Denver Gift

[billsfan_34]

methinks it was sarcasm.

Hard to tell in a post but he gets a pass then- cheers and what a great win!

[Bronxbomber21]

This. And turnovers are part of every game in the NFL and usually are the deciding factor. Better let the OP know that. By the way OP, Houston dropped a game ending pick from Brady yesterday.

exactly two plays is the difference between the bills being 3-0 and the pats being 1-2 why is it that that the bills were lucky but the pats werent? Edited September 25, 2017 by Bronxbomber21

[billsfan_34]

 

Agree. The refs are supposed to try to curb behavior that could lead to more trouble ... and that looked like an action on Miller's part that could have escalated into something nasty later.

 

One thing I'm wondering about is how much of a role the heat and humidity played in seeming to take the fight out of the Broncos defense in the second half. I was expecting that D to come out roaring, but it just wasn't anything like the defense in the previous two games ... and it was worse in the second half.

 

It gets hot in Denver, but the city generally has low humidity. It's also at a high elevation, which is always a plus for Denver at home. I would think that the humidity and higher air pressure because of the lower elevation might have been somewhat draining on the Donkeys, especially their front seven as the game progressed.

About 7 minutes left in the game, during a commercial time out, many of the Broncos D had hands on hips, kneeling down, or were bent over- they were completely spent.

[JerseyBills]

Very happy about the outcome of the game. But Denver really screwed up.

 

• Failed fake punt - dumb
• Interception #1 - awful
• Interception #2 - even worse
• Von Miller penalty - freebie from the zebra

I liked the outcome because normally we are the ones doing dumb things or not getting calls. But have you seen two worse interceptions than the ones Trevor Siemian made? That was sandlot worthy. Who does a fake punt in that situation? The Miller penalty was a no call. I also doubt that when the winds start blowing we are going to see two 53+ yard field goals again.

 

Good coaches like the Hoodie and QB's like Matt Ryan and Tom Brady do not make those kind of mistakes. Need to see more before buying Super Bowl tickets.

 

Sincerely,

Debbie Downer

The same Matt Ryan that had 3 ints yesterday?

The same refs that gifted Denver's only TD drive with 2 questionable calls for 30 yards and missed a clear holding on their lone TD?

We won a tough , competitive game, nothing flukey about it.

 

Sincerely,

Realist

[Mat68]

I think the point the OP is making is although we played well, Denver made a ton of dumb uncharacteristic mistakes and without those maybe it's a different outcome. So pump the brakes on us being a good team all of a sudden. It's a long season and we haven't even played the tough teams yet

 

This is the opposite side of the same inconsequential argument. "If it wasn't for this bad call, or this bad play we would have won." Joseph had the option of not going for the fake punt knowing the risk he did it anyway. The White interception, Siemian had the option to either take a sack or take an intentional grounding penalty. In my opinion he was trying to throw it away and have the ball get to the line of scrimmage. In the NFL that is the difference of winning vs losing. For 17 years we held onto the notion that we are not that bad a football team because we always had the bad break. I believe Bruschi said it best "Turnovers/lucky plays in the NFL are made when preparation meets opportunity. Its 1 game but Buffalo made the plays for a change, in the second half there were a few defensive questionable penalties go against them but still found a way to win. A gift win would have been last week in Carolina almost got that one.

Edited September 25, 2017 by Mat68

[KDIGGZ]

Denver is not a tough team?

3rd best team in their own divison and most likely not a playoff team like last year. So no. They were 1 game above .500 and we were 1 game below .500. Pretty even matchup and thus a 3 point spread. Let's beat a team like Atlanta and then we can talk

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

Who is saying their Super Bowl contenders after this win?

 

Yeah the Miller was a freebie but the Charles TD run was an egregious hold that wasn't called. Instead of a TD, they are backed up 10 yards.

Washington's hands weren't in the offensive lineman's face. That was a freebie for Denver.

 

Haushka made those field goals with about 10 yards clearance.

 

You're acting like the Bills had all the calls and Denver didn't.

 

Bottom line, we won comfortably at the end.

It was 7 flags apiece around halftime. Then Denver started racking them up.

