YoloinOhio Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 (edited) Lynn has used the wildcat formation a bit last 2 weeks with McCoy and gillislee. Thoughts? I loath when OSU does it but somehow like the Bills version. Edited October 3, 2016 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Lynn has used the wildcat formation a bit last 2 weeks with McCoy and gillislee. Thoughts? I loath when OSU does it but somehow like the Bills version. When I see the Wildcat, I think to myself, this looks very easy to stop. Everyone knows they are going to run it, there really is not much of a threat at all that there will be a throw (so I think), and they should be able to stack it and stop it. Yet, we seem to be pretty damn effective at getting good yardage out of it, rather consistently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 He needs to do this once, maybe twice a game, and shelf it. It isnt a sustainable practice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Hate it. I wanted to reach into my TV and punch Lynn. It is a dated gimmick that you almost never see in the NFL anymore. Running it once is bad enough. Run it 3 or 4 times, and I wonder about his ability to be an OC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 3, 2016 Author Share Posted October 3, 2016 I think the OL does a nice job blocking for it. I don't think they will use it a ton going forward as I agree it's not sustainable, but it's something opponents need to spend time preparing for since no one else uses it (that I've seen). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 They ran it 8 times for 41 yards. It was effective especially the first time they ran it, Gillislee ran for 16 yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Hate it. I wanted to reach into my TV and punch Lynn. It is a dated gimmick that you almost never see in the NFL anymore. Running it once is bad enough. Run it 3 or 4 times, and I wonder about his ability to be an OC.Why hate something that works? There are no Russian judges handing out style points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Avon Lake now Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 I read somewhere (maybe here) that the backs like getting the ball a few yards deeper so they can see the field and holes better. The Wildcat helps with that and avoids a handoff that takes precious fractions of seconds for holes to close. I agree to use it judiciously, but don't abandon something that works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Frankly, I was surprised at how effective it was against the Pats....like they didn't believe it was coming, and they didn't prepare for it. Expecially with gilly in there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikef272002 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 (edited) I actually did my own version of a wildcat with my youth football team (6th-8th graders). We had 12 plays out of it, 2 were pass plays. Everything could be done in a hurry up no huddle which is what I liked about it. You focus on one half of the field, our goal was to get 5 yards a play. We had the #1 offense 2 years in a row with it but I also had very athletic kids. Edited October 3, 2016 by mikef272002 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 In theory, I dont like it. But in practice, it has been working so well that I cant complain. Seems like Lynn understands how to find a good balance and use it only when appropriate. Quite interesting to see hw well players can play when they are on the same page with their coaches. It's the same playbook as they had with Roman, but Lynn is much more in sync with what the players see and want to run as well. And that really is what team work is all about. You dont necessarily have to have the most talented players, but if you can get everyone rowing in the same direction at the same time, you'll be practically unbeatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Seems to have been effective so far this year and i think it will continue to be as long as they only run it a couple times a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikef272002 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Seems to have been effective so far this year and i think it will continue to be as long as they only run it a couple times a game. I agree.. Running it 2-4 times a game is plenty. I don't know how many times they ran it yesterday but it seemed like a good amount to run it.. 4 times maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YattaOkasan Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 I actually did my own version of a wildcat with my youth football team (6th-8th graders). We had 12 plays out of it, 2 were pass plays. Everything could be done in a hurry up no huddle which is what I liked about it. You focus on one half of the field, our goal was to get 5 yards a play. We had the #1 offense 2 years in a row with it but I also had very athletic kids. The idea of it from a no huddle/hurry up is interesting. Particularly if you get a favorable defensive set out there like a nickel against 12 personnel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanker Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 In theory, I dont like it. But in practice, it has been working so well that I cant complain. Seems like Lynn understands how to find a good balance and use it only when appropriate. Quite interesting to see hw well players can play when they are on the same page with their coaches. It's the same playbook as they had with Roman, but Lynn is much more in sync with what the players see and want to run as well. And that really is what team work is all about. You dont necessarily have to have the most talented players, but if you can get everyone rowing in the same direction at the same time, you'll be practically unbeatable. +1 I have to admit at being fooled by Roman. I thought he was going to be really good here. But he bombed. I think his playbook was good, but he couldn't call a game worth a damn more than half the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 I think the OL does a nice job blocking for it. I don't think they will use it a ton going forward as I agree it's not sustainable, but it's something opponents need to spend time preparing for since no one else uses it (that I've seen). Agreed. It's a wrinkle, not a pillar, of the offense. Give other teams as much to worry about as possible. I'm not an X's and O's guy, but can the wildcat be used to set up a pass? Obviously there's risks in having your RB throw the ball, but a less risky dump-off to the side or something seems like it would really catch the defense by surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Once in a while as a change-up pitch I'm fine with it. As some type of sustained systematic approach to offense? Of course not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Agreed. It's a wrinkle, not a pillar, of the offense. Give other teams as much to worry about as possible. I'm not an X's and O's guy, but can the wildcat be used to set up a pass? Obviously there's risks in having your RB throw the ball, but a less risky dump-off to the side or something seems like it would really catch the defense by surprise. Yes see what makes it able to expand more than it is right now is because Taylor stays on the field and is a weapon. Run the Jet sweep motion with Taylor, also can have Shady hand it to Taylor and now you have the run pass option because you mobile QB has the Ball in his hands as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 When I see the Wildcat, I think to myself, this looks very easy to stop. Everyone knows they are going to run it, there really is not much of a threat at all that there will be a throw (so I think), and they should be able to stack it and stop it. Yet, we seem to be pretty damn effective at getting good yardage out of it, rather consistently. Yeah it's being