Diggs traded to Texans for picks

[MAJBobby]

5 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Cant wait to hear what Sal (there is no possible way to move on from Diggs this year) has to say on my drive home.

He is in Australia I think so 

[DanInUticaTampa]

4 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

A 5th & a 6th have the same value as a 2nd?  Would you feel better if we got back 3 7th round picks instead?

if he was the texans GM, we could have traded on 6th and 7th for houstons 1st!

[MAJBobby]

4 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

A couple things. 

 

1.  volume of picks and value of picks are different things.    You would rather have a 2 vs a 5 and 6.

2.  This is often not understood....you trade contracts as much as players.   The Texans are taking a toxic/crap contract off the Bills hands.  So yes they are getting a player but it comes with a high AAV for them also.

3.  Diggs is over 30

Wait until Diggs does his yeah I need a new deal on this and kills the Out that Houston has after this year.  Because that is still coming 

[Gregg]

Just now, CirclnWagons said:

I know money talks but how does the organization justify using one of Allen’s remaining prime years on a rebuild? Imagine going to work everyday knowing that you will not succeed for at least the next year. He’s counting the bucks but that would be hard for someone that competitive 

 

We have to see how the draft plays out. The Bills are going to address the WR position this draft and it is a deep draft for WR's this year. 

[Low Positive]

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• "I Told you so" posters
• The homer police
• Irrational doom and gloomers
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• People still hoping to be proven right on their 2018 draft-night hot takes

[MAJBobby]

2 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:

Number one wide receivers aren't easily found

And Houston didnt find one either.  They have one already before Diggs.  Watch Diggs have less targets than Dell and Collins (as long as they stay healthy)

[sven233]

There are so many angles to this to break down.....some good, some bad.

 

1.  The player - I will say this about the player himself.  I have been a fan of Diggs before he ever put on a Buffalo uniform.  When I used to watch the Vikings play, I watched him and wished we had a player like him.  A true route runner.  A guy that played with passion and fire.  So, when we traded for him, I was very excited.  And that is the player we got......for the most part.  As a performer in the regular season, Diggs, with the help of Josh Allen, was a top 5 WR in this league.  At certain points, you could argue that there was nobody better as a pure route runner.  But, what we have found out over the last few years is that as good as he was in the regular season, he never showed up in the playoffs.  He vanished and was a non factor in the biggest moments of the season.  Now, not all of that is on him, of course, but regardless of the reasons, he never was that alpha we needed when it was all on the line.  Unfortunately, the lasting image I will have of Diggs in a Bills uniform will not be a big TD or a dominant playoff performer, but rather of him dropping a crucial deep ball against the Chiefs when we were in position to take that game over and win that game.  I don't know when or why it happened, but he suddenly became a guy that didn't win contested catches, would short arm balls and shy away from contact.  It also became apparent in the second half of the year he was no longer the go-to guy he was when he got here and that he had noticeably lost a step and couldn't separate like he used to.  Whether he was here this season or not, we were going to be looking to draft his replacement as he had fallen to WR2 status.  That said, I am glad he was a Bill for the last few years.  Just wish we could have gotten more out of him in the playoffs.

 

2.  Dead Cap Hit - Over $31 million dollars is counting against us for a player not even suiting up for us this season.  That is not ideal.  Now, next season, having that money available will be great and allow us to do some things, but man......that's a tough pill to swallow and, hopefully, there is a play in place to make up for his lack of being here.

 

3.  The WR Position - What was already a very weak position on this team is suddenly on life support at the moment.  WR1, WR2.....both gone now.  Yes, Curtis Samuel is here, and I do like him as a player, but he was not signed to be this team's top WR, or even a WR2.  He is a great utility guy that will see a ton of snaps in our offense, but he will be used all over the field at WR and even RB at times.  He is not a true X.  Never has been, never will be.  So, even before this trade happened, drafting a new WR1 was a top priority, now it is an absolute must.  

 

4.  The Draft - The draft was already shaping up to be interesting this year because we all knew adding another weapon at WR was a must.  Now it might be the most obvious thing in the NFL.  I would hope Brandon Beane and the rest of the front office doesn't make a trade like this without a plan in place.  So, while I didn't want to rule out a trade up for one of this year's top 3 WR prospects, I wasn't expecting it because of how deep the WR position is overall.  But now.....while I still don't expect a huge trade up, I do think it is a lot more of a possibility than I did before this trade.  The thing is, now, not only do you need your new WR1, but you also need a WR2.  Can you find a way to get both done if you trade up?  Not sure, but there is a little more ammo to move around the board a bit to do it if you get creative enough.  So, what was already a very interesting draft just got a lot more compelling.

 

5.  The return - A 2nd Round Pick next year.  I know some say that wasn't enough, but I get it.  If you look at what other WRs have been traded for this offseason and last, they haven't gone for much.  Getting a 2nd for a guy that is on the wrong side of 30, has noticeably lost a step, and maybe even feeling forced into the trade in the first place, overall isn't that bad of a return if you ask me.  All that said, I would be somewhat shocked if we ever use that pick on a player.  I think that pick will be moved in an effort to move around the board to find Diggs' replacement.