8 for Bills 10 for Denver

3rd best team in their own divison and most likely not a playoff team like last year. So no. They were 1 game above .500 and we were 1 game below .500. Pretty even matchup and thus a 3 point spread. Let's beat a team like Atlanta and then we can talk

Denvers D is solid. It came down to which Siemian we were facing. We got the Good in the first half and the very Bad in the 2nd half.

 

Worked out OK

The same Matt Ryan that had 3 ints yesterday?

The same refs that gifted Denver's only TD drive with 2 questionable calls for 30 yards and missed a clear holding on their lone TD?

We won a tough , competitive game, nothing flukey about it.

 

Sincerely,

Realist

My 2 cents

Wow

Sure refs miss calls on both sides. That's not the point.

The Bills were the better team yesterday.

 

Matt Ryan had a bad day. Tom Brady has had multiple 3 int games and IIRC against the Bills 4 of them.

 

Bad days happen to the better QBs

Edited September 25, 2017 by ShadyBillsFan

[starrymessenger]

Bills were the better team yesterday. Thats why they won.

[Big Turk]

Very happy about the outcome of the game. But Denver really screwed up.

 

• Failed fake punt - dumb
• Interception #1 - awful
• Interception #2 - even worse
• Von Miller penalty - freebie from the zebra

I liked the outcome because normally we are the ones doing dumb things or not getting calls. But have you seen two worse interceptions than the ones Trevor Siemian made? That was sandlot worthy. Who does a fake punt in that situation? The Miller penalty was a no call. I also doubt that when the winds start blowing we are going to see two 53+ yard field goals again.

 

Good coaches like the Hoodie and QB's like Matt Ryan and Tom Brady do not make those kind of mistakes. Need to see more before buying Super Bowl tickets.

 

Sincerely,

Debbie Downer

QBs do throw bad INTs when they have defenders swarming around them.

[Punching Bag]

I liked the outcome because normally we are the ones doing dumb things or not getting calls. But have you seen two worse interceptions than the ones Trevor Siemian made? That was sandlot worthy. Who does a fake punt in that situation? The Miller penalty was a no call. I also doubt that when the winds start blowing we are going to see two 53+ yard field goals again.

 

Many poster "experts" if they could would have made the call and would have done a fake punt in that situation but of course no one is offering to pay for their opinions. If only teams hired coaching staff from fans like Detroit did with GM from media.

If you really think about it, it's an embarrassing win.

 

Yes especially if you were hoping for Bills to lose. Well you can always choose Bills again next week in elimination pool.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

Bills were the better team yesterday. Thats why they won.

 

...uh oh.....a voice of reason like this may not be well received......go figure...Jesus.......

[buffaloboyinATL]

its a board joke that goes back to the 2014 season. Bills beat Vikes on last second TD and there was a big thread titled "Embarrassing Win"! because Vikes weren't good and Bills just barely won at home.

Gotcha. I've been here that long, I just didn't remember that one. 😜

[Punching Bag]

its a board joke that goes back to the 2014 season. Bills beat Vikes on last second TD and there was a big thread titled "Embarrassing Win"! because Vikes weren't good and Bills just barely won at home.

 

It may be a joke but non a funny one,

[Bills Pimpin']

3rd best team in their own divison and most likely not a playoff team like last year. So no. They were 1 game above .500 and we were 1 game below .500. Pretty even matchup and thus a 3 point spread. Let's beat a team like Atlanta and then we can talk

Denver was undefeated, just trounced the Cowboys, everyone was sucking off their QB and saying they had the best defense in the league. After the Bills beat them they aren't a tough team and probably won't make the playoffs? But of course if they beat the Bills they would still be undefeated, leading the division, a lock for the playoffs and one of the best teams in the AFC with an incredible rookie HC. Very few people thought the Bills would even compete this week and they handled them with relative ease and people downplay it. Crazy.

Also, the Bills were a 3 point dog at home which every knows if they played at Denver they would have been 7 point dogs, about the same as they are to the Falcons.

Denver is a good team and it was a great win, regardless what happens next week.

[Virgil]

Very happy about the outcome of the game. But Denver really screwed up.

 

• Failed fake punt - dumb
• Interception #1 - awful
• Interception #2 - even worse
• Von Miller penalty - freebie from the zebra

I liked the outcome because normally we are the ones doing dumb things or not getting calls. But have you seen two worse interceptions than the ones Trevor Siemian made? That was sandlot worthy. Who does a fake punt in that situation? The Miller penalty was a no call. I also doubt that when the winds start blowing we are going to see two 53+ yard field goals again.

