NewEraBills Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I'm not a big fan of PFF because there are some things they do not account for but here are the season-ending QB rankings. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/final-nfl-qb-rankings-by-pff-player-grades-2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 5 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: 12. TYROD TAYLOR, BUFFALO BILLS – 84.1 OVERALL GRADE Excerpt from the PFF QB Annual: Taylor finished 2017 among the league’s most accurate passers under pressure. His 53.5 completion percentage was fifth among starters and his 79.4 passer rating was seventh, but the one area he struggled through in 2017, was taking sacks. Taylor converted pressure to sacks 23.3 percent of the time – the highest rate in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I guess teams will be burning up his cell phone to get him in and be their starter. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 This stat alone makes PFT worthless to me. If they can sit there with straight faces and say TT is better than a bottom tier QB, none of their stats mean anything. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Sorry but the all-22 doesn’t lie 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I don't get these convoluted stats. I guess PFF stands for pretty funny facts...the eye test has him ranked in the bottom 5 with Bortles. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Goff at 18? Wow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I saw enough TT at 12 makes this garbage 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 And Stafford below Keenum and Mariota (and Taylor obviously)... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 I'm not a Tyrod-hater but I do believe this proves PFF looks at - and weighs things - wrongly. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Taylor cracked the code. We have a ton of guys at work that have great numbers when it comes to getting jobs done fast. Their numbers are amazing on paper but we you talk to other Ops Mech's you find out that everyone is fixing their leaks and everything they do looks half assed, their numbers mean ****. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 47 minutes ago, Mike in Horseheads said: I saw enough TT at 12 makes this garbage Why didn't our analytic department tell us TT was good! Good stuff, I thought we needed a quarterback. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) PFF sucks. They dont take into account the opinions of the amazingly intelligent Bills fans. Edited January 11, 2018 by nedboy7 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Manther said: Why didn't our analytic department tell us TT was good! Good stuff, I thought we needed a quarterback. LOL somebody has to go from that department! I hope other teams don't see those rankings before we lock him up long term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 That's pretty ridiculous to be honest. I am not a TT hater as some of you here, but there is no way he is 12th. He should be at least top 10... Joking... On a serious note, He's probably around 22-24 in my opinion 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cmdjr85 Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 Pff ia pretty goos at what they do, and scott barratte one of their writers is on point. Ive had so much success this past season in the daily fantasy industry because of the stuff he writes. Ive also used pff tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said: I'm not a Tyrod-hater but I do believe this proves PFF looks at - and weighs things - wrongly. Their grades are pretty accurate but you have to understand how they get that final grade. Tyrod has few negative plays, which lifts his grade higher. Efficient QB play will grade high no matter what grading system is used. Edited January 12, 2018 by TheTruthHurts 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 13 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: Their grades are pretty accurate but you have to understand how they get that final grade. Tyrod has few negative plays, which lifts his grade higher. Efficient QB play will grade high no matter what grading system is used. Stop it. We dont need an efficient QB. Never mind we made the playoffs finally after 17 years. Clearly Tyrod is the worst qb to ever play the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, nedboy7 said: PFF sucks. They dont take into account the opinions of the amazingly intelligent Bills fans. Tyrod like really really really sucks though Taylor at 12 Cam at 26? Pff needs to unlinkable Iike old Bleacher Report stuff Edited January 12, 2018 by Teddy KGB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 If the Bills are interested in trading Tyrod, perhaps one of these money ball nerds will latch on to some of these stats and give up more then we expect. Hopefully someone like Mike Schopp gets hired to run a team in the NFL. That could probably solve 2 of our issues. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: Efficient QB play will grade high no matter what grading system is used. This. It's similar to the ESPN PER ratings for NBA players, where guys playing effectively in limited roles (like a 6th or 7th man) winds up with PER ratings up near the top of the league, even when they are only scoring 8-9ppg. Tyrod is an advanced metric darling, somebody who checks all the boxes for these ratings based on efficiency, but ultimately doesn't produce in a high level overall. Looking at that list I would take like 8+ guys below tyrod minimum. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 minute ago, SouthNYfan said: This. It's similar to the ESPN PER ratings for NBA players, where guys playing effectively in limited roles (like a 6th or 7th man) winds up with PER ratings up near the top of the league, even when they are only scoring 8-9ppg. Tyrod is an advanced metric darling, somebody who checks all the boxes for these ratings based on efficiency, but ultimately doesn't produce in a high level overall. Looking at that list I would take like 8+ guys below tyrod minimum. Doug Flutie criticized Rob Johnson for protecting his QB rating, I think that same criticism can be placed on Taylor. