Fadingpain Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) This is as good as things have looked around OBD in a long time. McD has his faults, but he is young and still learning. He clearly passes the "basic competence" test of a HC. He ended the drought. He was smart enough to see the OC wasn't getting the job done, nor Tyrod, and one is now gone and the other will be gone soon. We are about to find a competent QB one way or the other (I believe) and anyone not on board the success train has been shipped out of town. When was the last time it looked this good at OBD? During the Superbowl run? This era we are in now feels like the mid to late '80s when the Superbowl teams were being constructed, learning, and growing. Edited January 12, 2018 by Fadingpain 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 The one thing I will say is it does feel like we're trying to get better, as opposed to trying to justify poor decisions made in the past by giving people 2nd and 3rd chances to prove the decision-makers right. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Calm down... 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Still don't have a good QB, and also our OC was just fired for not performing well. The team lacks a lot of talent at many positions. But yes, I am confident in McDermott and Beane. I like them. Still have a LOT to prove, though. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobH063 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I would say what's going on provides similar feelings to just before the Bills got really good. I'm not saying we'll get that good again but somehow this does feel a whole lot different than the past 18 years. Did the Bills back into the playoffs with help from other teams? Sure they did but they made it just the same. If it wasn't the Bills, it would have been some other team and their fan base would have embraced it, so I do too. I also think that there's room for McDermott and Beane to grow in their jobs. They are both young and make some mistakes but they get most things right or at least they have so far. As fans, we sometimes want things faster than they can be provided. Patience is what's needed now with continued improvement. But we live in a world where everyone wants things done to their satisfaction yesterday, so we'll see if the fans and owner can be patient enough to let this thing simmer until it's really great. In the meantime, I for one am just going to enjoy the ride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulbills Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: and one is now gone and the other will be gone soon. Am I the only one thinking Dennison got canned but Tyrod isn't going to be? The consensus around here seems to be "when tyrod is gone" although I can't not be scared to think he may be staying another year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) Making a real attempt to get better at QB is a big positive flag showing they are playing with the right FO now. Other FO dinked and dunked on QB for "salary cap" "Ralph Wilson" "cash to cap policy" causing avoidance of high draft picks for QB's in draft and even moderate high draft picks in draft. Not to mention whiffing on Russ Wilson who they liked, Dak Prescott who they liked, and it goes on and on. If is also not lost on me that Beane apparently has final say on trades and draft picks so that has not been the same "picks by committee" BS Levy, Nix, and Whaley, were handicapped with. Yeah things are looking up. The further we get away from the dumping of clear talent by Beane this past year the better I will feel. Edited January 12, 2018 by cba fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybee Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Never takes long for the negative nellies to spin some positive vibe into negative re-hash on this forum. Sigh. OP you are spot-on correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 It was looking pretty damn good when Marrone left after a 9-7 year. Don't get ahead of yourselves. There is much roster turnover to come. Hopefully this means adding much needed talent to the defensive lines and LBs, fixing the offensive line, RB depth. I expect Taylor will be gone which leaves a big unknown at the QB position. Lets see what McBeane can do with their first true draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) Tyrod is still here and they haven't drafted a 1st round QB yet. Put on those breaks. We could be in the same position next season looking for a OC after this new one also fails bad with Tyrod. Until Tyrod is gone I will expect the same old OBD shuffle talking up Tyrod like he is more then not good enough while drafting another Peterman project. OC#4 working on Cutlers streak of 5 before he was moved. Offense still could be in a dead repeating circle. Rex must be so proud his choice at QB is still the starter. I want to be really excited but I will wait to see. Edited January 12, 2018 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 The firing of Denison virtually guarantees that Tyrod will be gone. I have no idea how it could mean anything else. But, players contracts are different than coaches. The coach goes first! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 What time and where for the parade? Seriously though, despite my BBFS, it is tough not to trust the process. