Gugny Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, ExiledInIllinois said: And you know this how? Cite your sources. 😏 He was coveted by Beane as a pass-catching receiver who would play a significant role in the offense. And when he got to Buffalo, the asinine coaches failed to integrate him into the offense and he became a special teams player. You do the math, Einstein. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 (edited) Buffalo has been a place where veteran RBs go to die. I undertsand the release, but Beane traded for the guy and they hardly used him. What a waste. Edited March 4 by Chicken Boo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 2 minutes ago, Gugny said: He was coveted by Beane as a pass-catching receiver who would play a significant role in the offense. And when he got to Buffalo, the asinine coaches failed to integrate him into the offense and he became a special teams player. You do the math, Einstein. I feel like the change offensive coordinator would’ve really helped hines It’s still might if they cut him they can still bring him back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 4 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said: This is what I said would likely happen when people were worried a while back about Beane's comments. His contract was just too easy to cut for cap issues, he was always going to need to be cut, but I do think they would still bring him back cheaper if he wants to be back and compete in camp. Why would he sign back here? To sit on the bench or be a healthy scratch every week? There are teams out there that will actually utilize his talents. It's one of those situations where the Bills don't need him and he doesn't need the Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 5 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Didn’t Beane previously state he told Hines he’d be on the roster? I think the comment was "do right by him" By guess is that they went to him looking for a pay cut because the $5.5 M was a lot for a player who was a gadget two years ago but if his agent dug in it's a no brainer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 They’ll let him shop his services around and then return at a cheaper price if he can’t find what he wants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Everyone talking about Beane lying, who says he did? We never got the 100% specifics of the agreement. And as reported,it sounds like he failed a physical. I think everyone drastically overstated the commitment if it were guaranteed - it’d be on paper and not just a handshake. 27 minutes ago, thewookie1 said: They’ll let him shop his services around and then return at a cheaper price if he can’t find what he wants. It’s the best courtesy they can afford him in the situation. Holding him til final cuts is much worse when you know he won’t play on that contract 37 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: I think the comment was "do right by him" By guess is that they went to him looking for a pay cut because the $5.5 M was a lot for a player who was a gadget two years ago but if his agent dug in it's a no brainer Do right is releasing him should he can find market value and a good fit- maybe even here 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggerdaddynj Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 4 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: You can't forecast anything like that. This is true. I still think a lot of the lack of usage is on Dorsey for not getting him SOME kind of small roll. Either way, with the production the Colts ended up getting from Moss this year...I'll say we're square from the Hughes/Sheppard trade before that😂 The Hughes trade was a great one, nine years out of him! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 (edited) 4 hours ago, Punching Bag said: He made significant impact on special teams and because he was traded mid-season he did not have time to be integrated into offense. Yep. He didn’t have time to be integrated into the offense. Err….uh…. Edited March 4 by Jim 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 17 minutes ago, Jim said: Yep. He didn’t have time to be integrated into the offense. Err….uh…. just absolutely wild he couldn’t at least get a package of plays for the guy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwhit34 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Hines, Harty and Neal cuts would save $11.7 million, Allen convert salary to bonus would free up about $18-22 million depending how they do it. That gets them to about $11 million over the cap without impacting the roster really at all (RB4, WR5, special teams guy). Easy restructures/extensions for T Johnson, Douglas, Dawkins will get them under by $5-8 million, other things can be done without terrible future consequences, I bet they end up at least $20-25 million under at start of free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExWNYer Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 6 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Harty next? L'il s'Harty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 4 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said: You can't forecast anything like that. This is true. I still think a lot of the lack of usage is on Dorsey for not getting him SOME kind of small roll. Either way, with the production the Colts ended up getting from Moss this year...I'll say we're square from the Hughes/Sheppard trade before that😂 You think the Colts got the same value the Bills did from those 2 trades? Moss didn’t even have 800 yards this year, was pretty much phased out by the end of the year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 6 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Harty next? Though I'd have no problem with it, I think if Hines isn't here - it's less likely. The difference between not having him on a release (3.2m saved) and keeping him on a restructure (2.2m saved) is just 1 million dollars. I feel like Beane would rather keep him as the Returner and as a guy who has a year of experience in the system and with Josh for just a million. Even if he's just the last WR on the 53. Though again, it doesn't matter to me either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Cant forecast Hines injury...ok. He is a guy that barely got any snaps and was set top be paid $5M. In jury or no injury he was not sticking around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 11 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said: You think the Colts got the same value the Bills did from those 2 trades? Moss didn’t even have 800 yards this year, was pretty much phased out by the end of the year Why so serious? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Honestly, losing both him & Damien Harris early in the season really hurt our chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkKelso'sHelmet Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 (edited) I know the ACL injury wasn't 100% his fault, but it was still stupid by Hines. Why put yourself in a position to get injured in the offseason? You're 26-27, only a few years in the league if you're lucky. Jet ski after you've retired. He had this coming. The point is that offseason / off-field /non-training injuries like of this nature are unacceptable. Buffalo shouldn't have been obliged to pay his salary last year. Good call to axe his contract as it shows horrible judgement on the part of Hines. Edited March 4 by MarkKelso'sHelmet 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said: Why would he sign back here? To sit on the bench or be a healthy scratch every week? There are teams out there that will actually utilize his talents. It's one of those situations where the Bills don't need him and he doesn't need the Bills. He would likely compete for that Ty Johnson role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 7 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Didn’t Beane previously state he told Hines he’d be on the roster? He did. WTH? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Beane really had horrible luck with some of his moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Too bad for him, honestly, but the team has to look out for the team. I remember a theory floated here that Beane had some agreement with Hines after some restructure or something so that the Bills wouldn't cut him. Do I remember correctly? $5 million for a back-up RB is insane. Beane did what he had to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 The Moss for Hines trade was a good one for both players and both teams. Moss is a good RB who never fit into Buffalo's schemes. The Colts use him in line with his skill set. So the trade isn't what was bad, it was drafting him in the first place without evaluating accurately whether he'd fit. Hines looked great as a kick returner and showed flashes of quickness and power as an RB. I don't think the Bills need him very badly as a backup but if Cook goes down, Hines' speed could be very important until Cook returns. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 The curse of zero. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CheshireCT Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 3 hours ago, Utah John said: The Moss for Hines trade was a good one for both players and both teams. Moss is a good RB who never fit into Buffalo's schemes. The Colts use him in line with his skill set. So the trade isn't what was bad, it was drafting him in the first place without evaluating accurately whether he'd fit. Hines looked great as a kick returner and showed flashes of quickness and power as an RB. I don't think the Bills need him very badly as a backup but if Cook goes down, Hines' speed could be very important until Cook returns. agree about the trade, was good for both teams. No matter what players you have, there will always be some injuries or freak off-the-field things that happen. It’s a game of percentages. my view is, any player who can be cut for savings on the Bills roster with little or no cap hit is a cut candidate. It’s unfortunate for those players…. Bills can’t afford to keep Hines, especially given his injury. He just caught a bad break and I hope he can get his career going again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 In Buffalo moss was a serious candidate. We parlayed that in to getting two touchdown returns in a game from Hines and solid special teams play the rest of the time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Guy was a solid dud before he fell off his ski-doo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 Teams make trades they don’t work out all the time. Remember when the eagles traded Edmunds and two picks for Byard? Remember how that made Howie Roseman a genius? The Eagles just released him. Half a season of a guy that didn’t put them over the hump at all cost them a 4th and a 6th. Sometimes you take a swing and miss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted March 4 Share Posted March 4 18 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: A lot of people here hang on every word he says … even when he has shown a number of times that he will say one thing and do another … Some of it is disinformation to mislead other teams, particularly ahead of the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 On 3/3/2024 at 7:38 PM, Chicken Boo said: Why would he sign back here? To sit on the bench or be a healthy scratch every week? There are teams out there that will actually utilize his talents. It's one of those situations where the Bills don't need him and he doesn't need the Bills. Dorsey vs Brady is why Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 20 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Guy was a solid dud before he fell off his ski-doo He didn't fall off. He was sitting on it, not moving, and some doofus crashed into him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 5 Share Posted March 5 3 hours ago, Utah John said: He didn't fall off. He was sitting on it, not moving, and some doofus crashed into him. "But while he was stopped behind a row of boats, on the way back to return the Sea-Doo, he noticed one vessel moving in his direction, so he quickly swerved to avoid it and was struck by his friend and former track and field teammate at North Carolina State, Dylan Peebles, who was allegedly going between 20-40 MPH." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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