BADOLBILZ Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Pretty clear the Bills are trying to quickly climb up well before the draft to get ahead of the Jets and Broncos(as well as Cardinals/MIami)............will these teams watch the Bills cruise by or swing their own deals with NYG and Indy? All these FA QB deals are turning out to be very short term.........all those teams are still IN on a rookie QB........someone is getting left out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 They may try but you can bet any team that is going to trade down is going to call the Bills to see if they will exceed any offer. The Bills have the most ammo and the Giants, Colts and Browns know it. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: They may try but you can bet any team that is going to trade down is going to call the Bills to see if they will exceed any offer. The Bills have the most ammo and the Giants, Colts and Browns know it. But we don't have pick 5 or 6...interesting stuff next couple of weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 The Giants and Colts GM’s are the founders of Beane University...draft picks are the greatest asset. We have the most. Elway and the Jets can make a pitch, but we have the best assets available (unless those other teams mortgage their future like Whaley did for a friggin’ WR). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mrbojanglezs Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 The Giants and the Colts may not be willing to trade down. They may like a player there that they want to draft such as chub or Fitzpatrick or Chubb or Fitzpatrick or Barkley so if they don't want to trade down with the bills why would they trade down with another team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 The greatest advantage Buffalo has which makes the Jets & Broncos have a difficult time passing Buffalo is the number of picks we have acquired in this draft and both the Colts/Giants need multiple starters badly. Neither the Jets/Broncos have the advantage of even two 2nd round picks let alone two 1st rnd picks. I am very confident the Bills move up to #2 with the Giants due to the fact the Giants are low on draft capital and could accquire 2x 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd and the Bills still would be ok. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Pretty clear the Bills are trying to quickly climb up well before the draft to get ahead of the Jets and Broncos(as well as Cardinals/MIami)............will these teams watch the Bills cruise by or swing their own deals with NYG and Indy? All these FA QB deals are turning out to be very short term.........all those teams are still IN on a rookie QB........someone is getting left out. Anything can happen and people need to get used to the idea that other teams will make moves based on their own interests. None of those teams are getting a long term solution and if they think that one of the QB's can be a 4,000 + yard, 30 TD + and down the line per season then they are going to make a move to get that guy. The guys that know Beane from the past are working for their own teams and are not obligated to make inferior deals to help Beane out. As a Bills fan I obviously want to work out for us but also understand about tempering any optimism with reality. I hope other Bills fan do the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Can't see Broncos getting involved. If their guy falls to 5 they could take him but can't see them trading up after giving Keenum $20m per year. Jets will be involved but I think Giants at 2 blocks them a bit. Similar or equal value and Giants would much rather trade with Bills than Jets. They will not want to trade a potential franchise QB to a team that shares the same stadium. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I actually think that we may already have the trade parameters in place for a move up into the top 5 already. The thing is, it can't be done at this point because one of the key pieces will be pick 12. While the trade of Glenn to get to 12 has been agreed upon, it can't become official until tomorrow. Therefore, we can't include a pick, even though everyone knows we have it, that we technically don't have yet. We can't technically make a trade with a pick that we don't have yet. So, with that in mind, it is my hope that we have had a plan in place with the Giants or Colts that will be announced tomorrow, or shortly thereafter, once we officially have the 12th pick to trade. Just a thought. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 They could which is why I don’t want the Browns #4 pick. I want 1-3 to ensure we either get Rosen, Darnold or Mayfield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 12 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: The Giants and the Colts may not be willing to trade down. They may like a player there that they want to draft such as chub or Fitzpatrick or Chubb or Fitzpatrick or Barkley so if they don't want to trade down with the bills why would they trade down with another team? and Cleveland? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just be read for both firsts and a second next year and none of them can touch that deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Maybe they'll try, but given how many picks Buffalo has to offer, any team moving down would be foolish to do so without giving the Bills a chance to beat the price IMO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, aristocrat said: Just be read for both firsts and a second next year and none of them can touch that deal. Yeah which is why I was pumped about the Glenn trade. It would have really sucked giving up a first next year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 The Jets' assets are as good as the Bills. #6 is worth a LOT more than #12, and they have 37 and 49 too (plus 72). They are the main competition, as far as I see it. Denver has 5, 40, 71, 99, 106, and 109. That extra Jets second puts them ahead of Denver. Miami (11, 42, 73, 111) and AZ (15, 49, 79, 97) simply don't have the ammo at all relative to the Bills. The Jets are the main threat here, with Denver not too far behind given the #5 pick. There will be elite players that fall to 5 that the Giants/Colts may covet, like Chubb and Fitzpatrick. Those guys will not be there at 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: The Jets' assets are as good as the Bills. #6 is worth a LOT more than #12, and they have 37 and 49 too (plus 72). They are the main competition, as far as I see it. Denver has 5, 40, 71, 99, 106, and 109. That extra Jets second puts them ahead of Denver. Miami (11, 42, 73, 111) and AZ (15, 49, 79, 97) simply don't have the ammo at all relative to the Bills. The Jets are the main threat here, with Denver not too far behind given the #5 pick. There will be elite players that fall to 5 that the Giants/Colts may covet, like Chubb and Fitzpatrick. Those guys will not be there at 12. No, the Jets assets aren’t as good as the Bills. Not even close. Funny how you make no mention of us having two 1sts, two 2nds and two 3rds but you list every other teams picks. Edited March 13, 2018 by Binghamton Beast 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 Just now, Binghamton Beast said: No, the Jets assets aren’t as good as the Bills. Not even close. To repeat, 6 is way better than 12. 6, 37, and 49 are also better than 12, 22, and 53, at least according to both of the main draft charts that are out there. After that, the Bills take the advantage, but then the question becomes how many picks will the Bills be willing to deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 I think Buffalo we'll make sure this does not happen I honestly think they are going to jump up to pick one or two Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: No, the Jets assets aren’t as good as the Bills. Not even close. Funny how you make no mention of us having two 1sts, two 2nds and two 3rds but you list every other teams picks. Um ... I thought the draft picks that the Bills possess was common knowledge here. No? Also, see the chart here. https://forums.jetnation.com/topic/136311-bills-trade-for-the-12th-pick/?do=findComment&comment=3632207 Edited March 13, 2018 by dave mcbride 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: To repeat, 6 is way better than 12. 6, 37, and 49 are also better than 12, 22, and 53, at least according to both of the main draft charts that are out there. After that, the Bills take the advantage, but then the question becomes how many picks will the Bills be willing to deal. We need to add pick 21 to the scenario here. According to the value chart, pick #6 is worth 1,600. Picks 12 and 21 combined are worth 2,000. Not saying the Jets don't have ammo, they do. But we're in a good position to withstand a bidding war. But I don't think that's the issue. The issue is how far will the Giants, Colts, Broncos, be willing to drop if they have designs on a blue chip talent in the top ten. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, K-9 said: We need to add pick 21 to the scenario here. According to the value chart, pick #6 is worth 1,600. Picks 12 and 21 combined are worth 2,000. Not saying the Jets don't have ammo, they do. But we're in a good position to withstand a bidding war. But I don't think that's the issue. The issue is how far will the Giants, Colts, Broncos, be willing to drop if they have designs on a blue chip talent in the top ten. See the link above. If the Bills want to trade every pick away, they will win against anyone. But I don't think they want to do that. And you're right: the players matter. People forget that. Edited March 13, 2018 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 My guess is an agreement was made between the Bills, Giants or Colts. Trading up to 12 seems like it was done to facilitate a teams demand. Handshake agreement, wait til draft day to reduce the odds a team goes overboard and gives Cleveland an offer they can't refuse for #1. Maybe all this snow has gone to my brain and I'm being overly optimistic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: See the link above. If the Bills want to trade every pick away, they will win against anyone. But I don't think they want to do that. And you're right: the players matter. People forget that. I think the Bills will gladly part with both firsts as a starting point. And I have to think the extra 2nd and 3rd will be dangled as well as future assets. All depends on how much they value their target and how committed they are to the price. Nobody wants to go all in, but it's nice to have chips to play with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Binghamton Beast said: No, the Jets assets aren’t as good as the Bills. Not even close. Funny how you make no mention of us having two 1sts, two 2nds and two 3rds but you list every other teams picks. The Jets can't trade both 2nd's, a 3rd and tap into their 2019 picks? Their number 6 pick is worth a heck of a lot more than our current 12. They have cap space to fill holes and their roster is far from a disaster. Saying that some other team will not go to the mat over one of the QB's is just living in denial. 