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted January 12, 2018 Author Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said: The one thing I will say is it does feel like we're trying to get better, as opposed to trying to justify poor decisions made in the past by giving people 2nd and 3rd chances to prove the decision-makers right. This is right on point with my thoughts too. This organization has been very poorly run for the duration of the drought and it didn't take too long to figure that out with each new regime. A few years ago we had a GM telling us EJ was a good QB and had the look of a champion in his eyes. He then stuck with him to cover his own ass and neglected other options as a result. That crap is over now! This is as solid of an organization as we've had in a very long time. The crew at OBD seems competent enough, they have a plan, and they are enacting it in a systematic, organized, forward looking manner. I can't remember when it looked this good. 4 minutes ago, xRUSHx said: Tyrod is still here and they haven't drafted a 1st round QB yet. Put on those breaks. We could be in the same position next season looking for a OC after this new one also fails bad with Tyrod. Until Tyrod is gone I will expect the same old OBD shuffle talking up Tyrod like he is more then not good enough while drafting another Peterman project. OC#4 working on Cutlers streak of 5 before he was moved. Offense still could be in a dead repeating circle. Rex must be so proud his choice at QB is still the starter. I want to be really excited but I will wait to see. What the hell are you talking about? They can't draft a QB until draft day, and it's obvious to anyone paying attention that this is what they are going to do. Listen to Beane's comments at the end of season presser....couldn't have emphasized enough that we want to do what it takes to get what we want/need. Study their body of work so far and project forward. If you think they are sticking with Tyrod you're out of your mind. If he does remain, it will be part of a planned, short term stay while the real QB is prepared. His days are numbered one way or the other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) We made the playoffs with one of the worst Bills teams the last 17 years. This team has few young players worth anything. They just fired their OC. The Bills are 0-5 in games Tyrod Taylor has not been the #1 QB the last 3 years. We're about to dump him. McDermott is a defensive coach and the defense finished 18th in points, I believe they were close to last the 2nd half of the season. TheM can't rush the passer. MCDermott had numerous clock management issues and bone head decisions. I said a while back that it's a weird season. I don't really know what to expect next year, there will be a lot of changes. That said they did change how the Bills are viewed around the league. Edited January 12, 2018 by TheTruthHurts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Domdab99 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, paulbills said: Am I the only one thinking Dennison got canned but Tyrod isn't going to be? The consensus around here seems to be "when tyrod is gone" although I can't not be scared to think he may be staying another year. It'd be stupid to dump our starting QB without a better option in place, wouldn't you agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Fadingpain said: This is as good as things have looked around OBD in a long time. McD has his faults, but he is young and still learning. He clearly passes the "basic competence" test of a HC. He ended the drought. He was smart enough to see the OC wasn't getting the job done, nor Tyrod, and one is now gone and the other will be gone soon. We are about to find a competent QB one way or the other (I believe) and anyone not on board the success train has been shipped out of town. When was the last time it looked this good at OBD? During the Superbowl run? This era we are in now feels like the mid to late '80s when the Superbowl teams were being constructed, learning, and growing. I won't be happy until Tyrod Taylor is officially gone. Then and only then, I will rejoice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 minute ago, McBean said: I won't be happy until Tyrod Taylor is officially gone. Then and only then, I will rejoice. You go and be happy when he's gone. I'll wait and see who the replacement is first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Fadingpain said: This is as good as things have looked around OBD in a long time. McD has his faults, but he is young and still learning. He clearly passes the "basic competence" test of a HC. He ended the drought. He was smart enough to see the OC wasn't getting the job done, nor Tyrod, and one is now gone and the other will be gone soon. We are about to find a competent QB one way or the other (I believe) and anyone not on board the success train has been shipped out of town. When was the last time it looked this good at OBD? During the Superbowl run? This era we are in now feels like the mid to late '80s when the Superbowl teams were being constructed, learning, and growing. Fired up!! You are right on your post! I am trusting the process. As long as McD sticks with the process (doesn't get to big on his ego) we will keep going in the right direction. To answer your question, "last time it was this good"..........last Century. Go Bills! GREAT things are happening! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaista2k Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) An OC fired from Buffalo is different? Doesn't this happen every year in Buffalo? LOL Edited January 12, 2018 by Klaista2k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, Klaista2k said: An OC fired from Buffalo is different? Doesn't this happen every year in Buffalo? LOL Perception is everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Johnson Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: It was looking pretty damn good when Marrone left after a 9-7 year. Don't get ahead of yourselves. There is much roster turnover to come. Hopefully this means adding much needed talent to the defensive lines and LBs, fixing the offensive line, RB depth. I expect Taylor will be gone which leaves a big unknown at the QB position. Lets see what McBeane can do with their first true draft. No. There was not the sense that we were building something in 2014 after Marrone's 9-7 season. That team had just lost a must-win game to the Raiders. They did not have a lot of young talent or a positive draft situation. They had traded the upcoming 1st rounder in 2015 and the coach and QB were out the door the week the season ended. The 2014 Bills had an expensive, dominant, aging defensive line, but they were not setup for sustainable success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) last time it looked this good was the last offseason when I thought it looked this good What I am saying is I expect good things, but been down this road before Edited January 12, 2018 by ddaryl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, Flip Johnson said: No. There was not the sense that we were building something in 2014 after Marrone's 9-7 season. That team had just lost a must-win game to the Raiders. They did not have a lot of young talent or a positive draft situation. They had traded the upcoming 1st rounder in 2015 and the coach and QB were out the door the week the season ended. The 2014 Bills had an expensive, dominant, aging defensive line, but they were not setup for sustainable success. What? They had more young talent than this roster. Same problem at QB. The biggest difference is we have 2 1st round picks this offseason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I agree, but the next few moves, TT's future, draft and OC hire are absolutely crucial. It was a great year but lets keep making good decisions and not slip up!