 

Good coaches like the Hoodie and QB's like Matt Ryan and Tom Brady do not make those kind of mistakes. Need to see more before buying Super Bowl tickets.

 

Sincerely,

Debbie Downer

Sorry, but this is horse ****. They went for the fake punt, threw crap ints because they were desperate and shutting them down. They needed to make a comeback and we were in their face. They tried to pick on White and he shut that **** down.

 

I can be a downer as much as anyone, but we straight up took this win from them. It was earned and forced them to play from behind. Its easy to play conservative and make safe throws when you are up.

Edited September 25, 2017 by Virgil

[Nick the Greek]

You forgot the tip by Zay stone hands Jones to Andre Holmes for a TD. Pure luck.

this^^^

 

Holmes get credit for being in the right place at the right time.. but this is pure luck.

[John from Riverside]

Very happy about the outcome of the game. But Denver really screwed up.

 

1. Failed fake punt - dumb
2. Interception #1 - awful
3. Interception #2 - even worse
4. Von Miller penalty - freebie from the zebra

 

I liked the outcome because normally we are the ones doing dumb things or not getting calls. But have you seen two worse interceptions than the ones Trevor Siemian made? That was sandlot worthy. Who does a fake punt in that situation? The Miller penalty was a no call. I also doubt that when the winds start blowing we are going to see two 53+ yard field goals again.

 

Good coaches like the Hoodie and QB's like Matt Ryan and Tom Brady do not make those kind of mistakes. Need to see more before buying Super Bowl tickets.

 

Sincerely,

Debbie Downer

So we are supposed to feel bad that another team lost the game

 

Usually thats us

[YattaOkasan]

this^^^

 

Holmes get credit for being in the right place at the right time.. but this is pure luck.

Is it bad luck then that on the play before Tolbert couldn't just catch and walk in. Honestly both plays would be executed a high percentage of the time. Having both plays go sideways seems very flukey

[KDIGGZ]

Denver was undefeated, just trounced the Cowboys, everyone was sucking off their QB and saying they had the best defense in the league. After the Bills beat them they aren't a tough team and probably won't make the playoffs? But of course if they beat the Bills they would still be undefeated, leading the division, a lock for the playoffs and one of the best teams in the AFC with an incredible rookie HC. Very few people thought the Bills would even compete this week and they handled them with relative ease and people downplay it. Crazy.

Also, the Bills were a 3 point dog at home which every knows if they played at Denver they would have been 7 point dogs, about the same as they are to the Falcons.

Denver is a good team and it was a great win, regardless what happens next week.

If you thought that about Denver then good for you but most did not feel that way and they definitely don't now if they did. Denver is without question the 3rd best team in their division. KC and Raiders are much better teams. This is Siemian's 2nd year and he's a nobody. He basically handed us that game. Just like us QB play is Denver's achilles heel. Neither of us can compete with the teams with QB's

[Bills Pimpin']

If you thought that about Denver then good for you but most did not feel that way and they definitely don't now if they did. Denver is without question the 3rd best team in their division. KC and Raiders are much better teams. This is Siemian's 2nd year and he's a nobody. He basically handed us that game. Just like us QB play is Denver's achilles heel. Neither of us can compete with the teams with QB's

I'm not sure Denver is the third best team. I think the Raiders will have a tough time winning in Denver and their defense is crap. And No way Siemian handed us that game. The defense took it and Tyrod played great.

[CNY315]

3rd best team in their own divison and most likely not a playoff team like last year. So no. They were 1 game above .500 and we were 1 game below .500. Pretty even matchup and thus a 3 point spread. Let's beat a team like Atlanta and then we can talk

Oakland didn't look good at all last night

Edited September 25, 2017 by CNY315

[Alphadawg7]

If you thought that about Denver then good for you but most did not feel that way and they definitely don't now if they did. Denver is without question the 3rd best team in their division. KC and Raiders are much better teams. This is Siemian's 2nd year and he's a nobody. He basically handed us that game. Just like us QB play is Denver's achilles heel. Neither of us can compete with the teams with QB's

 

Wait a minute...Denver is worse than the Raiders because we beat them yet the Raiders just utterly destroyed by the Redskins and are somehow better than Denver still?

