Dr. K Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 More of McBeane shipping out everyone Rex wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 These new guys really just want nothing to do with anyone that was here prior. I’m surprised Shady is still here. Hopefully some players are off limits, but it seems like Beane and Mcd just want to clean every old guard player out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I think it would take a draft pick plus Shaq. It could, depending on how KC values Shaq. The question is, what would they want for Alex Smith? I can't see anything more than a 3rd as being worth it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 13, 2018 Author Share Posted January 13, 2018 Just now, Dr. K said: More of McBeane shipping out everyone Rex wanted. I would love to hear what they say about Rex/Whaley behind closed doors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KollegeStudnet Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 It’ll be a tough market for him. Mid-late pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea a 5th maybe? I don't think that matters to them as much. They are looking at Glenn, Taylor and Lawson as at least 3 more draft picks taking them to 11 total. This draft is about finding a Quarterback and then continuing to plug in young talent that fits their template. This is the process. Just please get the qb right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 13, 2018 Author Share Posted January 13, 2018 Just now, Happy Gilmore said: It could, depending on how KC values Shaq. The question is, what would they want for Alex Smith? I can't see anything more than a 3rd as being worth it. I think it’s less about what he’s really worth and more about how much the Bills want him vs the competition. The Browns May drive up the price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea a 5th maybe? I don't think that matters to them as much. They are looking at Glenn, Taylor and Lawson as at least 3 more draft picks taking them to 11 total. This draft is about finding a Quarterback and then continuing to plug in young talent that fits their template. This is the process. That makes a lot of sense and wpuld be for the best. Theres a lot they could do at important positions in free afency too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 13, 2018 Author Share Posted January 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: Just please get the qb right. I keep thinking they will trade or sign a vet like Alex Smith and draft one in the 1st as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I keep thinking they will trade or sign a vet like Alex Smith and draft one in the 1st as well. Wouldn't want to pay more than a third for Smith. I'm fine with bringing him in so long as it doesn't mean we pass on qb in the first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kmart128 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 2 hours ago, McBean said: Good if true. Another Whaley bust. Not really busy. He is solid. Really good in setting the edge. Issue is he can't stay on field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 9 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said: I disagree, our pass rush got worse and our run game suffered without him as he is actually strong against the run too. Good coaches utilize talent, not dump talent for the ego of their scheme. And sorry, but I don't buy that he cant fit into McD's scheme in the first place as he was fitting before the injury. By the way, GM's and Coaches don't give a rats a** about who "chose" the player in the draft when debating on keeping or getting rid of a player. That is fan mythology, all they want to do is win. If they feel Shaq isnt the right guy, they will move him...but its not because he was "Whaleys" pick. Beane is Cleary going hyper aggressive on acquiring draft assets, so not out of the question they are shopping Shaq as he has been slowed from injuries now for 2 years and has yet to really cement his place on the team. But, I feel like Shaq has a lot of upside still and I dont prefer to sell low like we did with Dareus and create another hole. Would rather bring in competition with Shaq and see if he can win the job. I agree that coaches don't care who picked the talent if it fits their scheme and Lawson simply doesn't. Coach's don't pick players that don't fit there scheme and they most certainly do "dump" (although I think that is the wrong word) them when they don't. That is also why Beane is being "hyper" (a little dramatic don't have think?) aggresive gaining draft picks which really is my point. So I guess we just disagree on the quality of Lawson as a player as we agree on everything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I keep thinking they will trade or sign a vet like Alex Smith and draft one in the 1st as well. I agree, this approach makes sense. I doubt McD and the new OC will want to roll into next season with a rookie, even with one selected mid 1st round. Unfortunately, as you astutely pointed out, competition with teams like Cleveland will probably make getting a vet like Alex Smith more expensive than it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 I'll just trust the process ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said: I agree that coaches don't care who picked the talent if it fits their scheme and Lawson simply doesn't. Coach's don't pick players that don't fit there scheme and they most certainly do "dump" (although I think that is the wrong word) them when they don't. That is also why Beane is being "hyper" (a little dramatic don't have think?) aggresive gaining draft picks which really is my point. So I guess we just disagree on the quality of Lawson as a player as we agree on everything else. True, and yes I think we disagree on whether or not Shaq fits McD's scheme. He was one of the team leaders in sacks when hurt, and also was good against the run. So I just dont get the whole thing about how he doesn't fit when he seemed to be fitting to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 I think that once again, this is on Rex. Be nice to not use that phrase anymore. I don't know how many times the scheme has changed in the last 8 years, but I think it is way too many. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I think it would take a draft pick plus Shaq. If I were KC I wouldn't give anything more than a 7th for Shaq.........but that's because we've seen first hand how JAG he's been and that's all that matters to us now. But we have to bear in mind that there were pro scouts that thought he was a first round talent. If you find someone that loved Shaq's potential they might value him like a comp 3rd or a 4th? And I'm not really sure what the trade value of Alex Smith is. He simply can't go back to KC......it's far more toxic for him in KC than it is for Tyrod in Buffalo And like Tyrod it's hard to draw connections between Smith and many other teams. Who else wants Alex Smith? NYJ maybe? Minnesota if they pass on their own 3 QB's? Not a sellers market. Additionally, unlike Tyrod I think Smith will have a lot of say where he gets traded which further limits his open market value. If KC doesn't get a second day pick for Smith that may be a bad look...........but they might be able to better sell an unwanted starting QB for former 1st round DE trade a lot easier than just getting a late pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Bangarang said: Don’t they have a pretty solid track record with info? I never thought he would be anything good but others had higher hopes. We don't seem to have much luck with Clemson players. