TheElectricCompany Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) darby is more confusing to me than watkins. i at least understand the logic behind trading watkins. Tre & Darby as your up and coming corners is something solid to build on. Inconsistent in the past two years, but the talent is there and only 23. Who the hell is EJ Gaines? Edited August 11, 2017 by TheElectricCompany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I wonder how the vets feel about these moves? A guy like Kyle who was talked into coming back this season. Or a guy like Boldin, after all the talk about him being brought in to mentor Sammy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickrage Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Wow. This just seems like Beane and McDermott are cutting all ties with Whaleys moves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Romie Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 But when bill bellichick pulls this **** its genious. I say good. Get somthin for sammy while you can, were going to lead the league in rushing anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 If Shady gets traded then I'll believe we are tanking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickrage Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I am bumming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I wonder how the vets feel about these moves? A guy like Kyle who was talked into coming back this season. Or a guy like Boldin, after all the talk about him being brought in to mentor Sammy. Â If the Bills had any class they'd cut Kyle Williams and let him latch on with a playoff team. Â These trades, and our clear intent to rebuild through the draft make it pretty clear this team isn't going to compete for another few years while they search for and groom a young QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Watkins and Darby trades were made to appease Kim Jung and save Guam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 tank... Â ...with Brandons name written all over it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 If Shady gets traded then I'll believe we are tanking. If the Bills were smart they'd trade McCoy and get some compensation and get out from that contract. Â This team is no longer built to compete this year, so we might as well cash in on McCoy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I really look at this/these trades as an even make out based on last year, but we gained picks. Im warming up to the idea although I really liked Sammy, Darby not so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 We traded 1k wr for another 1k wr and traded a db and got s db. Plus we got High picks. I think this season didn't change too much but long term could be amazing   Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 If Shady gets traded then I'll believe we are tanking.Maybe, but Shady has no real trade value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I really look at this/these trades as an even make out based on last year, but we gained picks. Im warming up to the idea although I really liked Sammy, Darby not so much  Perhaps, but Sammy has the potential to be a BIG TIME player in this league. He may never pan out, but his ceiling is much higher than Mathews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 very very poor return for Sammy Watkinsi agree but they aren't getting a first for him with being on last year of his contract. Now if they had picked up that option... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan692 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 We picked up a #1 caliber CB and a #1 caliber WR, we also picked up an extra 2nd and extra 3rd round draft pick. I think this is smart IMO. Chances are we are not going to have a legendary championship season, so hanging it all on Watkins and Darby is stupid. As McDermott has been saying -- build for short term and long term -- I honestly think this does not have a huge impact on us short term and it has tremendous upside long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 The tank is in. It's the right move. The team is not close to being a legit playoff team and next year's draft looks to be very good for trying to get a franchise QB. Good move by our new GM. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Would not surprise me if he got those targets yesterday BECAUSE he was being traded. Â That would suggest that Tyrod was in on it. So I find that to be highly unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) We drafted CB in the 1st this year, and got a 3rd for a guy in Darby whose play fell off last year. I think it makes sense. i still think darby can be fantastic. your logic is certainly right, and i'm sure that was the reasoning. i guess it's all about picks at this point. Edited August 11, 2017 by teef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Â Perhaps, but Sammy has the potential to be a BIG TIME player in this league. He may never pan out, but his ceiling is much higher than Mathews. Â I agree, but at this point with his injury history and the offense we run I don't think it impacts us all that much this year. That's why I said I am bummed about Sammy but I get it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snafu Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 It is a half-assed tank so far. Full tank will be to gut the team further. Downgraded at WR (not one returning WR of note from last year is on the roster). Downgraded at CB (nobody in the defensive secondary from last year). The "upside" is getting unproven draft picks for next year -- probably to package and draft a "franchise" QB in 2018. They probably think they can stop here and get their QB and fool people into thinking that they're trying to win games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronc24 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Trading our young talent? What the heck is going on? Â Let the attack begin... Sammy was gone next