 

Geezus...this logic around is beyond ridiculous. The Raiders game was one of the most in your face beat downs I have ever seen. The only reason Oakland even scored was because of a turnover put them in scoring position. They couldn't run, couldn't pass, couldng block, couldn't do anything on offense...against the Redskins D which is not as talented as the Broncos.

 

Cant even believe people are trying to downplay what a great win this was for the Bills. Just ridiculous

[Virgil]

If you thought that about Denver then good for you but most did not feel that way and they definitely don't now if they did. Denver is without question the 3rd best team in their division. KC and Raiders are much better teams. This is Siemian's 2nd year and he's a nobody. He basically handed us that game. Just like us QB play is Denver's achilles heel. Neither of us can compete with the teams with QB's

The Raiders? Did you seem them get absolutely manhandled by the Redskins who have a subpar defense and all new Wr on offense? I like the Raiders, but they are not clearly better.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

If you really think about it, it's an embarrassing win.

 

In fact, if you really really think about it, it's really a symbolic loss!

The Raiders? Did you seem them get absolutely manhandled by the Redskins who have a subpar defense and all new Wr on offense? I like the Raiders, but they are not clearly better.

 

What's up with Derek Carr? He was all wonder-boy last year, Mr Breakthrough, 28 TD 6 INT. It's not like his play has been awful so far, but man, last night he looked like Bambi facing the forest fire or something.

[Irv]

In my original post, I tried not to focus on the Bills performance, rather on how BAD the Broncos played and how BAD they were coached. But we weren't that good. We really never got the running or passing game going. The ricochet TD was total fluke luck. Can't pay that way against good teams with all the freebies the Broncos gave us. We got a gift. They don't give out a lot of gifts in the NFL. Let's see if Ryan throws three INT's this week. Doubtful.

 

In fact, if you really really think about it, it's really a symbolic loss!

 

What's up with Derek Carr? He was all wonder-boy last year, Mr Breakthrough, 28 TD 6 INT. It's not like his play has been awful so far, but man, last night he looked like Bambi facing the forest fire or something.

 

 

Bold = Very funny A+

Edited September 26, 2017 by Badthingsman

[Scott7975]

If you thought that about Denver then good for you but most did not feel that way and they definitely don't now if they did. Denver is without question the 3rd best team in their division. KC and Raiders are much better teams. This is Siemian's 2nd year and he's a nobody. He basically handed us that game. Just like us QB play is Denver's achilles heel. Neither of us can compete with the teams with QB's

So before the game you predicted Denver would dominate us. Now that we beat them Denver is a bunch of nobodies and we are all crazy for thinking Denver was good.

[PromoTheRobot]

If you take away all the wins the Patriots earned because the other teams screwed up, they'd be the Browns.

 

In other words: no one cares how you win. Earned or gifted, they count the same.

[YoloinOhio]

 

In fact, if you really really think about it, it's really a symbolic loss!

 

 

What's up with Derek Carr? He was all wonder-boy last year, Mr Breakthrough, 28 TD 6 INT. It's not like his play has been awful so far, but man, last night he looked like Bambi facing the forest fire or something.

there are no moral losses. Unless you are the Bills.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

No wonder I haven't been able to sleep well the last few nights.

[John from Riverside]

I think that it is interesting we are literally one zay jones drop from being 3-0

[Big Turk]

Im not embarrassed. At least one of those interceptions came as a result of intense pressure on the QB and in the past, fake punts like that have worked and ruined an otherwise good game. And calls like the one on Miller have gone against us. You make your own luck in this league by doing most of the fundamental things right. I am proud, not embarrassed.

 

Robey's phantom PI call against Jacksonville and Hughes getting a 15 yard penalty for smacking his own teammates helmet after a sack come to mind...

 

In my original post, I tried not to focus on the Bills performance, rather on how BAD the Broncos played and how BAD they were coached. But we weren't that good. We really never got the running or passing game going. The ricochet TD was total fluke luck. Can't pay that way against good teams with all the freebies the Broncos gave us. We got a gift. They don't give out a lot of gifts in the NFL. Let's see if Ryan throws three INT's this week. Doubtful.