43 minutes ago, DefenseWins said: and Cleveland? Cleveland would be wise to take Barkley at one and with Kizer gone secure their QB with a minimum of expense by trading pick 4 in a package to the Giants or Colts. That is if they see one of the QB's as superior to the others. Edited March 13, 2018 by RochesterRob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 1 hour ago, RochesterRob said: The Jets can't trade both 2nd's, a 3rd and tap into their 2019 picks? Their number 6 pick is worth a heck of a lot more than our current 12. They have cap space to fill holes and their roster is far from a disaster. Saying that some other team will not go to the mat over one of the QB's is just living in denial. Cleveland would be wise to take Barkley at one and with Kizer gone secure their QB with a minimum of expense by trading pick 4 in a package to the Giants or Colts. That is if they see one of the QB's as superior to the others. The Bills have 2019 draft picks to "tap into" as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RochesterRob Posted March 13, 2018 Share Posted March 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, DefenseWins said: The Bills have 2019 draft picks to "tap into" as well... I never said that they did not but to say that some other team is going to look at the Bills' war chest and turn tail is naive. We can't say who will blink first in such a contest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: To repeat, 6 is way better than 12. 6, 37, and 49 are also better than 12, 22, and 53, at least according to both of the main draft charts that are out there. After that, the Bills take the advantage, but then the question becomes how many picks will the Bills be willing to deal. The question is also how many picks will the Jets be willing to deal. No doubt though that the sooner we can get to #2, the happier I will be, and I hope that’s what Beane is working towards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: Can't see Broncos getting involved. If their guy falls to 5 they could take him but can't see them trading up after giving Keenum $20m per year. Jets will be involved but I think Giants at 2 blocks them a bit. Similar or equal value and Giants would much rather trade with Bills than Jets. They will not want to trade a potential franchise QB to a team that shares the same stadium. There are four 4 blue chip QBs (Possibly) and a super start RB...The first five picks of the draft could be set with them and Browns could take 2 of those 5 players @ 1 and @4. I definitely see the Giants take a Blue chip prospect at #2....The wild card really is Indy. Can they slide to the Jets or Broncos spot and still get their DE or are they prepared to trade down to 12 to get multiple picks but lose out on a Blue Chip prospect. It is 2004 all over again...We are getting screwed like how we lost out on Eli/Rivers/Big-Ben and panicked and took Losman Edited March 14, 2018 by ganesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, corta765 said: The greatest advantage Buffalo has which makes the Jets & Broncos have a difficult time passing Buffalo is the number of picks we have acquired in this draft and both the Colts/Giants need multiple starters badly. Neither the Jets/Broncos have the advantage of even two 2nd round picks let alone two 1st rnd picks. I am very confident the Bills move up to #2 with the Giants due to the fact the Giants are low on draft capital and could accquire 2x 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd and the Bills still would be ok. The trade up partner almost has to be the Giants. If Beane wants his choice of 3-4 of the top guys we will need to pick before someone like Mia. tries to snake us. We have more than enough picks to entice NYG. And if the Browns pick Barkley it's Merry Christmas in April for Buffalo. Edited March 14, 2018 by LABILLBACKER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRush Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 The Jets signed McCown and probably Bridgewater. This gives them 4 QB’s on the active roster. Are they really going to spend draft picks to move up and draft another QB? I can’t see it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRW Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 10 minutes ago, BuffaloRush said: The Jets signed McCown and probably Bridgewater. This gives them 4 QB’s on the active roster. Are they really going to spend draft picks to move up and draft another QB? I can’t see it Petty and Hackenburg won't be sticking around there. McCown and Bridgewater are on one-year deals. They aren't out of the draft competition by a long shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lookylookyherecomescookie Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 16 minutes ago, ganesh said: There are four 4 blue chip QBs (Possibly) and a super start RB...The first five picks of the draft could be set with them and Browns could take 2 of those 5 players @ 1 and @4. I definitely see the Giants take a Blue chip prospect at #2....The wild card really is Indy. Can they slide to the Jets or Broncos spot and still get their DE or are they prepared to trade down to 12 to get multiple picks but lose out on a Blue Chip prospect. It is 2004 all over again...We are getting screwed like how we lost out on Eli/Rivers/Big-Ben and panicked and took Losman Mcbean is bold but not stupid. He had his 2018 qb arranged before he traded TT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DefenseWins Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 There is another thing to consider here... Assuming that Clev drafts a QB, The Bills trade up to #2 or #3 to draft a QB, the chances are that by simply staying where they are the Broncos and Jets will each get a shot at one of the top 4 QB's... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 14, 2018 Share Posted March 14, 2018 The Jets arent out of the QB race, but I doubt they are looking to trade up. I'd bet they are preparing to settle on Jackson/whoever is left at #6, or even trade back and take Jackson/Rudolph. Looks like it might just be us and Denver jockeying to move up to 2-3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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