billsfan89 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 4 hours ago, hondo in seattle said: I'm not a Tyrod-hater but I do believe this proves PFF looks at - and weighs things - wrongly. They have a unique method of analysis that often tries to look at things in a unique manner. It works really well in O-line and D-line measurements, I think it is solid in WR and RB analysis but QB's and secondary they need to adjust some metrics. I think Tyrod would rank somewhere between 18-25 depending on what you looked at and what your subjective analysis is. 12 is just insanely high, and I am not someone who hates Tyrod at all but that's just an insanely generous measurement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 PFF. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 6 hours ago, NewEraBills said: I'm not a big fan of PFF because there are some things they do not account for but here are the season-ending QB rankings. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/final-nfl-qb-rankings-by-pff-player-grades-2017 I think what this ranking says, is that the metrics PFF uses and the tools they develop support Fantasy Football, not the games that are actually played on Sunday 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 PFF grades are like DVOA. completely invented and meaningless to actual outcomes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 I'm a PFF subscriber, only to their basic package mind you, and they do a really good job. I find some of their statistical and analytical breakdowns extremely interesting. However, they are a single source of information that one should factor into judgments and evaluations. There are flaws to their methodology and there is still a high level of subjectiveness. If you accept that before you start looking at their stuff you will find some really good nuggets. I post my Quarterback rankings once annually in the offseason and I will do the same again this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasovon Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 It seems a little high i'd probably put Taylor about 15th because there is more to being a QB than throwing for 300 yards, protecting the ball and being able to throw under pressure are important too. We definitely need to improve as we need probably a top 5 QB to have any chance at our division til the Patriots* implode but we can have a 9-10 win season with Taylor and maybe win a playoff game. If we want more than that we need a new QB we all know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: A team will be willing to offer their first-round pick for Taylor's services for sure! Heh heh heh. Absolutely. Who wouldn't trade a first round pick for the 12th best player in the league, a guy who was apparently better than Matt Stafford, Jared Goff, Kirk Cousins and Derek Carr, according to this list. We might get a 1st and a 3rd. Hey, Tyrod was better than Goff, maybe the Rams would trade Goff for Tyrod!! Tyrod, Woods and Sammy together again!! Have to say, I really like PFF's OL grades a lot. Edited January 12, 2018 by Thurman#1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 10 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Heh heh heh. Absolutely. Who wouldn't trade a first round pick for the 12th best player in the league, a guy who was apparently better than Matt Stafford, Jared Goff, Kirk Cousins and Derek Carr, according to this list. We might get a 1st and a 3rd. Hey, Tyrod was better than Goff, maybe the Rams would trade Goff for Tyrod!! Tyrod, Woods and Sammy together again!! Have to say, I really like PFF's OL grades a lot. Carr did have a really poor year. I wouldn't argue that one as hard as I did Stafford, Cousins and Goff. I'm not surprised to see Carr low down the rankings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 10 hours ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Does anyone think Beane will try to use this rating in negotiations for a trade?! Ha A shame the metrics GM left Cleveland as maybe we could have passed Tyrod onto them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
y2zipper Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 This is efficiency-focused. Taylor will grade out highly in any effeciency-focused stats. What these miss is volume. I like to look at passer rating and ypa to judge QB play: YPA is the volume QB's push the ball down the field and rating covers the efficiency stuff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 The problem with PFF (and any kind of statistic measuring) when it comes to Tyrod Taylor, is that it doesn't account for situation. To make it simple, Taylor only likes to make safe throws. He doesn't throw it when guys aren't open. He relies mostly on check-downs. He likes to take off running when he's not confident with coverage. And when he goes deep, it's mostly sideline throws where a bad throw goes out of bounds. This means a relatively high completion percentage. It means virtually no interceptions or turnovers. In terms of PFF, it means very few negatively scored plays. The problem in REAL FOOTBALL is that an offense needs to score points. It's nice for a quaterback to be efficient and safe with the football. But at the end of the day, you can't have 5-6 games every season where scoring touchdowns is a problem. To be consistently successful as a quarterback, you sometimes need to put the ball in harms way. You need to be able to make that dangerous throw, as opposed to taking a sack, lofting the ball out of bounds or taking the check-down. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Jeez, did Tyrods mom write that article because they certainly didn't watch him this season. Like that second Jets game or the Saints game. Scoring 3 points against the Panthers, Patriots and the Jags As bad as Fitz could be at times he would at least take chances to throw the ball to score points. The 2017 Buffalo Bills= 31st in passing attempts, 31st in passing yards, 27th in passing TDs. 29th in total offense, 31st in passing offense, 31st in receiving. Only Chicago was worse. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 15 hours ago, PeterGriffin said: I guess teams will be burning up his cell phone to get him in and be their starter. No way we even let him out of the building Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: Carr did have a really poor year. I wouldn't argue that one as hard as I did Stafford, Cousins and Goff. I'm not surprised to see Carr low down the rankings. Yeah I'm with you here!! I mean I know it's only based on this past season. PFF isn't saying tyrod is better than anybody below him on THIS list, they are saying he had a "better season" based on his stats this year. I'd still take Carr with 3500 yards 22td 13 int vs Tyrod 2800 yds 14td 4int There was a stat in another thread that basically showed you have a much higher % of winning a game with 250+ yards 3td 2int than you do 150yards 1td 0int. Tyrod is effective at not turning the ball over, and has a high efficiency rating on his throws, because he waits until he has a "perfect window"... Even then he still c*cks it up often enough. Not gonna win, not gonna throw the TD, if you never pull the trigger. I can have a perfect driving record and never get in a car accident if I only drive up and down my driveway too, but guess what? I'll never get anywhere important. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 23 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Jeez, did Tyrods mom write that article because they certainly didn't watch him this season. Like that second Jets game or the Saints game. Scoring 3 points against the Panthers, Patriots and the Jags As bad as Fitz could be at times he would at least take chances to throw the ball to score points. The 2017 Buffalo Bills= 31st in passing attempts, 31st in passing yards, 27th in passing TDs. 29th in total offense, 31st in passing offense, 31st in receiving. Only Chicago was worse. But But Tyrod is ranked 12th in the league according to bsf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 12th?!?!? Bahahahahahaa Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 4 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: I can have a perfect driving record and never get in a car accident if I only drive up and down my driveway too, but guess what? I'll never get anywhere important. Hahahaha. Love that analogy. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Hahahaha. Love that analogy. Thanks Gunner:) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 13 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said: a notch down from Aaron Rodgers. Looks right to me. Lock him up long-term! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 16 hours ago, PeterGriffin said: I guess teams will be burning up his cell phone to get him in and be their starter. Just like last year .... weird how he ended up taking a pay cut to stay in Buffalo, isn't it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 28 minutes ago, Gugny said: Just like last year .... weird how he ended up taking a pay cut to stay in Buffalo, isn't it? Obviously it's because he's a "team first" kinda guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 9 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: Obviously it's because he's a "team first" kinda guy. As long as there's no discomfort. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Just now, Gugny said: As long as there's no discomfort. Yeah. Wouldn't want to upset cryrod. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 6 hours ago, joesixpack said: PFF grades are like DVOA. completely invented and meaningless to actual outcomes. When you're right, you're right 14 hours ago, BadLandsMeanie said: a notch down from Aaron Rodgers. Looks right to me. You're a Bad Man from those Bad Lands, Ginger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 these type of things do not measure the following ; Poor throws that keep yards after the catch way down Missing the early read then having the play blow up . a decent amount of his scrambles are a result of his holding the ball too long. Wrong reads. Great you complete a 5 yards pass but you left a 15 yarder on the field by throwing to the wrong guy making the run choice on a run /pass option and many more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 17 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I didn't see the stat that said in his playoff game against the Jags he was putrid garbage and lost a game that any decent QB would win. Can we find that stat? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baskingridgebillsfan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Just now, BeefCurtns said: I didn't see the stat that said in his playoff game against the Jags he was putrid garbage and lost a game that any decent QB would win. Can we find that stat? hopefully that stat comes in the form of a press release . The bills cut ties with Taylor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 1 minute ago, BeefCurtns said: I didn't see the stat that said in his playoff game against the Jags he was putrid garbage and lost a game that any decent QB would win. Can we find that stat? Shouldn't be hard to find. I'll look forward and leave the lament to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 19 hours ago, SouthNYfan said: He's not the #12 best QB in football. I agree. He's also better than a lot of QBs in football. Probably in between 16-21 imo and whether you like it or not, there are 32 starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 12 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: I agree. He's also better than a lot of QBs in football. Probably in between 16-21 imo and whether you like it or not, there are 32 starters. He's not even close to the 16th best qb 21 is a stretch, but a bit more reasonable I'd put him 24-27 He was 25th in yards. Guys I'd definitely take over him: Brady Rivers Stafford Brees Ben Ryan Cousins Alex Smith Wilson Goff Winston Carr Manning Dalton Newton Wentz Watson Mariota Flacco Garoppolo Rodgers Trubisky All guys who are either younger with more upside, already