 

Why not, he did this past week against the Lions...

 

you want to talk about luck? Atlanta's lucky they aren't 1-2...Should have lost opening day at Chicago and Lions got a raw deal when they overturned Tate's last second TD and ruled him down at the half yard line this past week.

 

And I guess New England wasn't lucky when that Texans safety dropped a picked when he landed on the ground right before Brady threw that TD to win it...nope...nothing "lucky" about that...Brady must have put some type of super spin on the ball where only his player knew how to catch it right??

 

It is so irritating when people try so hard to act like no other team in the NFL EVER has anything "lucky" happen to them...as if the Bills are the ONLY team to be beneficieries of a player not playing well or making a bad throw.

Edited September 26, 2017 by matter2003

[Bills Pimpin']

In my original post, I tried not to focus on the Bills performance, rather on how BAD the Broncos played and how BAD they were coached. But we weren't that good. We really never got the running or passing game going. The ricochet TD was total fluke luck. Can't pay that way against good teams with all the freebies the Broncos gave us. We got a gift. They don't give out a lot of gifts in the NFL. Let's see if Ryan throws three INT's this week. Doubtful.

 

You must not watch much NFL football.

1. Teams win every week by playing good defense and forcing the opposition into bad decisions and turnovers.

2. WR's are getting better and I could argue it was a great play by Holmes for paying attention and not giving up on the play on the deflection.

3. Tyrod Taylor had a 126 QB rating against the Broncos defense in 3 years. The next best is 111 by Drew Brees.

4. The Bills have a kicker that can make 50 yarders with ease and he made 3. Every great team has one.

5. The Bills won without a dominant run game for the first time in I don't know when. This is a positive. The run game will be fine against many teams, the passing game is improving.

6. Special teams were close to flawless. ST penalties are coming down every week as they are getting more disciplined. (Also see #4)

7. Coaching was solid all game including a fantastic successful challenge. Also team is playing together like I haven't seen, well, ever from a Buffalo Bills team. That is all coaching.

 

All of the above proves the Bills played a great game. I'm not sure how there can be any argument against it. And if you try you will look foolish.

[Big Turk]

Oakland didn't look good at all last night

 

More than didn't look good...they looked utterly hapless.

[dulles]

I think the point the OP is making is although we played well, Denver made a ton of dumb uncharacteristic mistakes and without those maybe it's a different outcome. So pump the brakes on us being a good team all of a sudden. It's a long season and we haven't even played the tough teams yet

Although I agree that we got some big breaks...I also have watched enough football to remember that many teams make similar mistakes and still win. How many times have the bills been the recipients of such fortuitous breaks, only to squander the advantage? Boneheaded mistakes happen regularly. We just tend to forget the break and remember the final score.

[DallasMac]

You must not watch much NFL football.

1. Teams win every week by playing good defense and forcing the opposition into bad decisions and turnovers.

2. WR's are getting better and I could argue it was a great play by Holmes for paying attention and not giving up on the play on the deflection.

3. Tyrod Taylor had a 126 QB rating against the Broncos defense in 3 years. The next best is 111 by Drew Brees.

4. The Bills have a kicker that can make 50 yarders with ease and he made 3. Every great team has one.

5. The Bills won without a dominant run game for the first time in I don't know when. This is a positive. The run game will be fine against many teams, the passing game is improving.

6. Special teams were close to flawless. ST penalties are coming down every week as they are getting more disciplined. (Also see #4)

7. Coaching was solid all game including a fantastic successful challenge. Also team is playing together like I haven't seen, well, ever from a Buffalo Bills team. That is all coaching.

All of the above proves the Bills played a great game. I'm not sure how there can be any argument against it. And if you try you will look foolish.

Mic drop

[unbillievable]

YOu guys forgot to blame jet lag.

[KD in CA]

If you really think about it, it's an embarrassing win.

 

 

 

Amazing how people can watch football and not understand cause and effect. Amazingly, it turns out that humans are not robots and sometimes make poor decisions under duress.