 

In the end, this wasn't an ideal ending for this player here.  I truly wish we could have gotten over the hump with him here because he was a great player.  I am not going to get into the behind the scenes stuff because none of us are there and none of us really know what everything was truly like.  But, even putting all of that aside, what this all comes down to me, is that he will go down as a great Bills player that never got it done when it mattered most.  Unfortunately, we have had a lot of those players here through the years.  Eating the dead cap bites.  It really does.  But, we have a chance to lessen the sting based on how the draft plays out.  I am confident Beane has had discussions with teams in the top 10 and he knows what it would take to get there if he wants to.  I am sure he has had the same conversations for the top 20.  I know this draft is loaded with WR talent.  That's great.  But, the fact is, while there is a lot of talent, the opportunities to find a true X WR are not that deep.  There are a ton of complimentary WR2, WR3, and beyond, but in terms of a true X, the options are limited a bit.  I was already pumped for the draft.  Now I'm counting down the days because it could be really exciting for us.

 

GO BILLS!  

Edited April 3 by sven233

[Cray51]

Just now, CirclnWagons said:

I know money talks but how does the organization justify using one of Allen’s remaining prime years on a rebuild? Imagine going to work everyday knowing that you will not succeed for at least the next year. He’s counting the bucks but that would be hard for someone that competitive 

Whether or not they are right, Beane and co BELIEVE they can fill Diggs role and production within the next season.  When you think about it, Diggs came in at 26/27 years old as a prime breakout WR, and had 3 years of top tier impact.  Then he starts to fall off, Brady can't find a way to make him explode in production, and now we have an unhappy Diggs who is over 30 and Beane made the decision to move on.

 

My guess, they trade up and make a play for Brian Thomas.  MAYBE they try to pull an Allen move and make two trades to get to 6 with the Giants for Nabers...

 

Either way, the Bills believe they have an ability to use Kincaid/Cook/WR Drafted/etc. to make this team's offense productive.

[die hard bills fan]

This sucks in many ways especially since a got a Diggs jersey for Christmas and not worn yet and now never will.😢

[papazoid]

kudos to this TBD poster noticing on SATURDAY the line moving diggs to houston

 

 

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/253911-to-my-gamblers-interesting-odds-change-regarding-where-diggs-plays-in-24/

 

[babulator]

I bet Diggs will be cut after year 2, if not sooner. 😶

[Low Positive]

Diggs and Joe Mixon in one locker room. What could go wrong?

[Logic]

 

[MAJBobby]

 

[rajinka]

Honestly I'm most upset now I need to trade my dog.  Sorry diggy it's a business decision.  

[MAJBobby]

 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, rajinka said:

Honestly I'm most upset now I need to trade my dog.  Sorry diggy it's a business decision.  

 

One of my dogs is named McKenzie.

[Cray51]

Cosell made an interesting point, WRs tend to fall in the draft almost every year.  I think about the Jeudy draft, Lamb and Jeudy all fell 5-7 spots from their rankings.  Garrett Wilson fell a few spots to the Jets in 22

WR wasn't a pick until 20 last year.

 

Not that it's a fact, but those mocks that have Odunze/Nabers/Harrison ALL going by pick 9... they may not be incredibly accurate to how teams draft.  Maybe one falls to 13-15 potentially, and then a team makes a move.

[davefan66]

46 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

Not sure why they did not wait until after June 1st,  cap savings much higher and they could have signed another WR to help.  I don't want to hear excuses if the season goes bad.  Someone needs to be fired, no more built in excuses. 

Got best value for him.

 

Texans wanted picks this year, albeit low round. Couldn’t happen if post June 1.

[Low Positive]

6 minutes ago, die hard bills fan said:

This sucks in many ways especially since a got a Diggs jersey for Christmas and not worn yet and now never will.😢

My son's jersey is a blue Diggs. My daughter's is a red Tre White. I guess we'll have to do a bit of shopping in the near future.

[MAJBobby]

 

[SoonerBillsFan]

How far can #28, a 4th this year and a 2nd next year move us up in the draft?

[Figster]

Some bad chemistry going on, I get it. On the other hand, one of the best QB's the league has ever seen doesn't have a WR1, or WR2.

 

I sure hope the Beane head has something up his sleave besides switching to a run 1st O...

[MJS]

1 minute ago, Cray51 said:

Cosell made an interesting point, WRs tend to fall in the draft almost every year.  I think about the Jeudy draft, Lamb and Jeudy all fell 5-7 spots from their rankings.  Garrett Wilson fell a few spots to the Jets in 22

WR wasn't a pick until 20 last year.

 

Not that it's a fact, but those mocks that have Odunze/Nabers/Harrison ALL going by pick 9... they may not be incredibly accurate to how teams draft.  Maybe one falls to 13-15 potentially, and then a team makes a move.

QB's are still king, and they can push more talented prospects down the board. Then there are teams that just need to draft certain positions because they have holes, which pushes talent down as well.