better than him, or veterans who are better Sorry he isn't "16-21" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albwan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 my god is some site going to claim that he is statistically better than brady next. gasp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 5 hours ago, BeefCurtns said: I didn't see the stat that said in his playoff game against the Jags he was putrid garbage and lost a game that any decent QB would win. Can we find that stat? Found it: JAX-10 BUF-3 FINAL 19 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: He's not even close to the 16th best qb 21 is a stretch, but a bit more reasonable I'd put him 24-27 He was 25th in yards. Guys I'd definitely take over him: Brady Rivers Stafford Brees Ben Ryan Cousins Alex Smith Wilson Goff Winston Carr Manning Dalton Newton Wentz Watson Mariota Flacco Garoppolo Rodgers Trubisky All guys who are either younger with more upside, already better than him, or veterans who are better Sorry he isn't "16-21" Luck Bradford Bridgewater Palmer (retired, but still played in 2017) Tannehill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest K-GunJimKelly12 Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 Newton 26, Watson 29, Taylor 12 and Bortles 17. Whatever metrics they are using at PFF to grade QB's are worthless. It makes you wonder if there is any value to any of there numbers at any position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 51 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: Found it: JAX-10 BUF-3 FINAL Luck Bradford Bridgewater Palmer (retired, but still played in 2017) Tannehill Forgot luck and Tanny Palmer I knew was retired but I even thought about him lol Bradford and Bridgewater are definitely better too Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 (edited) 3 hours ago, SouthNYfan said: He's not even close to the 16th best qb 21 is a stretch, but a bit more reasonable I'd put him 24-27 He was 25th in yards. Guys I'd definitely take over him: Brady Rivers Stafford Brees Ben Ryan Cousins Alex Smith Wilson Goff Winston Carr Manning Dalton Newton Wentz Watson Mariota Flacco Garoppolo Rodgers Trubisky All guys who are either younger with more upside, already better than him, or veterans who are better Sorry he isn't "16-21" You named one guy who was 13-15 TD/INT, another guy with 'upside' who was under 200 yards 9 out of 11 games with a 7 TD to 7 INT, and you didn't watch football if you want Winston. Mentioning Bridgewater is very funny as well. He's very similar to Tyrod. An extremely limited QB, hard worker, and can excel in the PERFECT situation. Listen, I'm the first guy on here that will tell you Tyrod ain't the franchise, but I'm also not a blind football fan. Also doesn't help when your OC and basically the entire organization were not scheming to your strengths, something the rest of the league does. Edited January 13, 2018 by Elite Poster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthNYfan Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: You named one guy who was 13-15 TD/INT, another guy with 'upside' who was under 200 yards 9 out of 11 games with a 7 TD to 7 INT, and you didn't watch football if you want Winston. Mentioning Bridgewater is very funny as well. He's very similar to Tyrod. An extremely limited QB, hard worker, and can excel in the PERFECT situation. Listen, I'm the first guy on here that will tell you Tyrod ain't the franchise, but I'm also not a blind football fan. Also doesn't help when your OC and basically the entire organization were not scheming to your strengths, something the rest of the league does. You are dense if you would take tyrod over Winston or Mariota. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: You named one guy who was 13-15 TD/INT, another guy with 'upside' who was under 200 yards 9 out of 11 games with a 7 TD to 7 INT, and you didn't watch football if you want Winston. Mentioning Bridgewater is very funny as well. He's very similar to Tyrod. An extremely limited QB, hard worker, and can excel in the PERFECT situation. Listen, I'm the first guy on here that will tell you Tyrod ain't the franchise, but I'm also not a blind football fan. Also doesn't help when your OC and basically the entire organization were not scheming to your strengths, something the rest of the league does. Mariota actually scores points and wins playoff games. ??♂️ 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoandfourteen Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 39 minutes ago, Elite Poster said: You named one guy who was 13-15 TD/INT, another guy with 'upside' who was under 200 yards 9 out of 11 games with a 7 TD to 7 INT, and you didn't watch football if you want Winston. Mentioning Bridgewater is very funny as well. He's very similar to Tyrod. An extremely limited QB, hard worker, and can excel in the PERFECT situation. Listen, I'm the first guy on here that will tell you Tyrod ain't the franchise, but I'm also not a blind football fan. Also doesn't help when your OC and basically the entire organization were not scheming to your strengths, something the rest of the league does. You are essentially asking for the Bills to run the Wishbone. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted January 13, 2018 Share Posted January 13, 2018 47 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: Mariota actually scores points and wins playoff games. ??♂️ So does Blake Bortles 58 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said: You are dense if you would take tyrod over Winston or Mariota. Evaluating the play of the QBs THIS YEAR, yes. Isn't that what the original article that rattled you so much is about? 22 minutes ago, twoandfourteen said: You are essentially asking for the Bills to run the Wishbone. No, I'm asking the Bills to run the 10th and 12th highest scoring offenses from the past two years when Tyrod is our starter and draft a QB for the future in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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