MAJBobby Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 (edited) Skip their Bowl Games? What is your opinion of this is there an argument that can be made to pass on them? Mine is these top end players should skip. Example what happens to Mayfield if he destroys his knee after being off the football field for a couple weeks on the Awards circuit? or Barkley goes all Chubb and demolishes his knee? IMO they owe the schools nothing at this point are risking their future so the Schools and Conferences can bank one last money grab and for what a gift bag? Edited December 9, 2017 by MAJBobby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 I don't see how this could help them or be viewed as a good thing. I get the injury angle but the downside is how they'd be viewed by prospective teams. In addition, these players play against inferior teams a decent amount of time and playing well in a bowl against better competition is sometimes how decisions on players are made. It's more important for them to show out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 I don’t care if a prospect skips a bowl game and it isnt a good enough reason to pass on a prospect 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 9, 2017 Author Share Posted December 9, 2017 32 minutes ago, White Linen said: I don't see how this could help them or be viewed as a good thing. I get the injury angle but the downside is how they'd be viewed by prospective teams. In addition, these players play against inferior teams a decent amount of time and playing well in a bowl against better competition is sometimes how decisions on players are made. It's more important for them to show out. I dont buy that actually. So it is important on how Josh Rosen looks in the Catus Bowl against Kansas St? so if he skips that Bowl game does he take a hit from teams? (He actually might because he is the QB ans his comments against the NCAA actually) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 Of course not!! I’d encourage guys to skip their bowl games. 48 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Skip their Bowl Games? What is your opinion of this is there an argument that can be made to pass on them? Mine is these top end players should skip. Example what happens to Mayfield if he destroys his knee after being off the football field for a couple weeks on the Awards circuit? or Barkley goes all Chubb and demolishes his knee? IMO they owe the schools nothing at this point are risking their future so the Schools and Conferences can bank one last money grab and for what a gift bag? Agreed (unless you are in the playoff). I get it then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted December 9, 2017 Share Posted December 9, 2017 5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I dont buy that actually. So it is important on how Josh Rosen looks in the Catus Bowl against Kansas St? so if he skips that Bowl game does he take a hit from teams? (He actually might because he is the QB ans his comments against the NCAA actually) Yes it actually is, IMO. Bet your butt Mayfield needs to play in that game. At his height he better show what he'll look like against the best NCAA has to offer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo86 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: Skip their Bowl Games? What is your opinion of this is there an argument that can be made to pass on them? Mine is these top end players should skip. Example what happens to Mayfield if he destroys his knee after being off the football field for a couple weeks on the Awards circuit? or Barkley goes all Chubb and demolishes his knee? IMO they owe the schools nothing at this point are risking their future so the Schools and Conferences can bank one last money grab and for what a gift bag? Just wondering, is this an issue, or are you just curious in case it happens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 33 minutes ago, White Linen said: Yes it actually is, IMO. Bet your butt Mayfield needs to play in that game. At his height he better show what he'll look like against the best NCAA has to offer. Baker should 100% play, but that's a National Championship he has to play for. Rosen? I don't think it hurts his top 2 chances if he doesn't play and it would kill his chances if he went out and got seriously hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Its football. Injuries happen people said Luck should skip his entire RS JR year and then enter the draft Baker doesn't have much to lose by playing. He is a late first - early second round guy. If he blows out his knee he will still go top 2-3 rounds Jaylon smith did nerve damage to his knee and was still taken in the second Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 The plain truth is, the skipping of bowl games is not going to hurt the draftability of draft prospects. As a GM, I wouldn't figure into my draft board in the east whether or not a prospect plays in or skips his college's bowl game. I don't like to see the skipping though. I understand the risk issues, but it the "me" attitude is pervasive in society and threatens a lot of things that have been very good for a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 I don't think that it should mean they would or should pass on a player. If a player didn't skip , however it would tell me something a bit more about that player . I'd likely give that player a higher mark for character than a player that skipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theshallowcross Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, White Linen said: I don't see how this could help them or be viewed as a good thing. I get the injury angle but the downside is how they'd be viewed by prospective teams. In addition, these players play against inferior teams a decent amount of time and playing well in a bowl against better competition is sometimes how decisions on players are made. It's more important for them to show out. It didn't hurt Fournette or McCaffrey when they skipped their bowl games last year. Both guys went top 8. Missing one bowl game doesn't make 24-48 games of film go away. These kids have millions of dollars on the line. While I'd personally rather them play, I most certainly understand when they decide not to. Edited December 10, 2017 by Theshallowcross Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 If they thought they were no worse than a third round pick, there is no way they should play a Bowl game unless it is the playoff. The players put enough on tape to be evaluated. If the school pays for the insurance policy, maybe they should consider playing. There is just too much to risk and little up-side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8-8 Forever? Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 8 hours ago, White Linen said: Yes it actually is, IMO. Bet your butt Mayfield needs to play in that game. At his height he better show what he'll look like against the best NCAA has to offer. yep. Mayfield is too short for the NFL. I want 6-3 or better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 It's become a trend to miss if they are already seen as a top pick. Safer to be at Senior Bowl and evaluated there. Remember what happened to the ND kid who blew out his knee in their Bowl game. At least took a chance on him. I'm hopeful he has a nice career as much as I hate Dallas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM57 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 2 hours ago, 8-8 Forever? said: yep. Mayfield is too short for the NFL. I want 6-3 or better. Oh 6'3 is the threshold? Russ Wilson, Drew Brees, Dak Prescott and Aaron Rodgers say hi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Only if the prospect plays for Oklahoma, Bama, Clemson or Georgia. That would give me some doubt as to the player’s character in terms of loyalty to their teammates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jpsredemption Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Well don't forget McDermott and Beane are culture guys so this will mean passing on plenty of good talents because of work ethic, character concerns. We will see how far they get..my guess is not very. It's a coaches job to make players buy in....obviously this is asking too much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 4 hours ago, 8-8 Forever? said: yep. Mayfield is too short for the NFL. I want 6-3 or better. This line of thinking is part of the reason why were still in QB purgatory!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) Who cares what they do at that point. Question is: Can they help us win a Super Bowl? Yes? Draft that Mofo. Edited December 10, 2017 by KGun12TD 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 18 minutes ago, Jpsredemption said: Well don't forget McDermott and Beane are culture guys so this will mean passing on plenty of good talents because of work ethic, character concerns. We will see how far they get..my guess is not very. It's a coaches job to make players buy in....obviously this is asking too much. I completely disagree ! What's asking too much - is giving your new HC about 3 years or less to build this team in to playoff contender , and then dictating/or having any influence on which players he needs to get !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 14 hours ago, klos63 said: Just wondering, is this an issue, or are you just curious in case it happens? I have read a couple places that it turns teams off when it started happening a couple years ago. Not sure if it is a wide spread or even here in Buffalo that it does. But with the DNA and Earn it stuff from this regime makes me wonder if skipping a Bowl Game would matter to them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick Bay Chad Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Anyone who skips a bowl game is selfish, money hunger person. No need for them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 14 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: Its football. Injuries happen people said Luck should skip his entire RS JR year and then enter the draft Baker doesn't have much to lose by playing. He is a late first - early second round guy. If he blows out his knee he will still go top 2-3 rounds Jaylon smith did nerve damage to his knee and was still taken in the second And some guys do fall out of day 2 with injury. Each injury, player and gm is different even a minor slide from 5 to 7 on a handful of qb boards can bounce you pretty far (or change nothing in other cases) 52 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I have read a couple places that it turns teams off when it started happening a couple years ago. Not sure if it is a wide spread or even here in Buffalo that it does. But with the DNA and Earn it stuff from this regime makes me wonder if skipping a Bowl Game would matter to them Its a fair debate. two equal prospects and one makes business decisions and the other runs through brick walls every Saturday simply because he loves the game- which do you take? how far does the other one drop? A couple slots? Pull him completely? I think the guy that sits ends up losing all “tie breakers” but wouldn’t drop him behind clearly lesser players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 12 minutes ago, Dunkirk Don said: Anyone who skips a bowl game is selfish, money hunger person. No need for them What an asnine take 10 minutes ago, NoSaint said: And some guys do fall out of day 2 with injury. Each injury, player and gm is different even a minor slide from 5 to 7 on a handful of qb boards can bounce you pretty far (or change nothing in other cases) Its a fair debate. two equal prospects and one makes business decisions and the other runs through brick walls every Saturday simply because he loves the game- which do you take? how far does the other one drop? A couple slots? Pull him completely? I think the guy that sits ends up losing all “tie breakers” but wouldn’t drop him behind clearly lesser players Yeah i can get on boar with that. 5 equally graded players the guy that sits the bowl would lose out to the other 4. I think that is the extent I am taking any downgrade though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 hour ago, Dunkirk Don said: Anyone who skips a bowl game is selfish, money hunger person. No need for them There's always one. The NFL is a business, first and foremost and no amount of high horse judgement will ever change that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 (edited) ...any idea what would happen to this place if OBD tagged guys pre-draft with "no thanks" for skipping bowl game and YOUR guy(s) were right there when Buffalo picked but passed?....oh boy......should be a REAL boon to season tix sales......... Edited December 10, 2017 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 2 hours ago, NoSaint said: And some guys do fall out of day 2 with injury. Each injury, player and gm is different even a minor slide from 5 to 7 on a handful of qb boards can bounce you pretty far (or change nothing in other cases) Its a fair debate. two equal prospects and one makes business decisions and the other runs through brick walls every Saturday simply because he loves the game- which do you take? how far does the other one drop? A couple slots? Pull him completely? I think the guy that sits ends up losing all “tie breakers” but wouldn’t drop him behind clearly lesser players For sure some injuries can change the game but when top top prospects get hurt it usually doesn't slide them from the first to the 6th a fringe Prospect who gets injured can be taken off boards entirely though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan714 Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Anybody remember Melvin Bratton for the U, i wouldnt hold it against anybody for skipping a bowl game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chadwick Bay Chad Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 We need character players. People that love the game more than their paycheck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Bills should look at all prospects. They should be judged primarily on their college career in the games they played. The combine matters to a degree, but it's what they do on the field. Whether or not they play in a bowl game doesn't matter. If they have 24 games or more of on field experience, that's what they should go off of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 So they should not...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted December 10, 2017 Share Posted December 10, 2017 Could you imagine if a pending UFA skipped the NFL playoffs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 10, 2017 Author Share Posted December 10, 2017 1 minute ago, Binghamton Beast said: Could you imagine if a pending UFA skipped the NFL playoffs? Yeah too bad it doesnt work that way Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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