire: if he plays well. To suggest that "Well, he didn't play well, but hey, he only cost $15M, so I'm good with this" is ridiculous because the team needs someone under center to play well more than they need to save a few million on a contract. I suppose we could just offer everyone $100,000,000 and be done with it. We are talking about potential ROI.. not an after the fact evaluation. It's a perfectly normal conversation in polite circles. At least it seems like it to me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc said: They dumbed-down the offense for Foles...and still beat 2 of the best defenses in the NFL. Not sure I follow that logic. No one is saying he/she will stop cheering for the Bills if they overpay for a player. Again what we're saying is that if you can get a guy for a good deal, it allows you to get more players. No, it's really 2 years for $10M, worth up to $16.5 if AJM starts every game the next 2 years. They did, but who cares at this juncture with Foles not part of the Bills' equation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 4 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: They would be foolish to include a rookie QB that needs major development with mechanics in anything but QB and delay development He has consistency issues with his mechanics, not major flaws that need round the clock attention. This is the new NFL, where you create mismatches when you have a better hand you can play. If they draft him, he'll see the field in 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 12 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: No doubter! Wait a minutes. Why is this important. I just been reading in this thread that it doesn't mean anything if we signed McCarron to 25 million per year. It's not our money. Stupid Ross Tucker! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Chase Daniel just signed 2 years for 10 Mil. Mccaron signed the same. Still wondering how Beane pulled this off Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Just now, ColoradoBills said: Wait a minutes. Why is this important. I just been reading in this thread that it doesn't mean anything if we signed McCarron to 25 million per year. It's not our money. Stupid Ross Tucker! Preach. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 27 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think the market for 5th round draft picks who threw 5 INTs in less than 1/2 and then that cameo in the playoffs, is not all that strong. Har dee harr harr. Yeah maybe he will be safe at that. But I want to say that I have seen a lot of quarterbacks who didn't have it. Remember I have been going to Bills camp for 15 years now. And I wish that was funny. So I don't know if Peterman is going to be any good or not. But for sure, to me, he isn't one of the guys who just doesn't have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Just now, NoSaint said: Other than disengaging I’m at a loss for how to respond to “just go over the cap” You're at a loss because I'm not making my point clear enough. Let me try it another way: if AJ McCarron takes the Bills to the SB this season, is anyone really going to give a crap what the team paid for him? Even if the team went over the cap? No. In fact, hell no. If AJ McCarron ends up leading the BIlls to a 1-15 record, is anyone going to stand around saying "Well, that sucked but at least we're under the cap because we got him for a bargain!"? No. They'll be too busy burning his jersey. The idea of judging a player, in part, based on what someone else paid for him is ridiculous. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 7 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Atlanta disagrees with you on Sanu and he looks a bit special for them. Marvin Jones looking pretty good in Detroit. AJ Green or Julio Jones, no, but "dime a dozen", GREAT - guy find me a dozen just like that hell settle for 2. Jury may be more out on Eifert, injuries have hampered him I think. Since becoming a full-time starter, Sanu has averaged around 52 catches for 600 yards and 3 TD's a season. Nothing special. 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: They did, but who cares at this juncture with Foles not part of the Bills' equation. So you're saying that 2 of the best defenses in the NFL couldn't beat an allegedly dumbed-down offense? And signing AJM doesn't change the equation one iota. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan11 said: Still wondering how Beane pulled this off McCarron wants an opportunity to compete for a starting job and after all the dominoes fell he felt like this was his best chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 20 minutes ago, Saosin said: Love the signing, perfect situation for both the Bills and McCarron. Anyone else have a gut feeling that this means that we draft Allen or Jackson at 12 and that we may not expend any further draft capital to move up? I guess I'd be okay with it it, but man do I have a man-crush on Rosen. If we landed him, I'd be ecstatic. It depends on if they think those guys are franchise caliber. They won't be drafting a 1st round QB again soon; they'll try get the guy they believe in. I think theyll use some capital and move up again. They've sacrificed little to get to 12, and that's key. There is certainly a price point beyond which they won't go as it will limit their ability to put quality players on the field. That point is anyone's guess. They probably only truly like 2 of these QBs . There's still work to be done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 minute ago, billsfan11 said: Chase Daniel just signed 2 years for 10 Mil. Mccaron signed the same. Still wondering how Beane pulled this off Chance to start will do it all. Good sign and contract by Beane. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: Chase Daniel just signed 2 years for 10 Mil. Mccaron signed the same. Still wondering how Beane pulled this off Because they probably aren’t wildly different talents... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Just now, QCity said: McCarron wants an opportunity to compete for a starting job and after all the dominoes fell he felt like this was his best chance. I understand that, I just mean it's such a low price. Some backup QBS make more than that, and he will probably start the year and has a pretty high ceiling in the prime of his career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 49 minutes ago, PolishDave said: Thanks. (I'm out of thank you's and likes for the day because I spent way too much time here today.) I don't get it - me too - never knew you could run outa likes - but like you I have been here far too long today...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IDBillzFan Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 9 minutes ago, QCity said: You can judge a GM's acumen based on the amount of capital (salary, draft picks) he gives up to obtain players. Spending a fortune on a backup QB isn't always a smart move. Okay. If you want to judge the GM based on what they're paying, I'm completely with you. We SHOULD judge the GM on this. But when I hear fans here say "I'm not crazy about McCarron, but if we didn't overpay, I'll be okay" makes no sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Just now, NoSaint said: Because they probably aren’t wildly different talents... I will take Mccaron all day over Daniel. Younger, more potential, and has a hot GF 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Since becoming a full-time starter, Sanu has averaged around 52 catches for 600 yards and 3 TD's a season. Nothing special. So you're saying that 2 of the best defenses in the NFL couldn't beat an allegedly dumbed-down offense? And signing AJM doesn't change the equation one iota. Well designed and executed offense can defeat the best defenses even if they only run a handful of plays from multiple formations. Nothing new about that. I'm done talking about Foles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: You're at a loss because I'm not making my point clear enough. Let me try it another way: if AJ McCarron takes the Bills to the SB this season, is anyone really going to give a crap what the team paid for him? Even if the team went over the cap? No. In fact, hell no. If AJ McCarron ends up leading the BIlls to a 1-15 record, is anyone going to stand around saying "Well, that sucked but at least we're under the cap because we got him for a bargain!"? No. They'll be too busy burning his jersey. The idea of judging a player, in part, based on what someone else paid for him is ridiculous. You’ve only given part of the picture though. If he leads them to the SB this year it could be, in large part, due to the fact that the Bills don’t have to tie up a large part of their cap with their QB and are able to spend money elsewhere. By the same token, if they flame out and go (1-15) it is much easier to recover without the albatross of a huge contract dragging the Bills down. Contracts do matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 I never saw, AJM signed 2 years for $$$$$$???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 2 minutes ago, LABillzFan said: Okay. If you want to judge the GM based on what they're paying, I'm completely with you. We SHOULD judge the GM on this. But when I hear fans here say "I'm not crazy about McCarron, but if we didn't overpay, I'll be okay" makes no sense to me. Didn’t see this response before I posted. Fair enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WGBillsFan Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Like the signing and the price of the contract....can't wait to see him compete in camp! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 14 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: It's 2 years $10M, with $6.5 in escalators. Holy crap!!! Even better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: I understand that, I just mean it's such a low price. Some backup QBS make more than that, and he will probably start the year and has a pretty high ceiling in the prime of his career I'm not sure what his ceiling is. The contract appears to be below or at market rate based on the body of work, other deals being signed. The incentives give potential for higher earnings, and McCarron has to feel pretty good about his chance to start. The Bills have Nate Peterman and will have a high pick rookie in the mix. That's a decent opportunity compared to other teams. Most of them are returning starters from last season or signed others to big contracts. Edited March 15, 2018 by Boatdrinks 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Steptide said: Is it just me or this dude WAY out of his league? He's a goofy mofo with a terrible tattoo but comments like this crack me up. He was the qb for a national champ in Alabama, which made him like the most important person in the state. Now he makes millions. She's pretty but it isn't exactly hard for a guy with his resume to get a good looking woman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 44 minutes ago, jeremy2020 said: 47 minutes ago, mannc said: One of the best things about this signing is that the ridiculous "Tre White for Foles" and "our entire draft for Andrew Luck" speculation is now dead. Don't underestimate Bills fans Damn - that was funny - said it before - this thread has some all time posts in it..