Polian - McD, "he's Marv-like".

[Malazan]

This is a retort to the person who "can't see McD being a good Bills HC".

 

Shouldn't you have posted it in that thread then? Seems like the exact purpose of the reply button.

[iinii]

and the wheels on the bus go round and round

[BobChalmers]

Talk is cheap. I want results.

 

You'll need to wait until September at least for that, so what's you point?

Edited May 3, 2017 by BobChalmers

[BADOLBILZ]

Didn't he say the same thing about Jauron?

 

 

He loved Jauron.........that's why Marv hired him..........Polian said that had they not hired Dungy in Indianapolis Jauron would have been his next choice.

 

Pollen liked coaches that he could dictate terms to.

 

I don't see the correlation with McDermott.......he seems power driven and perhaps a bit disingenuous.

[jeffismagic]

 

 

He loved Jauron.........that's why Marv hired him..........Polian said that had they not hired Dungy in Indianapolis Jauron would have been his next choice.

 

Pollen liked coaches that he could dictate terms to.

 

I don't see the correlation with McDermott.......he seems power driven and perhaps a bit disingenuous.

 

Polian liked Marrone and Mcdermott has a similar personality.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

 

 

He loved Jauron.........that's why Marv hired him..........Polian said that had they not hired Dungy in Indianapolis Jauron would have been his next choice.

 

Pollen liked coaches that he could dictate terms to.

 

I don't see the correlation with McDermott.......he seems power driven and perhaps a bit disingenuous.

....DonoHoe was the same was......paid Greggy $900K and force fed him personnel........worked wonders......

[Kelly the Dog]

 

Polian liked Marrone and Mcdermott has a similar personality.

Crappy?

[without a drought]

All his coach speak doesn't mean a thing if they don't win.

[Rico]

 

I think everyone wants results.

 

At the same time, the first evidence is there to show this isn't the same old same old. This isn't status quo packaged as new. This isn't Marrone pointing at the lifers 3 years ago and Russ stepping in to protect them. It's the closest to real substantive change there's ever been at OBD.

 

It's going to be a new regime both in terms of coaching AND in the front office next season. Sure, McD could be unsuccessful. But he won't be unsuccessful because RW cronies were still pulling the strings from behind the scenes. He's the first HC in some time who'll control his own destiny. He wouldn't have taken this job without that assurance.

Great post. There was no chance of any type of culture change as long as Ralph's chumps and losers were still running the team. McD may not end up being the answer, but at least the possibility of turning the team around is finally here. The sky's the limit! Edited May 3, 2017 by Rico

[26CornerBlitz]

Great post. There was no chance of any type of culture change as long as Ralph's chumps and losers were still running the team. McD may not end up being the answer, but at least the possibility of turning the team around is finally here. The sky's the limit!

 

I think you mean the ceiling is the roof.

[Yav]

Marv motivated the players and the players respected him.

McD is that way. Marv like.

Edited May 3, 2017 by Yav

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

 

Polian liked Marrone and Mcdermott has a similar personality.

 

 

I don't see the similarities really. Marrone was born in the Bronx so he had that New York attitude going for him. McD is from Nebraska and I see him more low key, quite and meticulous, all business. I can see where you may feel there demeanor may have slight similarities but I don't see any semblance of Jauron or Marrone and so far I like what I see in McD, a take charge character.

Edited May 3, 2017 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[Utah John]

I haven't seen enough of McD to compare him to anyone yet. I hope he is not levy 2.0 as levy was a good coach sure, not great but good with a flaw that could be a good reason they never won a sb, especially 25 and that was lack of discipline. he let those players run loose, no curfew just let them booze it up and what ever else went along with the two week party train leading up to the big game.

 

so no, I hope McD is the opposite of levy and shows to be more of a disciplinarian than levy was.

There was only one week the conference championship and SB XXV. That was enough time for the Bills to over-party and lose their edge. Such a sad waste of a golden opportunity.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

Marv motivated the players and the players respected him.

McD is that way. Marv like.

 

what he should of done was shut the doors at 10 pm and made it clear no booze and partying like it's 1999.

 

focus, he certainly didn't preach that to the players or they would of won at least two or even three of those sb's?

 

McD on the other hand, all business, no play. that may be the difference and could finally get this team back to winning?

There was only one week the conference championship and SB XXV. That was enough time for the Bills to over-party and lose their edge. Such a sad waste of a golden opportunity.

 

so it was only a week back then, memory not what it was.

 

 

yes, more than enough time to lose focus. drag really, because the reg season they were kicking ass and taking names.

 

 

party on garth

Edited May 3, 2017 by DaBillsFanSince1973

[nucci]

I don't care if he is or not, in fact I LIKE IT! Nice to see someone come in, who has worked in successful franchises, take control and implement a brand new way of doing things and has a clear vision. Let the man have a few years before railing on him about it, it just might work out well.