year. This is a *Patriots like move. I don't mind the move. Our 2018 draft is stacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 i still think darby can be fantastic. your logic is certainly right, and i'm sure that was the reasoning. i guess it's all about picks at this point. Â I also remember reading McD likes the tall and lanky CBs, Darby does not fit what he is looking for in that regard for this defense so could be why they thought he was expendable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 They can't out-tank the Jets, so we're hoping to have enough ammo to get to #2 via trade. Can't wait to take the next Bortles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 We picked up a #1 caliber CB and a #1 caliber WR, we also picked up an extra 2nd and extra 3rd round draft pick. I think this is smart IMO. Chances are we are not going to have a legendary championship season, so hanging it all on Watkins and Darby is stupid. As McDermott has been saying -- build for short term and long term -- I honestly think this does not have a huge impact on us short term and it has tremendous upside long term. this is why i'm not melting down about this. it could easily be a lateral move in terms of production. it's just tough to think we lost young talent. it all comes down to what they do with those picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cash Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Why would you sign a 32-year-old kicker to a big $$ deal if you're tanking?!?!?! And why would you redo Taylor's contract instead of just cutting him before the extension kicked in? Â I don't know if this team is bad at tanking, or so bad at trying to win that it just looks like they're tanking. Â Having said that, I do think they got good value in the Darby trade. Mathews doesn't suck, and neither does a 3rd round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Â I agree, but at this point with his injury history and the offense we run I don't think it impacts us all that much this year. That's why I said I am bummed about Sammy but I get it this is where i'm at with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strethor Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 The only thing I don't like is giving up Darby for Matthews but I guess something like that had to be done Sammy was gone next year. This is a *Patriots like move. I don't mind the move. Our 2018 draft is stacked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Has anyone seen anything concerning Taylor/knee? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
par73 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Looks like they are positioning themselves to get a QB in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 i still think darby can be fantastic. your logic is certainly right, and i'm sure that was the reasoning. i guess it's all about picks at this point. Heck, Darby was my favorite player his rookie year. I think he WILL be fantastic in the right place, or at least a very good NFL player. But IMO the FO looked at him in the context of this team's immediate and near-term future and decided a 3rd was equivalent if not better value for him, in light of his play last year especially, and decided to pull the trigger. I'm bummed but I also see where it's going I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills757 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Why is this such a shock considering they didn't pick up Watkins option? Watkins played in 8 games last year (and probably wasn't 100% in all 8 games) and already had a scare this year. No matter how great a player can be, if he's not on the field, he can't make plays. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Tre & Darby as your up and coming corners is something solid to build on. Inconsistent in the past two years, but the talent is there and only 23. Who the hell is EJ Gaines? Â Gilmore and Darby were something solid to build on. Since drafting Dareus, up to last year, the Bills have let go - either not re-signing, or trading - every player they've picked first in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Fan of St Augustine Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 We should have got more for Watkins, the Darby side is better. Overall if we already moved on from SW, the net net is pretty good when you factor in the draft picks. Not a tank move in my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I think, if we were tanking, that McCoy and Williams would not be on the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Â Gilmore and Darby were something solid to build on. Since drafting Dareus, up to last year, the Bills have let go - either not re-signing, or trading - every player they've picked first in the draft. One step forward, two steps back, Â the idiot dance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just in Atlanta Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 The question should be why it isn't a tank. Â bull **** move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Heck, Darby was my favorite player his rookie year. I think he WILL be fantastic in the right place, or at least a very good NFL player. But IMO the FO looked at him in the context of this team's immediate and near-term future and decided a 3rd was equivalent if not better value for him, in light of his play last year especially, and decided to pull the trigger. I'm bummed but I also see where it's going I think. i'm with ya. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 We picked up a #1 caliber CB and a #1 caliber WR. Â This simply isn't true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 They can't out-tank the Jets, so we're hoping to have enough ammo to get to #2 via trade. Can't wait to take the next Bortles. Â when they play the Jets, both teams D and Special Teams will just fall down and not try to tackle the other team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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