[papazoid]

1 minute ago, Low Positive said:

My son's jersey is a blue Diggs. My daughter's is a red Tre White. I guess we'll have to do a bit of shopping in the near future.

 

thats why i only buy retired ring of honor players

[Goin Breakdown]

8 minutes ago, papazoid said:

kudos to this TBD poster noticing on SATURDAY the line moving diggs to houston

 

 

https://www.twobillsdrive.com/community/topic/253911-to-my-gamblers-interesting-odds-change-regarding-where-diggs-plays-in-24/

 

I hate that gambling is part of this sport so largely. Makes me lose trust in the sport. 

[Cray51]

Just now, MJS said:

QB's are still king, and they can push more talented prospects down the board. Then there are teams that just need to draft certain positions because they have holes, which pushes talent down as well.

Im thinking OT and QB push the board down.  From there, do any teams go CB or DE because they really want to fill a need?  If things start shaking out that way... may create opportunity for a WR to slip a bit

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

 

he is, of course, correct

 

wish they'd have cut MIller too

 

he's useless

 

[Nephilim17]

9 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

I absolutely love this guy. And he is 100% correct.

Cosell comments:

1. Not a big market for Steph; the league tells you what someone is worth
2. Steph is no longer a true boundary Alpha and not a vertical threat at this point
3. He's now a number 2 on Houston and will help them
4. Outside of Big 3 in draft, these guys can be true Alpha 1's: Thomas could be, and AD Mitchell, but Thomas is probably more advanced at the moment a bit
5. Replaced Diggs with a younger more explosive version of him in Samuel
6. Third guy? How do you feel about Worthy? If you get him, you need to put him in motion and get him off the line clean
7. Agrees "without question" to Brown's thought of Bills feel better about spreading ball around in second half of season
8. They do NOT need specific roles for players: Boundary X or slot, players can move around
9. Bills need 2 WRs out of this draft
10. He really likes Ladd McConkey and sees him as plug and play in the "right" scheme, such as the Rams, but he's not a vertical threat (never outright said Bills should go after him though but talked him up a lot)
11. He is "sure" they see Kincaid in a more "advanced role and more than a tight end" this season

Tasker comments:

1. Bills wanted to move on a year early instead of a year late
2. Another step is part of this in the draft
3. The trade says there are multiple players they like in the draft at WR
4. Likes McConkey as a player a lot too (never said the Bills should take him but interesting how much time they talked up Ladd)

[dollars 2 donuts]

10 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

This thread has everything

• "I Told you so" posters
• The homer police
• Irrational doom and gloomers
• Irrationaly positive posters
• People still hoping to be proven right on their 2018 draft-night hot takes

 

 

You left me out...

 

• The only guy asking about our 2025 cap

 

 

[MJS]

1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said:

How far can #28, a 4th this year and a 2nd next year move us up in the draft?

My guess is around pick 15. Something like that.

[SF Bills Fan]

10 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

This thread has everything

• "I Told you so" posters
• The homer police
• Irrational doom and gloomers
• Irrationaly positive posters
• People still hoping to be proven right on their 2018 draft-night hot takes

All five stages of grief are here. Denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance. I went right to acceptance. I suspect many are stuck in depression right now and will be until draft. 

[CincyBillsFan]

2 minutes ago, Figster said:

Some bad chemistry going on, I get it. On the other hand, one of the best QB's the league has ever seen doesn't have a WR1, or WR2.

 

I sure hope the Beane head has something up his sleave besides switching to a run 1st O...

I am very confident that Curtis Samuel is a #2.

[Matt_In_NH]

15 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

He is in Australia I think so 

ok mate

[Dr. K]

32 minutes ago, eball said:

 

This is an uninformed take.  Diggs' contract is HUGE.  He's 31 and anyone can see how his performance has diminished.  The Bills didn't have to give up anything significant in the '24 draft to make this happen and get them out from under that contract in a year, plus they got an additional piece of draft capital to go and get their guy this year if they want to (and pay him a rookie contract).

 

I think the trade is a win for the Bills and a "to be determined" for the Texans -- but I understand why Caserio did it.

 

My point was not that Beane made a bad trade, but that the fact that he made the trade on these terms tells us that no other team was willing to give more for Diggs, and so Beane was forced to give up draft picks in addition to Diggs, with only a second round pick NEXT YEAR in compensation, and no 2024 picks from Houston. 

It suggests that the Bills were determined to dump Diggs, that they do not feel he is worth any more than they got for him. 

 

Whether or not it proves to be a "win" for the Bills down the road, Beane clearly thought it was a win now, or he wouldn't have made the trade. 

Edited April 3 by Dr. K

[MAJBobby]

 

 

[Bruffalo]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

 

Sounds like my mother. 

[Victory Formation]

I can’t wait to see Cover 1 break this down.

[MAJBobby]

 

[Buffalo Boy]

33 minutes ago, MJS said:

Kelce is a shadow of himself, honestly. He's still good but not the dominant force he used to be. And the Bills have a good defense too.

 

There's really nothing to be panicking about, especially before the roster is even set.

A couple TDs and back breaking uncontested catches? Old Kelce made a mockery of our piss poor D in the last game.