I don't. People now realize how hard and how huge an accomplishment it was and that it will never be done again. Would I have liked to have won 1-2 yes, but I wouldn't trade one win for the nearly 5 seasons we got to enjoy

I don't understand....you wouldn't take a Superbowl win over the 4 losses? If yes you have to be F&^%*ing kidding me. That is the definition of a loser. If I interpreted incorrectly I apologize.

[Punching Bag]

I'm not sure why fans have doubts at this point. I certainly understand a "prove it" mentality, but it hard not to love the first few months.

 

There has been a total culture change since he got here. Discipline, hard work, focus - a 180 from the Rex years. He seems to have a real vision, and his first draft was stellar.

 

Honestly, the guy he reminds me of is Belichick.

 

The words Honest and Bellicheat should not be in same sentence. I know some would be okay with winning if we needed to steal his director of spying and bribe zebras.

I don't think the winning will happen right away which will deter some already on the bubble fans, this is not a win now team but I feel we'll get our franchise QB next season and hopefully these draft picks we got contribute in a big way this year, The future looks bright though.

 

Bubbles should be popped; trying to satisfy those type of fans is what causes issues. They will come back changing their Pats* (or whatever) jerseys when we are winning.

[Punching Bag]

 

I think you mean the ceiling is the roof.

 

That is why I prefer open stadiums to domes.

[Boatdrinks]

There was only one week the conference championship and SB XXV. That was enough time for the Bills to over-party and lose their edge. Such a sad waste of a golden opportunity.

What a joke... The 70's and 80's Raiders were known to party as hard or harder than anyone . They won. It didn't and doesn't matter. The Bills got out coached by the Giants and still had a great chance to win in the final minutes, but mismanaged the clock. That's why they lost. It's pretty common knowledge , rewatch Supe XXV if you need to see the evidence.

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

let's just hire Marv again. what is he like 92? i bet he's still got it

He could be our new GM

What a moment ... nvm

[Billzgobowlin]

 

Polian liked Marrone and Mcdermott has a similar personality.

I don't get that same feeling. The hugs for holly bit they showed on NFL network didn't have that Marrone vibe.

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

Great post. There was no chance of any type of culture change as long as Ralph's chumps and losers were still running the team. McD may not end up being the answer, but at least the possibility of turning the team around is finally here. The sky's the limit!

concur. we needed to start over, clean slate, after Ralph passed. Too bad we waited so long, but moving forward now.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

This is a retort to the person who "can't see McD being a good Bills HC".

 

Bill Polian, who has been very reluctant to endorse anybody over the years for the Bills' HC position has clearly endorsed Sean McDermott. He believes that McD is basically a younger version of Marv Levy......and he thinks the world of the HOF Bills HC who he hired when he was the Bills GM way back when.

 

Polian says that McD is "cerebral, low key, and right on the money". He said that McD has a pretty good pedigree having learned under Andy Reid (Phily) and Rivera (Carolina).

 

Here's the link: http://buffalowdown.com/2017/03/05/buffalo-bills-bill-polian-sean-mcdermott-marv-levy/.

 

That's a pretty hefty endorsement if you ask me.

 

From what I've seen thus far I would think you would have to be impressed with McD. He basically ran the 2017 draft and likely picked up three 2017 starters by trading up and down the board and may have found Buffalo's QB of the future in Nate Peterman. Even the ESPN analysts (Kiper & McShay) have raved about Buffalo's draft.

 

McD has also won the power battle with former Bills GM D. Whaley. With Whaley now gone it's likely that McD will be able to hand pick the next Bills GM. That's a very rare occurrence.

 

McD is likely to push for someone he knows and trusts very well.....and that may turn out to be the best way to rebuild this team.

Polian has been reading my posts.

[JOE IN HAMPTON ROADS]

What a joke... The 70's and 80's Raiders were known to party as hard or harder than anyone . They won. It didn't and doesn't matter. The Bills got out coached by the Giants and still had a great chance to win in the final minutes, but mismanaged the clock. That's why they lost. It's pretty common knowledge , rewatch Supe XXV if you need to see the evidence.

 

Outcoached by the Hoodie ... and outcoached by Joe Gibbs following year, with Mark Rypien (!) as QB.

[outsidethebox]

 

I'm honestly puzzled by this. We've had a couple weeks of OTAs. How can one diagnose culture change (or its lack) from this?

I know, I don't get it either. I keep hearing " I love what he's done so far". What has he done? The season hasn't even started, hell training camp is 3 months away. pulling for him big time. Let's not anoint him before he even coached a game.

let's just hire Marv again. what is he like 92? i bet he's still got it

I agree!!!

Why have someone like Marv, when we can have The Marv himself!!

Come on Terry, get Marv a hover round and let him go!!!!

[Meathead]

you know who else has an excellent pedigree?

 

my mom!