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 minute ago, 1st&ten said: We don't seem to have much luck with Clemson players. The Texans do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st&ten Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Estro said: Most your getting for him is a 5th, maybe. Might be one if the slowest DEs in the NFL, which was evident on his college game tape. Yoiu don't (shouldn't) draft run stuffing DEs in the 1st round Fixed this for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 A discussion of ongoing Bills futility. There's so much we have to change it's difficult to fathom how this piece fixes the puzzle. Yes, we made the playoffs, but we're nowhere near going far in same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 50 minutes ago, Bills Pimpin' said: I agree that coaches don't care who picked the talent if it fits their scheme and Lawson simply doesn't. Coach's don't pick players that don't fit there scheme and they most certainly do "dump" (although I think that is the wrong word) them when they don't. That is also why Beane is being "hyper" (a little dramatic don't have think?) aggresive gaining draft picks which really is my point. So I guess we just disagree on the quality of Lawson as a player as we agree on everything else. We would run to the podium to take him in the 5-6th round and you would praise the late gem we found 1 minute ago, Formerly Allan in MD said: A discussion of ongoing Bills futility. There's so much we have to change it's difficult to fathom how this piece fixes the puzzle. Yes, we made the playoffs, but we're nowhere near going far in same. If we hit on qb we aren’t that different than most of these teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Never should have drafted that bum another Whaley failure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: This was a mistake fan observers made with regard to Shaq at Clemson too. He was so slow off the ball that people thought he was supposed to be. Yeah because only the truly gifted fan knows a DE is supposed to rush the passer on every play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punt75 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 I think, unfortunately, we've seen all Shaq has to give! He play 'stiff' ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clemfield2622 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Doing this would be incredibly dumb given what Beane has said about dead cap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 I wonder IF they are sharing an inside source with DunkirkChad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 3 hours ago, NickelCity said: Not terribly surprising, but by god we've got to draft better. was drafted for the Rex defense to set the edge. LBs get all the sacks in the Rex confusion blitz D. so yeah, he could go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 Lawson would probably be better served to put on 20-30 and kick inside. He is not a good enough pass rusher to get around the corner in the defense. He is probably more like Washington then he is like Hughes. Gain a little weight and slide into the DT rotation or move to a different team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Pimpin' Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, NoSaint said: We would run to the podium to take him in the 5-6th round and you would praise the late gem we found I'm not exactly sure what you are talking about but no one is running anywhere to take Lawson in the fifth round with the last 2 years of hindsight. Lawson played about 8 games and was replaced by guys off the street without much fall off. The fact of the matter is Lawson was taken 19th overall and the Bills prolly won't get a 5th for him 2 years later. He is not a bust yet but the fat lady is certainly warming up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 They used to be pretty reliable but they haven’t hit on anything in a while, I just don’t see this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 I'm not so sure that he couldn't remain a rotational player in this system. He's been plagued by injuries and maybe that continues, maybe it doesn't. But I don't think there's enough compensation out there to warrant trading him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 hey after this season i trust the process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: Good, it's the right move. Injury prone with very little pass rush abilities. Him and Ragland both failed picks by foot fetish. Hopefully we can find a team that needs a run stopping DE. I agree, but yeeeesh! How bad was that Draft?? Rex & Whaley realm looks even darker now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Not surprised at all. Wasn't drafted by this front office and doesn't fit this scheme. 17 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said: I agree, but yeeeesh! How bad was that Draft?? Rex & Whaley realm looks even darker now. lol. Right. Ragland is a second year starter for a different playoff team. Lawson will do very well in the right scheme too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 Stupid. He's cheap and has been healthy. His trade value is nothing and he been solid against the run. This team needs to stop creating holes and then replacing them. Of course, everyone will blindly "trust the process" and ignore that the Bills were worse in almost every category besides turnovers. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 4 hours ago, NickelCity said: Not terribly surprising, but by god we've got to draft better. This is why I am not afraid to give it all away for a stud QB. We don't do anything with our top draft picks anyway! It's like we are giving them away as it is, just without getting a franchise QB in return! So at least get the franchise QB in return! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Stupid. He's cheap and has been healthy. His trade value is nothing and he been solid against the run. This team needs to stop creating holes and then replacing them. Of course, everyone will blindly "trust the process" and ignore that the Bills were worse in almost every category besides turnovers. This is all true, sadly. I think the Bills coaching has been solid but they've really gone on a limb with their front office moves. If they want to upgrade DE, then fine. Draft a DE. Bring in some FAs. Whatever. But don't get rid of Lawson for peanuts. Let someone beat him out first and then keep him for depth. Edited January 14, 2018 by vincec 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 55 minutes ago, Punt75 said: I think, unfortunately, we've seen all Shaq has to give! He play 'stiff' ! Yes, he do play stiff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 14, 2018 Share Posted January 14, 2018 2 minutes ago, vincec said: This is all true, sadly. I think the Bills coaching has been solid but they've really gone on a limb with their front office moves. If they want to upgrade DE, then fine. Draft a DE. Bring in some FAs. Whatever. But don't get rid of Lawson for peanuts. Let someone beat him out first and then keep him for depth. Agreed. You can never have enough d linemen to rotate. Worse comes to worst, Shaq becomes a situational player. That's more valuable than a 6th or 7th rounder for a 3 year former 1st round pick. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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