John from Riverside Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Is there ANY qb of quality we might get for a Marce D. trade.....and is it even economically possible? Like maybe older huge contract qb for Marcel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Can't trade Dareus--gigantic cap hit if they do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 So we'd get a big qb cap hit and accelerate the md dead money-- ouch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 While the given Marcel scenario isn't feasible, I would be on board to make a move with a major player on defense in order to secure a decent QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 12, 2016 Author Share Posted December 12, 2016 Yeah I was just wondering if we could do cap hit for cap hit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Team's dont trade a quality, viable QB for a DT. Regardless of who the DT is. Unless they think the QB sucks. QB>DT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 While the given Marcel scenario isn't feasible, I would be on board to make a move with a major player on defense in order to secure a decent QB. Do we have a major player on defense? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Do we have a major player on defense? We are loaded with them. Unfortunately, they're poorly coached. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 We are loaded with them. Unfortunately, they're poorly coached. Ahaaa! You mean not sucking before Rex was not my imagination!?! This makes more sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Is there ANY qb of quality we might get for a Marce D. trade.....and is it even economically possible? Like maybe older huge contract qb for Marcel? I thought you were asking Marcel if he knew any QBs. Maybe Rivers, they don't have a team at all so maybe they start over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Nope, unfortunately not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Yeah I was just wondering if we could do cap hit for cap hit The problem is dead money. You don't trade dead money Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Call Grigson! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Drew Brees? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reks Ryan Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 We are loaded with them. Unfortunately, they're poorly coached. I am continuously amazed at how this board over values the talent on the Bills. Seriously tell me who these great players are and why don't they show up for the games? Yes I know Rex is a below average coach and puts guys out of position on many plays. But at some point great or even very good players just beat their man and make a big play. How many times did Bell run down the field 5 or 10 yards before anyone touched him. We have many guys on our roster that would have trouble making any other squad in the league. Brandon Spikes for God's sake. It is like playing with 10 men when he is on the field. To the point about the trade, forget about a trade for a QB, name a Bills Defensive player who is under contract for next year that would bring back any good trade value? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 I am continuously amazed at how this board over values the talent on the Bills. Seriously tell me who these great players are and why don't they show up for the games? Yes I know Rex is a below average coach and puts guys out of position on many plays. But at some point great or even very good players just beat their man and make a big play. How many times did Bell run down the field 5 or 10 yards before anyone touched him. We have many guys on our roster that would have trouble making any other squad in the league. Brandon Spikes for God's sake. It is like playing with 10 men when he is on the field. To the point about the trade, forget about a trade for a QB, name a Bills Defensive player who is under contract for next year that would bring back any good trade value? Can't count Gilmore cause he's a FA. Can't trade Dareus due to his contract as already mentioned. That leaves Hughes, maybe his contract wouldn't be an issue? Won't get too much for anyone else, certainly not a legit QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 what qb are we trading for? romo? boys aren't taking on that cap hit. best case is we get back to the 4-3 and watch him dominate again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Is there ANY qb of quality we might get for a Marce D. trade.....and is it even economically possible? Like maybe older huge contract qb for Marcel? No team is trading for that contract during an offseason that Dareus could very likely catch a 10game suspension Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 Is there ANY qb of quality we might get for a Marce D. trade.....and is it even economically possible? Like maybe older huge contract qb for Marcel? No. We'd have to trade a couple 1sts to get anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted December 12, 2016 Share Posted December 12, 2016 No need to trade a DL anymore. Skelton is there for the taking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TUBSTER Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 At first I thought this thread was about Marcell playing QB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthBuffaloKid Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 It's the right time of year to wish... We need to do something with all of that dead weight called Dareus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 We don't need a qb we have a unicorn. Are we done with that ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 I am continuously amazed at how this board over values the talent on the Bills. Seriously tell me who these great players are and why don't they show up for the games? Yes I know Rex is a below average coach and puts guys out of position on many plays. But at some point great or even very good players just beat their man and make a big play. How many times did Bell run down the field 5 or 10 yards before anyone touched him. We have many guys on our roster that would have trouble making any other squad in the league. Brandon Spikes for God's sake. It is like playing with 10 men when he is on the field. To the point about the trade, forget about a trade for a QB, name a Bills Defensive player who is under contract for next year that would bring back any good trade value? 100% correct. Even assuming no cap hit problems, Dareus is essentially untradeable now. What was a market rate extension when he signed it is now a gross overpay in light of his suspension (and legitimate fear of another one, for a year) and lackluster performance. In baseball the only trade you could make for a guy like this is "I'll take your bad contract/problem player if you'll take mine." As for the rest of the team: Gilmore is in his contract year, so nobody is going to trade anything for him; they'd just sign him as a free agent. On defense, Darby would have good trade value (think a 2nd rounder, much as he was?), and although his contract is pretty much market rate, you might be able to trade Hughes, although that would be mostly a contract dump if they're going into rebuilding mode. I don't see anyone else on defense with significant trade value now. Shaq Lawson would be trading a 1st rounder for something like a 3rd rounder. Ragland needs to prove his health. Z Brown established some vaue this year but he's a free agent. Lorax too. On offense, McCoy's contract is untradeable. So is Clay's. Glenn is market rate. Richie is probably a bit below market rate, but probably still poison to most (all?) other organizations. Wood is hurt and Woods is going into free agency . I can't imagine anyone giving us anything of value for any other offensive player other than .... Sammy. And that value expires at the trade deadline in 2017. Maybe Gillislee could bring a 7th rounder? If I'm wrong, please point out who I missed that has no -negligible trade value. I'm just not seeing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watkins101 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Trade him for Cutler? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Better just to make Dareus the QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted December 13, 2016 Share Posted December 13, 2016 Trade him for Cutler? Why? Cutler is good as cut in Chicago, we can sign him as an UFA if we really want him. In terms of the trade Dareus, I can't see any teams wanting to make that trade unless they have another QB in the wings which means most teams aren't a viable option. I've brought up Teddy Bridgewater before but I wouldn't trade Dareus for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Any trade partners yet ? Which qb do you want John ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Who John? I'm not sure anyone would even take the risk IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 dareus and TT in a package baby. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bisonbrigade Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Sure Aaron Rodgers for Marcell Dareus, I would do it. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Can't trade Dareus--gigantic cap hit if they do Exactly...Impossible for the next 2 years...And still almost an $8 mil cap hit if you want to unload him then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Is there ANY qb of quality we might get for a Marce D. trade.....and is it even economically possible? Like maybe older huge contract qb for Marcel? Impossible to move that contract Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 No way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 No way. If we package TT with him to the browns we could get 12 instead of 33 no ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 If we package TT with him to the browns we could get 12 instead of 33 no ? No Impossible contract to MOVE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Back when John saw the light for almost a week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Any pre draft smoke ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Horseheads Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 Well they do have the cap room. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 If Dareus is a dead money hit, where is the corresponding live money?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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