billsfan_34 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 You know he's played through injuries, right? Last year he did some now hes getting soft some Bills fans clearly don't follow the Bills. It's odd. No we dont scour as much information as we can on a daily basis or have seasons since the franchise started Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Well, I don't comment on actual football stuff often (because I am ignorant compared to so many of you here), but the four QBs you named are terrible and don't have the number of receiver options that T-rod has. I want Sammy to get the ball, and his time is coming, but I don't want Taylor focusing on any given receiver. Spreading the ball around is a better approach IMO, and it has worked fairly well thusfar. I'll now bow out of football analysis, after I say this: love you bro, but shut up and play Sammy. Giving your star receiver 0 targets when he is open is not "spreading the ball around," is it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MRW Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 So is it the bad quarterbacking? The bad game planning? Or is it Sammy? Let's look at what Sammy can control: yards after a catch (YAC). Last year: 5.4 YAC per reception. Meh. OBJ was 5.7. Demaryius Thomas 6.1. Golden Tate 7.3. DeSean Jackson 8.6 if you need a "played with bad QBs" comps. OK, so you say that's not fair. Apples to oranges, etc. EJ and Orton couldn't hit Sammy in stride like Eli hits OBJ in stride, or RG3 hit DeSean in stride (huh?). So let's look at YAC for Bills WRs only. That's fair, right? I mean, all our WRs had the same crappy EJ and Orton throws coming at them and the same Nate Hackett plays called. YAC per catch, 2014: Sammy 5.4 Hogan 4.8 Chandler 4.2 Woods 3.3 So Sammy was just a tick more slippery than ... Chris Hogan. Well there's a ringing endorsement of his "just get me the damn ball" theory .... Seems like an odd stat to get hyperfocused on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Well, I don't comment on actual football stuff often (because I am ignorant compared to so many of you here), but the four QBs you named are terrible and don't have the number of receiver options that T-rod has. I want Sammy to get the ball, and his time is coming, but I don't want Taylor focusing on any given receiver. Spreading the ball around is a better approach IMO, and it has worked fairly well thusfar. I'll now bow out of football analysis, after I say this: love you bro, but shut up and play Sammy. that is certainly valid (TT has more options than those other QBs). But the whole point is Sammy is still the Best option. And I meant that it isn't an excuse to just blame the QB situation and throw up your hands that there is no one to throw him the ball. Those other guys aren't great either and they manage to keep targeting the best option more than the others. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Seems like an odd stat to get hyperfocused on. It was a bad post. I saw that Sammy had the best # on the team and I moved on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I just thought it interesting that a reporter is retweeting shots at Sammy after Sammy took shots at another reporter. Okay. Watkins says he is open 90% of the time. I tend to believe him. To me, that's on the QB (usually). But it's always been unclear to Me why the coaches don't use him more in the screen game. In that college Bcs game against OSU, he must have had 200 yds receiving on screens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlayoffsPlease Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 MIght be the RGIII of receivers. Incredible talent. Strange attitude. Hard time staying on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Watkins says he is open 90% of the time. I tend to believe him. To me, that's on the QB (usually). But it's always been unclear to Me why the coaches don't use him more in the screen game. In that college Bcs game against OSU, he must have had 200 yds receiving on screens. Me too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Sigh... this team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deranged Rhino Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 He sure as hell does need ten targets a game. At least. If they can't get those to him, it's pretty clear it was a huge mistake to spend two first rounders for him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Giving your star receiver 0 targets when he is open is not "spreading the ball around," is it? unless he is the only one thinking he is open< see how that works. its subjective my friend : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Love it! I was hoping he had a little of this in him, a lot of the great ones do Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 unless he is the only one thinking he is open< see how that works. its subjective my friend : ) It's not subjective when they watch the film. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 so. we all know Marone was a weirdo. Now we have a group trying to find their footing. Sammy has been out and injured and is now getting a bit overwound. Run him till pukes. If I was Roman i would give him every trick play in my bag sunday. and then run him up the gut. shut up Sammy. We ALL know you should be getting the ball. Be like Robert and just do your job, before someone cleans your clock McCoy has got up in his head methinks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Oh wow - Sammy not happy with mr. Dunne @sammywatkins: @TyDunne Wish you could have added the part we have so many playmakers and me not caring about numbers I care about winning.. Grow up.. Sir. Wow! So Sammy trusted a reporter, opened up and didn't watch his words with great care, and got "spun". Has Dunne responded? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Wow! So Sammy trusted a reporter, opened up and didn't watch his words with great care, and got "spun". Has Dunne responded? Yeah, Dunne crushed him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) It's not subjective when they watch the film. because lotsa guys are open!!! Thats not the issue. goes back to QB progression, hot reads and trust for TT. he loves Clay and that check to Lesean. Its the QB play not the playcalling. But he is right in his arrogant way. Get that ball out to the playmakers! Edited October 16, 2015 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 so. we all know Marone was a weirdo. Now we have a group trying to find their footing. Sammy has been out and injured and is now getting a bit overwound. Run him till pukes. If I was Roman i would give him every trick play in my bag sunday. and then run him up the gut. shut up Sammy. We ALL know you should be getting the ball. Be like Robert and just do your job, before someone cleans your clock McCoy has got up in his head methinks Oh boy. Now McCoy is involved. Next thing you know, Sammy is throwing a sexy party. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) Wow! So Sammy trusted a reporter, opened up and didn't watch his words with great care, and got "spun". Has Dunne responded? yes. He said he included a few lines about his comments being team-centric. @TyDunne: @sammywatkins Believe that was written. From the story: The difference here is that Watkins vows his call for the ball is team-centric. The theory is that Sammy either only saw the quotes tweeted out by Dunne to tease the story OR only read Rodak's version which completely left out anything team/winning focused. It is also possible that Dunne did indeed leave out other quotes, but we don't know. Edited October 16, 2015 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) So is it the bad quarterbacking? The bad game planning? Or is it Sammy? Let's look at what Sammy can control: yards after a catch (YAC). Last year: 5.4 YAC per reception. Meh. OBJ was 5.7. Demaryius Thomas 6.1. Golden Tate 7.3. DeSean Jackson 8.6 if you need a "played with bad QBs" comps. OK, so you say that's not fair. Apples to oranges, etc. EJ and Orton couldn't hit Sammy in stride like Eli hits OBJ in stride, or RG3 hit DeSean in stride (huh?). So let's look at YAC for Bills WRs only. That's fair, right? I mean, all our WRs had the same crappy EJ and Orton throws coming at them and the same Nate Hackett plays called. YAC per catch, 2014: Sammy 5.4 Hogan 4.8 Chandler 4.2 Woods 3.3 So Sammy was just a tick more slippery than ... Chris Hogan. Well there's a ringing endorsement of his "just get me the damn ball" theory .... As last season wore on I turned on the trade that brought him here, and he has a fair amount of proving to do to justify it. But seriously saying he's only a marginally better talent than Hogan is absurd. If that's what your interpretation of some stats tell you, get more stats and/or a better way to analyze them Edited October 16, 2015 by JTSP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOKIE Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) Giving your star receiver 0 targets when he is open is not "spreading the ball around," is it?Not arguing, just curious, for the year, what is the average number of targets per game of our top four receivers? Not counting games when the receiver is not in the game, obviously. Edited October 16, 2015 by SAMMY HANDWICH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Leadership. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 yes. He said he included a few lines about his comments being team-centric. The theory is that Sammy either only saw the quotes tweeted out by Dunne to tease the story OR only read Rodak's version which completely left out anything team/winning focused. It is also possible that Dunne did indeed leave out other quotes, but we don't know. Or maybe he pulled a Goodell and tried to do something after the response was iffy. It would seem he either wasn't happy with the final cut or he wasn't happy with the way the highlights were spun. Either way I bet he thinks twice before going to reporters for this stuff, especially Dunne specifically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saint Doug Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerbelly Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Does he realize he has been healthy for 2 games this season? It would be different if he was healthy. Sammy is soft. Time to suck it up, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Sammy is soft. Time to suck it up, The kid played with broken ribs last year, please stop this madness Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 http://bills.buffalonews.com/2015/10/15/sammy-watkins-speaks-up-when-i-get-one-on-one-just-target-me/ Quote: “Everybody looks at you getting zero catches, zero yards but when you look on film 90 percent of the time you’re open,” Watkins said. “I understand that these guys are young and they need some time to trust me. Once we get that trust, it’ll be different. But for me, I need the ball at least 10 times — I need 10 targets — and I’ll be fine with however many yards I get. And that’s what I addressed in talking with my agent. We reached out to a couple people and tried to pull some strings like, ‘Hey, I need my targets. You came up to draft me and I’m not getting targets — that’s a problem. You’re making me look bad and you’re making yourself look bad. Why not make both of us look good?’” “You really just put it on film," Watkins said, "and go to the coach like, ‘Hey, I’m getting open. What’s the deal here?’ Don’t be an (expletive) about it, just go talk to him about the situation. I see the bigger picture. I enjoy spreading the ball around. It makes my job easier. But at the same time, for a guy you go up in the draft to take as your No. 1 receiver, you would love those 15 targets that Julio gets, those 20 targets that Odell gets. Of course I’d have 100 yards every game and a TD, if I’m getting 20 targets." UPDATE: Sammy responds... @sammywatkins: @TyDunne Wish you could have added the part we have so many playmakers and me not caring about numbers I care about winning.. Grow up.. Sir. Sammy Watkins, our Sammy: this is why you need to keep some of these frustrations and inner workings "in the family". Because once you let your words loose outside the building, anyone who hears them can bend fold snip and rearrange and omit any way they want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 A few thoughts about this. He's right. He needs to shut up. Why is this coming out of his mouth now when he hasnt been able to get on the field for a couple of weeks? He needs to