What is your level of patience on not advancing to the Super Bowl?

[PBF81]

1 minute ago, Gregg said:

 

Jets are a bit of a wild card here. We have to see how the off-season plays out but if they can improve their OL then they could be tough if they keep Rodgers healthy. Their D is pretty good. They just got worn out at the end of the year being on the field too much and getting no help from the offense. Rodgers would change that.

 

Maybe going forward, but there's very limited excuse for losing to them with Zach Wilson at the helm.  

 

There's zero excuse for losing to them in both of the last two seasons with Wilson at the helm.  

 

 

[Chaos]

2 hours ago, Virgil said:

This is tough for me.  Normally, I would say they should make the change this offseason.  But then again, what are we really asking for here?  We are looking for someone to do what no one else can.  I'd argue that McD plays Reid better than any other coach.  We scored more points against the Chiefs than anyone else did in the playoffs, same in prior years.  

 

With that being said, you're asking do we drop the #2 coach for a hopeful coach that can do what no one else has.  

 

I'm not sure how to answer that honestly.  

I think Zack Taylor’s record against Reid in the playoffs is better 

I fully expected this crowd was more vice than virtue driven 😀  the numbers don’t lie. 

[strive_for_five_guy]

1 hour ago, SoMAn said:

 

Q: What is your level of patience on not advancing to the Super Bowl?  

A: No patience, I would already have made a change.

And yet, even moving the comma, (it should actually be a period) it still doesn't make sense in the context of the question. The first part and second part seem to contradict each other. 

Excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall.

Just embrace the chaos, man!

[BullBuchanan]

I put "no patience" as I'm pretty confident McDermott hit his ceiling years ago, but with that said, I'm also not a big believer that we'll hire a better coach or that any version of this roster will win a Super Bowl unless Mahomes and Burrow get knocked out before we face them in the playoffs, and San Francisco isn't our opponent. I think we're basically a less talented version of the 00's Chargers. Maybe when Kelce retires we'll get a shot, or maybe they trade for Sam LaPorta and then we're stuck in the same hole again.

My best hope for a Bills SB is that Allen outlasts Mahomes and gets an Elway/Manning type win late in his career. Given the wear and tear his body take though, that's a tall order unless Mahomes just wants to walk away.

[BuffaL0L0k0]

3 hours ago, Virgil said:

This is tough for me.  Normally, I would say they should make the change this offseason.  But then again, what are we really asking for here?  We are looking for someone to do what no one else can.  I'd argue that McD plays Reid better than any other coach.  We scored more points against the Chiefs than anyone else did in the playoffs, same in prior years.  

 

With that being said, you're asking do we drop the #2 coach for a hopeful coach that can do what no one else has.  

 

I'm not sure how to answer that honestly.  

YOU'RE Da Man! ...Virgil, 5 lines, boom! answer is in!

[Freddie's Dead]

McDummy must go.  That is all.

[Chandler#81]

There’s a level? 😳

How’d I’d miss that memo??

[Chaos]

5 hours ago, MJS said:

I guess I have infinite patience, because I'm going to watch the team each year regardless.

 

What are you going to do, stop supporting the team? Put up a billboard? I don't really get it.

Fair question, since none of us are Pegula.  I guess my intention was how far yout patience goes before you would be upset as a fan to keep the HC.  

[Shaw66]

I voted for "Never make a change as long as the team is competive and makes or amlost makes the playoffs every year."  I might not have spelled it that way, but that's okay. 

 

The answer is a bit misleading, and I think the poll asks the wrong question.   

 

The question is when would make a change?  And the offered answers are specific periods of time.  The real answer is that I don't make a change if I have confidence that the leadership I have can do the job.   And I would not decide whether they can do the job based on the fact that they haven't won the Super Bowl yet.  So, yes, if the team is competitive every year, I'm keeping my leadership team UNLESS they've shown me things that make me believe they can't do it.  Shown me actual, real things, like they have trouble keeping assistants because they're such hardasses and won't change.  Not just, well, they haven't won the Super Bowl yet.  

 

If four years from now, the Bills have won the AFC East four times, had the #1 seed once, gone to one Super Bowl and lost, am I replacing Beane and McDermott?  I'd think about it, but probably not.  

[Chaos]

43 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I might not have spelled it that way

43 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

The question is when would make a change? 