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: Doug Flutie criticized Rob Johnson for protecting his QB rating, I think that same criticism can be placed on Taylor. I remember that. Hard to throw interceptions when you don't throw the ball until somebody has a 5+ yard halo around them. Ironically, it's hard to throw TDs that way too, which, not surpassingly, Tyrod doesn't throw many of those either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 He's better than most of you guys think and he's worse than a few of you guys think. Welcome to TBD 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 hours ago, NewEraBills said: I'm not a big fan of PFF because there are some things they do not account for but here are the season-ending QB rankings. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/final-nfl-qb-rankings-by-pff-player-grades-2017 A team will be willing to offer their first-round pick for Taylor's services for sure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 This is awesome news! I hope this means he's worth no less than a second round pick when we trade him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadLandsMeanie Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 a notch down from Aaron Rodgers. Looks right to me. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Just now, BadLandsMeanie said: a notch down from Aaron Rodgers. Looks right to me. And better than Stafford, Bortles better than Goff, Cam 26th LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 The individual items PFF currently grades may be ok and (+ -) they may be grading them fairly well. However, the sum of their items doesn't seem to consistently make sense which may mean they need more (or different) items. As an example, maybe they should also be grading (not necessarily equally): - Placement - Best choice - Ball fakes - Timeliness Some of these would be subjective, though probably never as challenging as trying to figure out ESPN's (QBR). They seem to be pretty serious about their output, so I think their algorithm will continue to improve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 27 minutes ago, TheTruthHurts said: Doug Flutie criticized Rob Johnson for protecting his QB rating, I think that same criticism can be placed on Taylor. I remember that, Flute just wanted to win not pad the stats, it's what winners do. I agree with your post about the criticism. Edited January 12, 2018 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, billsfan11 said: That's pretty ridiculous to be honest. I am not a TT hater as some of you here, but there is no way he is 12th. He's probably around 22-24 in my opinion I would think about 30th-40th. 15 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: He's better than most of you guys think and he's worse than a few of you guys think. Welcome to TBD 2018. I hate Brady! I didn’t used too.....his actions have forced me to hate him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Does anyone think Beane will try to use this rating in negotiations for a trade?! Ha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 19 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: He's better than most of you guys think and he's worse than a few of you guys think. Welcome to TBD 2018. He's not the #12 best QB in football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 3 hours ago, NewEraBills said: I'm not a big fan of PFF because there are some things they do not account for but here are the season-ending QB rankings. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/final-nfl-qb-rankings-by-pff-player-grades-2017 Are they out of their minds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Cmdjr85 said: Pff ia pretty goos at what they do, and scott barratte one of their writers is on point. Ive had so much success this past season in the daily fantasy industry because of the stuff he writes. Ive also used pff tools. Getting people to read complete garbage online? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: I don't get these convoluted stats. I guess PFF stands for pretty funny facts...the eye test has him ranked in the bottom 5 with Bortles. Pretty Far Fetched is more like it 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 46 minutes ago, Manther said: I would think about 30th-40th. I hate Brady! I didn’t used too.....his actions have forced me to hate him! 30th to 40th? Come on man lol. So kizer, Trubisky, And siemian were better than Tyrod last year ? Edited January 12, 2018 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manther Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 5 minutes ago, billsfan11 said: 30th to 40th? Come on man lol. So kizer, Trubisky, And siemian were better than Tyrod last year ? Depends on how you are grading. But, I think I would prefer those QBs than Tyrod. If you take Shady's ability and gains vs other RBs AND look at the plays/yards/points TT leaves on the field. I think I would prefer almost anyone within reason. I think that within reason line is right about there with Kizer and Siemian. So, maybe I would have TT 25-35th then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, Manther said: Depends on how you are grading. But, I think I would prefer those QBs than Tyrod. If you take Shady's ability and gains vs other RBs AND look at the plays/yards/points TT leaves on the field. I think I would prefer almost anyone within reason. I think that within reason line is right about there with Kizer and Siemian. So, maybe I would have TT 25-35th then? Disagree with you but it’s all good. Everyone seems to have a different opinion on Tyrod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said: A team will be willing to offer their first-round pick for Taylor's services for sure! No question, if you're blind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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