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vertig0 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 3 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: It depends on if they think those guys are franchise caliber. They won't be drafting a 1st round QB again soon; they'll try get the guy they believe in. I think theyll use some capital and move up again. They've sacrificed little to get to 12, and that's key. There is certainly a price point beyond which they won't go as it will limit their ability to put quality players on the field. That point is anyone's guess. They probably only truly like 2 of these QBs . There's still work to be done. Good points all around. Perhaps, if they covet both Darnold and Rosen, it gives them a little more wiggle room if they are only able to land one of the two. If Rosen is their guy and is there when they pick, perfect. But if he's not, and given that many evaluators think that Darnold needs to work on footwork and loopy arm delivery, this would give him the opportunity to sit and work on those issues without being pressured to start immediately and continue the bad habits. Not to say that Rosen is pro-ready immediately, but my untrained eye thinks he's more ready than Darnold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 If we have a great oc in Daboll who will design an offense around his qb aj can be successful. Obrien went to clemsons playbook and watson looked all world. Pederman went to chip kellys rpo and foles looked great. Dennison wanted tyrod to run his system and got fired for it. Dennison was like the fifth guy mcd wanted. Mcd went and got Daboll so I’m hoping this is the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: He's a goofy mofo with a terrible tattoo but comments like this crack me up. He was the qb for a national champ in Alabama, which made him like the most important person in the state. Now he makes millions. She's pretty but it isn't exactly hard for a guy with his resume to get a good looking woman. Even without his cash and position I wouldn’t look at this couple and think something was off about it. Maybe it’s just me, she’s pretty, but isn’t some unbelievable beauty. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 15 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said: Jackson? Thats not who who you have been clamoring about. Uhhh... no, he's not. I've been clamoring about Mayfield and Darnold, but signing McCarron gives me pause in my previous confidence we're inevitably trading into the top 5. So, if we aren't I hope we target Jackson, who's 4th on my QB wish list rather than Allen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
USABuffaloFan Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, BigBuff423 said: Great deal - shows competency at the highest level; also seems to indicate, as others have said, that the targeted QB is someone who will need a year or two to reach NFL ready - so Darnold or Allen...? Allen or Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 19 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: It's 2 years $10M, with $6.5 in escalators. I really have my doubts on AJ as a NFL starter but that is a very fair and reasonable contract. If he loses out/ isn't good enough as starter, that veteran backup qb money. Very smart deal and much better than paying Bradford $20 million. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 1 hour ago, Kelly the Dog said: That just shows what the league thinks of him. He stinks. This all but assures us Rosen, Darnold or Allen. yes. we got that. And.....a great deal for Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted March 15, 2018 Share Posted March 15, 2018 http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2018/03/14/aj-mccarron-can-make-up-to-16-5-million-over-two-years/ Quote The signing bonus is $4 million, and he’ll earn a guaranteed base salary of $900,000 in 2018. He has a $3 million roster bonus due on the third day of the 2019 league year, along with a $1.9 million salary. Of that amount, $1.1 million is guaranteed for injury at signing. It becomes fully guaranteed on the fifth day of the 2019 league year. The incentive package pays $1 million is he takes 60 percent of the snaps this year, and another $1 million if he takes 75 percent of the snaps. If McCarron takes 75 percent of the snaps, his base for 2019 also escalates by $2.5 million. He also can get $1 million for taking 60 percent of the snaps in 2019, and another $1 million for taking 75 percent of the snaps in 2019. If he takes 75 percent of the snaps in 2019 but fails to do so in 2018, he’ll get the $2.5 million escalator for 2019 as an incentive instead. These are the supposed details of the McCarron contract 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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