Buffalobillygoats Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Bills win first and foremost but man we got lucky on dat 2 pointer! I thought the game was over so I was gonna shut the tv off in disgust but then saw that they brought it back for a pick penalty which I thought was a good call but than saw dat it was within yd of the line of scrimmage like the announcer mentioned. We got a very lucky break they’re but who cares since we won and now only a game out of the playoffs!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTheTrust Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 After the countless times we have been shafted in the drought, we'll take the handful of lucky bounces we have had this year! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Buffalobillygoats said: Bills win first and foremost but man we got lucky on dat 2 pointer! I thought the game was over so I was gonna shut the tv off in disgust but then saw that they brought it back for a pick penalty which I thought was a good call but than saw dat it was within yd of the line of scrimmage like the announcer mentioned. We got a very lucky break they’re but who cares since we won and now only a game out of the playoffs!!! Initially I thought it was a horrible call then I have watched both replays a couple times. it was more clear on the XP but the Ball is snapped on the 2 yard line, the contact takes place at the Goalline (that is two yards) It was the same on the TD (looked closer to three yards on that contact, but I admit really hard to see for sure on that one) Edited December 11, 2017 by MAJBobby 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 We had our share of luck yesterday. That’s good because we can all name many games where we were unlucky. I think, as a whole, the Bills were the better team yesterday so the results were justified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 I don't see us making the playoffs but I am impressed with how McD has built this team. I have a feeling that it's only going to get better. I expect a rookie HC to make a few mistakes which McD has but I think he will be a good HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanMike Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 I'll take a win any day. I do have to say I thought the game was over when he caught that 2 point conversion pass. Whew! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 It was not luck. It was the right call. It's just too bad the Bills get them so rarely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: It was not luck. It was the right call. It's just too bad the Bills get them so rarely. No doubt it was the right call but the refs seem to let the boys play yesterday. Was there ever a game in Bills history with so few flags? I’m sure there were a lot of fouls the refs turned a blind eye to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 9 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: It was not luck. It was the right call. It's just too bad the Bills get them so rarely. Not only the right call: the Colts don’t score on that play without the illegal block. So spare me the “we were lucky” nonsense. (I don’t mean you.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SF Bills Fan Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 It was an illegal pick. The Colt player made no attempt to get open, he only illegally blocked our player. It was the right call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unclepete Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, SF Bills Fan said: It was an illegal pick. The Colt player made no attempt to get open, he only illegally blocked our player. It was the right call. Right call that's not often called. Benjamin clearly interfered with late in the game wasn't called. It's worth noting that we consistently get screwed by the refs and for once a call at a critical point in the game went our way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 5 minutes ago, SF Bills Fan said: It was an illegal pick. The Colt player made no attempt to get open, he only illegally blocked our player. It was the right call. They are allowed to block though (as long as it is within 1 yard of LOS) it was not 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 It was the right call and they were ignoring holding on that final drive anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Just now, Doc said: It was the right call and they were ignoring holding on that final drive anyway. Just like Richie's on the final TD? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Just now, MAJBobby said: Just like Richie's on the final TD? Good point Incognito has been called for holding on similar pancake blocks. Not sure why that is holding as he just pushes him from side and the guy falls. I guess the snow causing players to slide slip may have been a factor in those not being called holding in that game as there seemed to be a lot like that let go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 minute ago, MAJBobby said: Just like Richie's on the final TD? That was NOT holding on Richie! Come on man. His hand were inside the shoulder pads and the defender never made a move to the outside. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: That was NOT holding on Richie! Come on man. His hand were inside the shoulder pads and the defender never made a move to the outside. His left hand was outside the LBers right shoulder and there was a turn, lets not get all homerish now, Likely would never get called but was a hold 2 minutes ago, cba fan said: Good point Incognito has been called for holding on similar pancake blocks. Not sure why that is holding as he just pushes him from side and the guy falls. I guess the snow causing players to slide slip may have been a factor in those not being called holding in that game as there seemed to be a lot like that let go. I am talking the Hold on the LBer after the combo block Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cba fan Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: They are allowed to block though (as long as it is within 1 yard of LOS) it was not That is where this rule change(which I believe was put in to make Pats pick plays legal but that is another thread) goes off the rails. When it is a pass play then no WR should be able to pick anywhere. On a run play yes absolutely WR can block any witch way they need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 4 minutes ago, cba fan said: That is where this rule change(which I believe was put in to make Pats pick plays legal but that is another thread) goes off the rails. When it is a pass play then no WR should be able to pick anywhere. On a run play yes absolutely WR can block any witch way they need to. I get it and yes it was put in to make the Patriots rubs more clarified, but yep allows blocking on a pass play within one yard. Doesn't matter both these picks were outside 1 yard Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuco Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 13 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: They are allowed to block though (as long as it is within 1 yard of LOS) it was not I don't have it recorded but I would love to see it again. I thought I remember the contact being made at the goal line. That's 2 yards. Is it possible it only looked like 1 yard because the receivers were lined up off sides (people were off sides all day)? That could have made it look like only 1 yard. And maybe that's why they had to have a discussion before calling it. Just wish I could see it again. Somebody post it, LOL. Also worth mentioning, if the player continued to block beyond 1 yard before the pass it's also illegal even if the contact was made inside the 1 yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 1 minute ago, Tuco said: I don't have it recorded but I would love to see it again. I thought I remember the contact being made at the goal line. That's 2 yards. Is it possible it only looked like 1 yard because the receivers were lined up off sides (people were off sides all day)? That could have made it look like only 1 yard. And maybe that's why they had to have a discussion before calling it. Just wish I could see it again. Somebody post it, LOL. Also worth mentioning, if the player continued to block beyond 1 yard before the pass it's also illegal even if the contact was made inside the 1 yard. I have watched it many times, that was the correct call contact was made at the goaline (2 yards) The missed call was on the TD it was hard to see but it looked like contact was made about 3 yards away from the LOS on that one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 Ref's probably let it go on the first given the conditions. Seeing it a 2nd time warrants a penalty. It becomes intent at that point. We can thank Hyde for that. He said at his locker that he tried to fight through the first one but not the 2nd intentionally trying to draw the flag. Heads up play. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 why would someone replace the word that, with dat? it makes me want to put my fist through the screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Initially I thought it was a horrible call then I have watched both replays a couple times. it was more clear on the XP but the Ball is snapped on the 2 yard line, the contact takes place at the Goalline (that is two yards) It was the same on the TD (looked closer to three yards on that contact, but I admit really hard to see for sure on that one) My man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 2 hours ago, ProcessTheTrust said: After the countless times we have been shafted in the drought, we'll take the handful of lucky bounces we have had this year! Same here. I thought: the Colts just out Bills-ed the Bills. 21 minutes ago, kota said: Ref's probably let it go on the first given the conditions. Seeing it a 2nd time warrants a penalty. It becomes intent at that point. We can thank Hyde for that. He said at his locker that he tried to fight through the first one but not the 2nd intentionally trying to draw the flag. Heads up play. Hyde is money. The guy is a great FA acquisition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 3 hours ago, Buffalobillygoats said: Bills win first and foremost but man we got lucky on dat 2 pointer! I thought the game was over so I was gonna shut the tv off in disgust but then saw that they brought it back for a pick penalty which I thought was a good call but than saw dat it was within yd of the line of scrimmage like the announcer mentioned. We got a very lucky break they’re but who cares since we won and now only a game out of the playoffs!!! For the hundredth time it was the right call according to the NFL rule book, if the ball is in the air there can BE NO BLOCKING PAST THE LOS The ball was in the air and he was still blocking Hyde 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 3 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Initially I thought it was a horrible call then I have watched both replays a couple times. it was more clear on the XP but the Ball is snapped on the 2 yard line, the contact takes place at the Goalline (that is two yards) It was the same on the TD (looked closer to three yards on that contact, but I admit really hard to see for sure on that one) This was my take as well. LOS is 2 yard line. Block was in the EZ, beyond 1 yard. NEVER take the announcers word on anything IMHO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 3 hours ago, MAJBobby said: Initially I thought it was a horrible call then I have watched both replays a couple times. it was more clear on the XP but the Ball is snapped on the 2 yard line, the contact takes place at the Goalline (that is two yards) It was the same on the TD (looked closer to three yards on that contact, but I admit really hard to see for sure on that one) He was also fully blocking the player. It makes it easier to make the call when he makes no attempt to run a route. Since it was in the shoveled goal line area, it would have to be beyond a yard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 3 hours ago, MAJBobby said: They are allowed to block though (as long as it is within 1 yard of LOS) it was not I watched it a bunch of times and it seemed to me that he initiated contact at around the 1.5-2 yard line. It was definitely in front of the goal line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 5 hours ago, Binghamton Beast said: No doubt it was the right call but the refs seem to let the boys play yesterday. Was there ever a game in Bills history with so few flags? I’m sure there were a lot of fouls the refs turned a blind eye to. Felt the same way Beast. As I was sitting in my den oiling up my thighs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 The penalty on the 2 point conversion was a good example of the luck and help many declare the Bills never receive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 10 minutes ago, Fadingpain said: The penalty on the 2 point conversion was a good example of the luck and help many declare the Bills never receive. No luck. It was the correct call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted December 11, 2017 Share Posted December 11, 2017 It was the right call but after a lifetime of calls going against us and costing us games i was surprised we had one that saved us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) The NFL rule book says that any forward contact past the LOS with a defensive player that prevents him from making a play on the ball thrown past the line of scrimmage is pass interference by the offense...I'm not sure where this 1 yard rule is coming in from because there is no where in the actual rule book that states that. Also, if Aiken would have just stood there and not actively blocked Gaines the result likely would have been the same because Gaines was trying to switch to cover Doyle and there is no way he would have gotten there in the snow even with Aiken just standing in front of him. It was a dumb play by Aiken to block him when he didn't even need to, it would have worked by him just being in the way and running a route or standing there. Edited December 12, 2017 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Doc Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, matter2003 said: The NFL rule book says that any forward contact past the LOS with a defensive player that prevents him from making a play on the ball thrown past the line of scrimmage is pass interference by the offense...I'm not sure where this 1 yard rule is coming in from because there is no where in the actual rule book that states that. Also, if Aiken would have just stood there and not actively blocked Gaines the result likely would have been the same because Gaines was trying to switch to cover Doyle and there is no way he would have gotten there in the snow even with Aiken just standing in front of him. It was a dumb play by Aiken to block him when he didn't even need to, it would have worked by him just being in the way and running a route or standing there. I have no idea why this would even a rule. But I recall Tommy Boy lobbying the zebras to ignore a pick because it was within 1 yard of the LOS, and winning it. 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Total BS. Aiken is blocking Gaines all the way to the goalline and in the endzone (see the clear line on the field? that's the endzone folks) before the ball even gets there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pennstate10 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Aiken said he was trying to break press coverage. Watch the video. Hmmmm...like I used to say to my kids "God knows when you're lying" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I'm not splitting hairs here, but it was an "iffy" call...........that miraculously went our way, surprisingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, Sweats said: I'm not splitting hairs here, but it was an "iffy" call...........that miraculously went our way, surprisingly. Wasn't iffy at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Doc said: Wasn't iffy at all. I agree it was a blatant pick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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