 

wait i mean rex ryan!

[Manther]

Seriously, I absolutely listen to NOTHING Polian says. Not kidding and I think many would agree....IMO I think he is old a senial. Or may have serious aging issues.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

Seriously, I absolutely listen to NOTHING Polian says. Not kidding and I think many would agree....IMO I think he is old a senial. Or may have serious aging issues.

 

I think that might be a little too harsh.

 

But the whole NFL Career Development Advisory Panel, of which Polian is a part, has been criticized for being "full of nepotism" and of plugging "their" proteges in a rigged search. So I'm a little suspicious of Polian extolling the virtues of a newly hired HC who was, I believe, one of the names on the list the Panel provided last year. It's sort of like a chef telling you the steak his restaurant served you is the best ever.

 

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but it's hardly an objective and unbiased evaluation.

Edited May 4, 2017 by Hapless Bills Fan

[jeffismagic]

 

I think that might be a little too harsh.

 

But the whole NFL Career Development Advisory Panel, of which Polian is a part, has been criticized for being "full of nepotism" and of plugging "their" proteges in a rigged search. So I'm a little suspicious of Polian extolling the virtues of a newly hired HC who was, I believe, one of the names on the list the Panel provided last year. It's sort of like a chef telling you the steak his restaurant served you is the best ever.

 

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, but it's hardly an objective and unbiased evaluation.

 

It's called a Good Old Boys Club.

[Augie]

So, he's Marv without the white hair? Or, any hair.........

[C.Biscuit97]

I want this to be true. But to give a 1st time head coach this much power and basically hire the GM seems completely insane. Would any other team in the NFL do it that way?

[beerme1]

I skipped four pages of this thread to say that anything Bill Polian says in favor of the Bills or McD comparing him to Marv is very simply him whoring himself to get his son Chris a GM job. I'm calling bull crap on it. Love Bill but not interested in his opinion on this matter, right here, right now as it is only geared towards getting his son Chris a GM gig. Pass. Chris Polian sucks and I would think 90% of this board would take a fast pass on Chris. But thanks Bill! Love you man.

 

Go BILLS

[nucci]

 

Outcoached by the Hoodie ... and outcoached by Joe Gibbs following year, with Mark Rypien (!) as QB.

Bills had starters on defense missing and the Redskins were just a much better team......

[Last Guy on the Bench]

Bills had starters on defense missing and the Redskins were just a much better team......

Right. It's only the first SB where the Bills were really outcoached. I think they had way more talent than the Giants.

 

But the next year the Skins were a freaking juggernaut. I wouldn't say they had more talent than the Bills, but everything just came together for them that whole year. They were in the flow. Rypien spent the year looking like a Hall of Famer. I don't know why or what happened exactly. It was just a perfect storm for that team. They weren't going to lose to the Bills, even though long-term the Bills had more talent.

 

The Cowboys arguably did have more talent than the Bills the next two years. They were a damn good team. I think if they played the Bills 10 times, the Bills would win 3 or 4 games. So not a great aberration that the Boys won two in a row.

[eball]

 

I think everyone wants results.

 

At the same time, the first evidence is there to show this isn't the same old same old. This isn't status quo packaged as new. This isn't Marrone pointing at the lifers 3 years ago and Russ stepping in to protect them. It's the closest to real substantive change there's ever been at OBD.

 

It's going to be a new regime both in terms of coaching AND in the front office next season. Sure, McD could be unsuccessful. But he won't be unsuccessful because RW cronies were still pulling the strings from behind the scenes. He's the first HC in some time who'll control his own destiny. He wouldn't have taken this job without that assurance.

 

This is an interesting comment, and it really hasn't been until just now that I've felt the slightest tinge of empathy for Saint Doug. I still think he's an ego-maniacal douche, I still think he made awful decisions (like exposing Sammy to injury unnecessarily in preseason), and I'm not at all convinced he'll have success in London--err, Jacksonville, but if he saw the "lifer" culture at OBD and was frustrated by his inability to change it, the decision to quit is at least somewhat understandable.

 

I'm excited about the house-cleaning and don't view the situation as one that will take years to correct.

[May Day 10]

 

This is an interesting comment, and it really hasn't been until just now that I've felt the slightest tinge of empathy for Saint Doug. I still think he's an ego-maniacal douche, I still think he made awful decisions (like exposing Sammy to injury unnecessarily in preseason), and I'm not at all convinced he'll have success in London--err, Jacksonville, but if he saw the "lifer" culture at OBD and was frustrated by his inability to change it, the decision to quit is at least somewhat understandable.

 

I'm excited about the house-cleaning and don't view the situation as one that will take years to correct.

I have thought this about marrone for awhile now. I think he wanted basically what mcdermott has. Pegula sided with team brandon/whaley. It wasnt so much about leveraging money. The last few years may have bern different, but overall, I think i would much rather have mcdermott.