shut up. He's right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) "They know I want the ball," Reed said Thursday, renewing his campaign for a change in the Bills' offensive system. "It's just a matter of them trying to get it to me in certain situations. We can't nickel-and-dime all the time. We have to go downfield, too. They have to get me the ball more often; that's the bottom line." Reed blames the Bills' quarterbacks coach, Jim Shofner, for his lower numbers. He says that Shofner is "conservative" and "afraid to try too many things. "He's a new guy," said Reed, who turned 29 today. "The guy we had for three or four years, Ted Marchibroda, he liked to take more chances because he was more confident with the offense. Jim Shofner is not as confident, because he's new. He likes to stick to things he knows. "There are a lot of things I see on film that we can do that we don't do and I don't understand it." http://www.nytimes.com/1993/01/31/sports/super-bowl-xxvii-reed-s-left-out-feeling-a-sour-note-for-buffalo.html Drops the mic.... Edited October 16, 2015 by Reed83HOF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talley56 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 When exactly has he been open and not gotten the targets? Is there video evidence of this? If so, where? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 When exactly has he been open and not gotten the targets? Is there video evidence of this? If so, where?all-22, live viewing at the stadium, film Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 "They know I want the ball," Reed said Thursday, renewing his campaign for a change in the Bills' offensive system. "It's just a matter of them trying to get it to me in certain situations. We can't nickel-and-dime all the time. We have to go downfield, too. They have to get me the ball more often; that's the bottom line." Reed blames the Bills' quarterbacks coach, Jim Shofner, for his lower numbers. He says that Shofner is "conservative" and "afraid to try too many things. "He's a new guy," said Reed, who turned 29 today. "The guy we had for three or four years, Ted Marchibroda, he liked to take more chances because he was more confident with the offense. Jim Shofner is not as confident, because he's new. He likes to stick to things he knows. "There are a lot of things I see on film that we can do that we don't do and I don't understand it." http://www.nytimes.com/1993/01/31/sports/super-bowl-xxvii-reed-s-left-out-feeling-a-sour-note-for-buffalo.html Drops the mic.... Main difference - Andre Reed - "The most prolific pass receiver in Bills history. He earned a fifth trip to the Pro Bowl. It isn't enough. He is used to even more." Sammy Watkins - had a good rookie year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Christ Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Hard to be open when you acting like your hurt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nuncha Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Sammy is soft. Time to suck it up, ^^ This.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 "They know I want the ball," Reed said Thursday, renewing his campaign for a change in the Bills' offensive system. "It's just a matter of them trying to get it to me in certain situations. We can't nickel-and-dime all the time. We have to go downfield, too. They have to get me the ball more often; that's the bottom line." http://www.nytimes.com/1993/01/31/sports/super-bowl-xxvii-reed-s-left-out-feeling-a-sour-note-for-buffalo.html Drops the mic.... haha I thought of Reed too. Don't forget he coached Sammy in TC. Probably gave him a little advice. Reed says that every time he went back to the huddle he told Jim "hey - I'm open." Because he knew even if he wasn't open, he was open. The Bills didn't trade up for Sammy just to throw to him when he "looks" open. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 (edited) Not arguing, just curious, for the year, what is the average number of targets per game of our top four receivers? Not counting games when the receiver is not in the game, obviously. Here's a link to your query 1) Clay: 32 Targets, 5 games (6.4 per Game) 2) Harvin: 30 Targets, 5 Games (6 per Game) 3) Woods: 17 Targets, 5 Games (3.4 per Game) 4) Hogan: 13 Targets, 5 Games (2.6 per Game) 5) Watkins: 13 Targets, 3 Games (4.3 per Game) 6) McCoy: 11 Targets, 3 Games (3.7 per Game) 7) Karlos: 7 Targets, 4 Games (1.75 per Game) Interestingly, Watkins also has the lowest Catch % of any of our players with 5 or more targets per those stats, but he also has the highest yards per catch of the same group. Edited October 16, 2015 by BuffaloHokie13 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Main difference - Andre Reed - "The most prolific pass receiver in Bills history. He earned a fifth trip to the Pro Bowl. It isn't enough. He is used to even more." Sammy Watkins - had a good rookie year Point is all WRs want the ball and when they aren't getting they aren't happy...Sammy is no different than any other WR; they all say I'm open throw me the ball... On a side note when you trade up to pick#4 for a WR...You throw him the damn ball haha I thought of Reed too. Don't forget he coached Sammy in TC. Probably gave him a little advice. Reed says that every time he went back to the huddle he told Jim "hey - I'm open." Because he knew even if he wasn't open, he was open. The Bills didn't trade up for Sammy just to throw to him when he "looks" open. Ding Ding Ding we have a winner! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 This is the cocky attitude I've heard from people who have seen/met him out in Buffalo. I WANT that attitude from my star players. The dude is a phenomenal talent, THROW HIM THE DAMN BALL!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Point is all WRs want the ball and when they aren't getting they aren't happy...Sammy is no different than any other WR; they all say I'm open throw me the ball... On a side note when you trade up to pick#4 for a WR...You throw him the damn ball Ding Ding Ding we have a winner! Do they all say "you're making me look bad, I'm just as good as (insert way more productive WR's here)!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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