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 11 minutes ago, Flip Johnson said: No. There was not the sense that we were building something in 2014 after Marrone's 9-7 season. That team had just lost a must-win game to the Raiders. They did not have a lot of young talent or a positive draft situation. They had traded the upcoming 1st rounder in 2015 and the coach and QB were out the door the week the season ended. The 2014 Bills had an expensive, dominant, aging defensive line, but they were not setup for sustainable success. Are you kidding? New owner, Pegula put to bed all the BS about moving to LA, we made a splashy HC hire in Rex, Marrone/Hackett and the ultra conservative offense were gone, we still had a DOMINANT defensive unit. That offseason we bring in Shady. Season ticket sales were through the roof. Optimism was as high as it gets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I won't get excited until Taylor and Castillo are released. Otherwise OC#4 and our 1st good HC could be fired because of keeping Taylor. But then again how good can McD and the Bean be if they cannot see that Taylor is a below average QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Domdab99 said: It'd be stupid to dump our starting QB without a better option in place, wouldn't you agree? I completely agree. I think we've all seen what Tyrod has... And he has been found to be lacking. With that said... He's still better than Peterman or a raw rookie. So you keep him on until you have a viable replacement. Perhaps that's a rookie you just drafted and feel can start day 1. Most that do suck however. Perhaps its a good FA pickup, but some of them may cost more than any rational team would want to pay. So... Untill I see who the new QB is, I'll reserve my sentiment that I'm glad Tyrod is gone. How many times have we said...just get rid of this one player/coach/whoever and we're a better team only to have that blow up in our face? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 3 hours ago, Fadingpain said: This is as good as things have looked around OBD in a long time. McD has his faults, but he is young and still learning. He clearly passes the "basic competence" test of a HC. He ended the drought. He was smart enough to see the OC wasn't getting the job done, nor Tyrod, and one is now gone and the other will be gone soon. We are about to find a competent QB one way or the other (I believe) and anyone not on board the success train has been shipped out of town. When was the last time it looked this good at OBD? During the Superbowl run? This era we are in now feels like the mid to late '80s when the Superbowl teams were being constructed, learning, and growing. McD is one I was excited about from the get go and I feel great about him at this point as a HC. He seriously needs to improve how he manages his timeouts and the clock, but those are also things that are common issues with a first time HC. He can get too conservative at times, like how I still whole heartedly disagree with his decision to punt in the snow game even though it worked out, but thats ok. I think as he gets more comfortable (and as he gets better and comfortable with managing the clock better too) I think his aggressiveness will increase as well. I love that he recognized the issues with the OC and made a quick decision to fire him. I love how he has brought discipline to the team, but also brought the team closer together and really truly started changing the culture finally. This team is set up well moving forward. We are loaded with picks this year to really start to plug some holes on this team. And this is about as good a year as any to explore changes at QB with lots of picks, a deep QB class, more than usual amount of quality veteran QB's available, and even a potential pretty good QB in Cousins could be available. There are also quite a few free agents out there that would be good additions this year in places we need help that shouldn't break the bank either. So I am with you, things feel pretty good moving forward. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) I can't answer your question directly, but I can say I think this team might take a 'step back' next year BEFORE becoming a very good team in 2019..not because of the coach, but the Roster: -DL Williams might not be back, and if he is, his age dictates he will be slowing down. Jerry Hughes hasn't been the same player for 3+ years, and he will be one year older too. Those 2 won't be as good as even this year, and who else do you have? -LB I can honestly say that without MAJOR moves, this may be one of the worst LB crews in the league. -Secondary. They were pretty good this year, so I would expect the same next year. MAYBE better if they stay 100% healthy -WR Well, its as close to a tire-fire group as you can have. An improved Jones and a Healthy Benjamin get you to an 'average' WR group...maybe? OL. Your only 2 guys who are good are Wood and Incognito. Both are on the downside of their career...you are going to get the same or slightly worse out of them. 3 other huge question marks on the line. I'm not sure Glenn will be here (doubt it) but if he is...injury prone for sure. RB. McCoy had a really good year, but same as many above, he isnt' getting younger. You can HOPE he doesn't slow down (and you get the same player as this year) but I think you might start to see signs of him slowing. Nothing behind him. TE. Decent group..but can you expect a full 16 games out of Clay? QB....if, IF they can strike gold and get a MAJOR improvement here, this will be the ticket to the playoffs again. Good/Great QB play and a great secondary get you there next year...other than that...I see a major step back in 2018 just because of roster concerns. Edited January 12, 2018 by mjd1001 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevWarRifleman Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 When was the last time? 1989. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John in Jax Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Honestly, talk to me in December of this year. Been burned so, so, so, many times before, I don't like to get my hopes up until the end of the season is in sight. Lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simool Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 4 hours ago, paulbills said: Am I the only one thinking Dennison got canned but Tyrod isn't going to be? The consensus around here seems to be "when tyrod is gone" although I can't not be scared to think he may be staying another year. It depends. If we somehow acquire Alex Smith, I would say he is gone. However since it is beginning to look like Smith may go to Cleveland, I believe that Tyrod could be back barring a trade for picks. If for no other reason than he simply does things the right way with his leadership, preparation, and character. Having that in the QB room with two young QB's is essential. If he does end up staying in that scenario I could see him being given a chance to win the job next season. Which hopefully he doesn't. You would be hard pressed to find a better backup. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, TheTruthHurts said: What? They had more young talent than this roster. Same problem at QB. The biggest difference is we have 2 1st round picks this offseason. No, the biggest difference is Russ Brandon is out of football operations and Doug Whaley was fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 7 minutes ago, Rico said: No, the biggest difference is Russ Brandon is out of football operations and Doug Whaley was fired. Not sure we're better off today. We will find out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 4 hours ago, Fadingpain said: This is as good as things have looked around OBD in a long time. McD has his faults, but he is young and still learning. He clearly passes the "basic competence" test of a HC. He ended the drought. He was smart enough to see the OC wasn't getting the job done, nor Tyrod, and one is now gone and the other will be gone soon. We are about to find a competent QB one way or the other (I believe) and anyone not on board the success train has been shipped out of town. When was the last time it looked this good at OBD? During the Superbowl run? This era we are in now feels like the mid to late '80s when the Superbowl teams were being constructed, learning, and growing. It briefly looked this good a few years ago, right before they hired Rex. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskibreth Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said: We made the playoffs with one of the worst Bills teams the last 17 years. This team has few young players worth anything. They just fired their OC. The Bills are 0-5 in games Tyrod Taylor has not been the #1 QB the last 3 years. We're about to dump him. McDermott is a defensive coach and the defense finished 18th in points, I believe they were close to last the 2nd half of the season. TheM can't rush the passer. MCDermott had numerous clock management issues and bone head decisions. I said a while back that it's a weird season. I don't really know what to expect next year, there will be a lot of changes. That said they did change how the Bills are viewed around the league. FWIW... They beat the Colts in the snow without Tyrod starting. Edited January 12, 2018 by wiskibreth 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) im optimistic. firing dennison was not easy or fun. but they did it swiftly because it needed to be done. still work to do and its very possible the team will win less than 9 games in 2018... but they a committed to building a sustainable football program. i havent felt that way since butler or donahoe Edited January 12, 2018 by May Day 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 2 hours ago, Jauronimo said: Are you kidding? New owner, Pegula put to bed all the BS about moving to LA, we made a splashy HC hire in Rex, Marrone/Hackett and the ultra conservative offense were gone, we still had a DOMINANT defensive unit. That offseason we bring in Shady. Season ticket sales were through the roof. Optimism was as high as it gets. 2014 going into 2015 team was on the launching pad until Coach Moron and Kyle quit. i would also add 2004. We were 9-7 then too (yeah I know the last game) and won 6 out of the last 7. Team has some serious mojo workin'. Then we dumped our QB to go with a first round draft pick and we didn't have another winning season for 10 years. (I hope we don't repeat ourselves ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 4 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said: We made the playoffs with one of the worst Bills teams the last 17 years. This team has few young players worth anything. They just fired their OC. The Bills are 0-5 in games Tyrod Taylor has not been the #1 QB the last 3 years. We're about to dump him. McDermott is a defensive coach and the defense finished 18th in points, I believe they were close to last the 2nd half of the season. TheM can't rush the passer. MCDermott had numerous clock management issues and bone head decisions. I said a while back that it's a weird season. I don't really know what to expect next year, there will be a lot of changes. That said they did change how the Bills are viewed around the league. Are you forgetting, like, 14 of the last 17 years? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 15 minutes ago, arcane said: Are you forgetting, like, 14 of the last 17 years? This is a bad football team, even worse without Taylor. There are positives, like future cap space and draft picks, but there is very little to take from this season and carry it over into next season. It was a weird season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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