blocked up exceptionally well...have gained at least 4-5 yards every time I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blokestradamus Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Looks pretty good to me! https://gfycat.com/OrganicWelllitAmericanbittern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackFergy Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 In theory, I dont like it. But in practice, it has been working so well that I cant complain. Seems like Lynn understands how to find a good balance and use it only when appropriate. Quite interesting to see hw well players can play when they are on the same page with their coaches. It's the same playbook as they had with Roman, but Lynn is much more in sync with what the players see and want to run as well. And that really is what team work is all about. You dont necessarily have to have the most talented players, but if you can get everyone rowing in the same direction at the same time, you'll be practically unbeatable. Yes. And if we run it 2-3 times per game, opponents have to prepare for it, respond to it, align their defense accordingly thinking it is a run. The game at home vs. the Pats may be the perfect time to pass the ball from the wildcat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 I read somewhere (maybe here) that the backs like getting the ball a few yards deeper so they can see the field and holes better. The Wildcat helps with that and avoids a handoff that takes precious fractions of seconds for holes to close. I agree to use it judiciously, but don't abandon something that works. well said....McCoy seemed to be able to pick his spots well in this...I don't like it either and think it would be easy to stop.....but just because you know the play doesn't mean it can't be successful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 No problems with it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 I think they should try a pass from it and see what happens... Might make the Def's hesitate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 My favorite thing is we use it when it's obvious were going to run anyway. We're going to see 8 in the box anyway. The advantage goes to us with the extra blocker..... when everyone knows were going good to run. Lynn uses it in a practical manner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xsoldier54 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 Hate it. I wanted to reach into my TV and punch Lynn. It is a dated gimmick that you almost never see in the NFL anymore. Running it once is bad enough. Run it 3 or 4 times, and I wonder about his ability to be an OC. It seemed to work pretty well. They got good yardage every time they ran it. I think it's OK to use like they did yesterday, 3 or 4 times a game as long as it continues to work for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CardinalScotts Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 its a tremendous play in short yardage it's virtually impossible to stop for a loss, and they had great success with it yesterday. I'm not big on it generally but if it works run it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R2ITRich Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 I have to be honest, I have never liked the Wildcat. Seems like a waste if you don't at least throw occasionally. If you really plan to run... take Tyrod out and put in an extra blocker. That being said... Can someone provide an intelligent theory behind why this wildcat play is advantageous to a regular running play? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drey Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 You can thank (or hate) David Lee for the Wildcat. After all, he was named "Innovator of the Year" by Sporting News in 2008 for it. I'm ok with it as long as it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JCBoston Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 With any other QB, I'm not a fan, it's too predictable. I'm waiting for them to pitch it out to Tyrod, or run Tyrod in motion out of that formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikef272002 Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 The idea of it from a no huddle/hurry up is interesting. Particularly if you get a favorable defensive set out there like a nickel against 12 personnel. We lined up in the same exact formation every time and just ran different plays from the same formation. This way the kids weren't confused where they should line up. I'd call the play from the side line with hand signals and the QB would yell out the play. If it was through the five hole he'd yell a number that ended in a five, such as 55, or 25. This way the defense didn't hear the same play getting called. (not hard to confuse 6th-8th grade defenders). The key was down blocking (blocking the guy to the left or right of you instead of straight head on blocking, it created big holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 If a play works, I don't care if it's the Wishbone. That Wildcat makes teams prepare for it, and it's valuable if only for that. What I like about it is that LeShady gets time to look for a hole, and then can hit it with speed. It's a lot better than those stupid shotgun handoffs where the RB is flat-flooted when he gets the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 The idea of it from a no huddle/hurry up is interesting. Particularly if you get a favorable defensive set out there like a nickel against 12 personnel. Exactly - TT lines up under center, sees something he likes/helps set blocking for the line and yells out a change and motions himself out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billsrhody Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 It seems to me they're using this as a set up to something else. Based on how much they ran it yesterday I'm guessing they have a plan to install some pass / option wrinkles that will hopefully catch a defense off guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 It should be noted David Lee is an expert on the wildcat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 3, 2016 Author Share Posted October 3, 2016 It seems to me they're using this as a set up to something else. Based on how much they ran it yesterday I'm guessing they have a plan to install some pass / option wrinkles that will hopefully catch a defense off guard. i was thinking (hoping) that might be the case too. Showing it now to set up something for later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountryCletus Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 i was thinking (hoping) that might be the case too. Showing it now to set up something for later. Speaking of setting things up- I thought that they were doing just that with Goodwin- setting up a double move, like a 5-7 yard out and break off to a fly... Maybe they were and just never needed to use it, who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted October 3, 2016 Share Posted October 3, 2016 i was thinking (hoping) that might be the case too. Showing it now to set up something for later.I kept waiting for them to break out the passing play. Maybe we should save it for the rematch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 4, 2016 Author Share Posted October 4, 2016 Haha - Vikings just ran the wildcat on MNF. Don't call it a comeback! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big C Posted October 4, 2016 Share Posted October 4, 2016 Frankly, I was surprised at how effective it was against the Pats....like they didn't believe it was coming, and they didn't prepare for it. Expecially with gilly in there. Yeah, I couldn't believe it was working for us so well, but if it works, I'll take it! Won't expect it often in the future but it was an effective wrinkle in our plan yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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