 

Fake punt: stuffed

Pick #1: Great coverage everywhere, QB flushed

Pick #2: Great pressure

[Billsmovinup]

Denver was undefeated, just trounced the Cowboys, everyone was sucking off their QB and saying they had the best defense in the league. After the Bills beat them they aren't a tough team and probably won't make the playoffs? But of course if they beat the Bills they would still be undefeated, leading the division, a lock for the playoffs and one of the best teams in the AFC with an incredible rookie HC. Very few people thought the Bills would even compete this week and they handled them with relative ease and people downplay it. Crazy.

Also, the Bills were a 3 point dog at home which every knows if they played at Denver they would have been 7 point dogs, about the same as they are to the Falcons.

Denver is a good team and it was a great win, regardless what happens next week.

Yep. Ive been hard on this team. Primarily because they have failed time and time and time again to win these exact type of games. Playing a relatively clean game and letting your opponent beat themselves is nothing to apologize for.

[PABillsfan23]

Even though the word is that Von Miller & Tyrod are friends (and Miller was joking around), in the eyes of the Ref,

it was definitely "unsportsman-like conduct". Assume Miller didn't know TT and did that gesture as shown. It was bad judgment and unprofessional.

15 yards - carry on!

If it was the other way around you'd be crying your eyes out

[Thurman#1]

Very happy about the outcome of the game. But Denver really screwed up.

 

1. Failed fake punt - dumb
2. Interception #1 - awful
3. Interception #2 - even worse
4. Von Miller penalty - freebie from the zebra

 

I liked the outcome because normally we are the ones doing dumb things or not getting calls. But have you seen two worse interceptions than the ones Trevor Siemian made? That was sandlot worthy. Who does a fake punt in that situation? The Miller penalty was a no call. I also doubt that when the winds start blowing we are going to see two 53+ yard field goals again.

 

Good coaches like the Hoodie and QB's like Matt Ryan and Tom Brady do not make those kind of mistakes. Need to see more before buying Super Bowl tickets.

 

Sincerely,

Debbie Downer

 

 

 

The fake punt wasn't dumb, not at all.

 

But it was really risky, and it didn't pay off.

 

And yeah, the Von Miller penalty was just awful. Tyrod was cracking up. The flag should never have been thrown. And IMHO if that flag is never thrown, Denver wins, though there's obviously no way to know.

 

 

 

Amazing how people can watch football and not understand cause and effect. Amazingly, it turns out that humans are not robots and sometimes make poor decisions under duress.

 

Fake punt: stuffed

Pick #1: Great coverage everywhere, QB flushed

Pick #2: Great pressure

 

 

Yeah, the Bills handled the punt really well. They didn't expect it, but were prepared. You have to give them tremendous credit.

 

But nah, the INTs were just poor performances from Siemian. It's not like the rushes were from the blindside or something. The first should never have been thrown and the second should have been thrown five yards further, out of bounds. We got very lucky with Siemian's bad decisions there. The Bills pressure helped create the plays, but if that had been Tyrod (or Jim Kelly for that matter) we'd correctly have been yelling at him for poor decision-making.

 

Those bad decisions weren't so much forced as simply made.

 

Robey's phantom PI call against Jacksonville and Hughes getting a 15 yard penalty for smacking his own teammates helmet after a sack come to mind...

Why not, he did this past week against the Lions...

 

you want to talk about luck? Atlanta's lucky they aren't 1-2...Should have lost opening day at Chicago and Lions got a raw deal when they overturned Tate's last second TD and ruled him down at the half yard line this past week.

 

And I guess New England wasn't lucky when that Texans safety dropped a picked when he landed on the ground right before Brady threw that TD to win it...nope...nothing "lucky" about that...Brady must have put some type of super spin on the ball where only his player knew how to catch it right??

 

It is so irritating when people try so hard to act like no other team in the NFL EVER has anything "lucky" happen to them...as if the Bills are the ONLY team to be beneficieries of a player not playing well or making a bad throw.

 

 

 

Equally, it's irritating when people try so hard to mis-state what people say.

 

He didn't say good luck never happens to other teams. Didn't imply it in any way, that's you creating poor logic when there's none in the post.

 

Just because good luck happens to all teams doesn't mean it shouldn't be pointed out when it happens. We really did get lucky.

 

Having said that, we could still have lost the game, screwing it up and throwing it away. And we didn't. We played a reasonably mistake-free game. And as many here have said, that's a very good thing. Still got very lucky, though.

Edited September 26, 2017 by Thurman#1