Heavy Kevi Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Trading our young talent? What the heck is going on? Let the attack begin... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 i just don't understand this. the only thing i can think is that they're stockpiling picks to trade up next year. right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 very very poor return for Sammy Watkins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Man Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Serious question: Is this the beginning of a tank? No. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 i just don't understand this. the only thing i can think is that they're stockpiling picks to trade up next year. right? I pretty sure that trading young talent to stockpile picks is the definition of modern NFL tanking. See CLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 They certainly gutted the team's offense in one stroke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I pretty sure that trading young talent to stockpile picks is the definition of modern NFL tanking. See CLE but it's not a total tank. if we see them trade tt, then it's completely on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 If Shady gets traded. YEP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 but it's not a total tank. if we see them trade tt, then it's completely on. Who's going to trade for Taylor? If it's a tank, McCoy is the one going next. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 but it's not a total tank. if we see them trade tt, then it's completely on. True. But I think it's two-fold: either TT or Shady and its official. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I pretty sure that trading young talent to stockpile picks is the definition of modern NFL tanking. See CLE They traded young talent for young talent and picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 The beginning was trading down in the draft, bringing Tyrod back and letting Gilly walk. Trading Watkins is the cherry on the tank sundae. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 but it's not a total tank. if we see them trade tt, then it's completely on. Jordan Matthews is a good and young WR. You don't tank and then trade for someone like that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 No. The writing was on the wall for Sammy when we didn't pick up his option. You can't give injury-prone players big contracts. We finally have a GM that understands the value of draft picks. He's like the anti-Whaley. Andre Holmes and Vlad Ducasse should start packing their bags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juice_32 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 No, we are finally competent. I absolutely love it. I was iffy on Beane and McD, now I'm officially sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 True. But I think it's two-fold: either TT or Shady and its official. agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 True. But I think it's two-fold: either TT or Shady and its official. If this happens then yes, I'll agree it's a full tank. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 very very poor return for Sammy WatkinsYep. Embarrassing, actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Not a tank. Smart moves and building draft capital for long term. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) Jordan Matthews is a good and young WR. You don't tank and then trade for someone like that. maybe they felt they could get similar production from matthews, not have to pay the money, (i have no idea what his contract looks like) and grab a pick? they certainly tried to fill the holes they created. Edited August 11, 2017 by teef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4_kidd_4 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Also, no real depth at QB. That's a big sign imo, bc you know Tyrod will get banged up, and backups will play at some point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 The Bills might not be tanking, but they're certainly putting themselves in a position where they're going to get a top QB next year. We're probably looking at a top 5 pick right now given how hard the schedule is and given how little talent we have at WR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Not a tank. Smart moves and building draft capital for long term. That's the way I am viewing it. maybe they felt they could get similar production from matthews, not have to pay the money, (i have no idea what his contract looks like) and grab a pick? they certainly tried to fill the holes they created. Probably. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 The Bills might not be tanking, but they're certainly putting themselves in a position where they're going to get a top QB next year. We're probably looking at a top 5 pick right now given how hard the schedule is and given how little talent we have at WR. If we're being honest, we were possibly looking at a pick in that range before these moves were made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 The Bills might not be tanking, but they're certainly putting themselves in a position where they're going to get a top QB next year. We're probably looking at a top 5 pick right now given how hard the schedule is and given how little talent we have at WR. Wll said. I am fine with it really. When McD and Beane were hired it was made clear this is a long term plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 That's the way I am viewing it. Probably. Sure, that's what they're doing, but the result is also that they've accepted that they're going to be really bad this year. This team will be worse in 2017 as a result of these trades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iverwig Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 No tank yet after trading for Matthews. Sammy is super talented but can not stay healthy and besides Matthews has been more productive than Sammy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheElectricCompany Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 (edited) Not a tank, when we cut Kyle and Lesean, lets talk. I think it is clear that regardless of how Sammy produced in 2017, he wasn't staying long term. Stings to lose Darby, that is the one that pisses me off. I was really excited about seeing him and Tre for many years. Edited August 11, 2017 by TheElectricCompany Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 If we're being honest, we were possibly looking at a pick in that range before these moves were made. I was expecting something around 6-10. Now it's more like 4-12 which would put us in the top 5 picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Well, at least I can thank the organization for earning my vote of no confidence right at the very beginning. They've saved me about 4 hours a week through January, and countless dollars I otherwise might have given them. !@#$ing !@#$s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 I was expecting something around 6-10. Now it's more like 4-12 which would put us in the top 5 picks. Especially given tbe fact that TT will miss time. Nothing behind him inspires confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 No tank yet after trading for Matthews. Sammy is super talented but can not stay healthy and besides Matthews has been more productive than Sammy. Jordan Matthews was getting cut. Jordan Matthews + 3rd round pick = Ron Darby Sammy Watkins = 2nd round pick + EJ Gaines Suggesting Watkins is on the same level as Matthews is absurd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 Well, at least I can thank the organization for earning my vote of no confidence right at the very beginning. They've saved me about 4 hours a week through January, and countless dollars I otherwise might have given them. !@#$ing !@#$s. I lost any thoughts of being good this year last night..... This is the first year I probably wont go to a game. Not boycotting or anything, but I am genuinely not excited at all for the season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I'm holding off on declaring this a tank unless Shady is traded too. I mean why sign Boldin if we're tanking? I think McBeane genuinely thinks the team can still compete and also get picks for next year. Guess we'll see but Jesus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 They must have thought Sammy would have to be tagged after this season then FA walk. He proved his value yesterday so he was tradeable . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Not a tank, when we cut Kyle and Lesean, lets talk. I think it is clear that regardless of how Sammy produced in 2017, he wasn't staying long term. Stings to lose Darby, that is the one that pisses me off. I was really excited about seeing him and Tre for many years. darby is more confusing to me than watkins. i at least understand the logic behind trading watkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 I'm holding off on declaring this a tank unless Shady is traded too. I mean why sign Boldin if we're tanking? I think McBeane genuinely thinks the team can still compete and also get picks for next year. Guess we'll see but Jesus. Only thing I can think of is that they want Boldin to mentor Jones for a year. That's all I've got. Our offensive personnel, particularly at QB and WR is bottom of the barrel relative to the rest of the NFL. I'm fine with these moves, because I love having a ton of picks in what should be a strong draft class, but there's no way to sugar coat how this is going to affect the 2017 season. We're going to be one of the worst teams in the league this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted August 11, 2017 Author Share Posted August 11, 2017 They must have thought Sammy would have to be tagged after this season then FA walk. He proved his value yesterday so he was tradeable . Would not surprise me if he got those targets yesterday BECAUSE he was being traded. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 darby is more confusing to me than watkins. i at least understand the logic behind trading watkins. We drafted CB in the 1st this year, and got a 3rd for a guy in Darby whose play fell off last year. I think it makes sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty McFly Posted August 11, 2017 Share Posted August 11, 2017 Whos next? Tyrod or Shady? they are gonna make this season un-watchable for us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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