Unless Terry is a member of this forum, none of us get to make a change. We can be upset, indifferent or any other emotion we want about the situation.  

44 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

gone to one Super Bowl and lost,

question specifically asks about NOT going to the Super Bowl.  Whole different kettle of fish if we start playing in and winning conference championships. 

[Shaw66]

2 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Unless Terry is a member of this forum, none of us get to make a change. We can be upset, indifferent or any other emotion we want about the situation.  

Absolutely.   But some people get a lot of enjoyment, or get to vent, or whatever, by pretending they now what the right thing to do is. 

[Bill from NYC]

9 hours ago, Chaos said:

This poll is intended to record your level of virtue.  The bigger the number you pick, the more virtuous you are. 

What you consider virtue, others might deem it to be blind allegiance but hey, that's what makes the world go around, right?

[CheshireCT]

45% of this board wants to fire the coach? y'all nuts??? is 45% of this board under the age of 6???? because it's the only logical explanation.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

I think we have to make it to the AFC title game next year or McDermott is gone.

 

Super Bowl appearance next year is not necessary. 
 

The other thing I would watch closely is how McDermotts defense plays in the AFC title game. If the Bills lose and the defense gives up 27+ for the 5th straight year, that is frankly, unacceptable and the Bills should make a change.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

What you consider virtue, others might deem it to be blind allegiance but hey, that's what makes the world go around, right?

Blind allegiance is the sportsfan's birthright

 

it's how we justify laughing at Mike McCarthy and Nick Siriani while convincing ourselves Sean McDermott is a top5 head coach

[Bill from NYC]

8 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Absolutely.   But some people get a lot of enjoyment, or get to vent, or whatever, by pretending they now what the right thing to do is. 

Some just have an opinion, some have blind loyalty. Do you think that it is OK for a fan to want to get rid of McDermott? 

 

You seem to want to keep him and I'm fine with that. We are just Bills fans who view the situation differently. 

Edited February 16 by Bill from NYC

[Chaos]

5 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

What you consider virtue, others might deem it to be blind allegiance but hey, that's what makes the world go around, right?

its possible the original contained a mild amount of sarcasm. possibly. 

[Bill from NYC]

Just now, Chaos said:

its possible the original contained a mild amount of sarcasm. possibly. 

Sorry, I did not get that vibe! 👍🏈 👍

[ProcessTruster]

oh shut up.  59-25 just does not lie.  

[Toyo321]

I am just sick and tired of McD.  I absolutely despise that we have no one to VET him and his sorry ass.

 

Pegula maybee smart but he is to reserved to be a NFL owner.  He does not have the right attitude and needs to be more abrasive when it is needed.

 

McD to me is just Marty Schottenheimer and Dan Reeves part II.

 

Until then................Super Bowl ????

 

Edited February 16 by Toyo321

[Einstein]

7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Yea my level of patience isn't endless…

 

I think there does come a point when even if you don't think Sean McDermott is problem (and I don't with the exception of 13 seconds) you have to try something different

 

Yeah… I truly don’t understand the posters who are happy with going on forever as long as we competitive. I’m fine with a bit more time… but FOREVER!?

 

I just don’t understand that mindset. It’s like settling for being a continual loser (but one of the better losers).

[Shaw66]

21 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

Do you think that it is OK for a fan to want to get rid of McDermott? 

That's an interesting question.  

 

I mean, certainly on a Constitutional level, I'm okay.   Everyone's free to think what he wants.  

 

My nature, which I'm not necessarily proud of, causes me to be offended when people have really bad ideas about something I care about.  I feel like I should say, "How could you possibly think that!"   

 

But I also realize that they and I are not inside the organization, and inside the organization, certain things are very clear.  Either way.   I mean, if I were the owner of the Bills and I was privy to all that the Pegulas know, I might conclude that (contrary to everything I've been saying here) McDermott is fatally flawed and will have to leave as soon as a viable alternative is available.  I know that's possible.   I just think it's unlikely - I think that McDermott is succeeding at a very high level and he's more likely than any candidate available to build a a truly big winner.  The next dynasty.  But, as I often say, "What do I know?"

[Chaos]

9 minutes ago, Einstein said:

(but one of the better losers).

maybe could be a slogan?

[John from Riverside]

Just one before I die please

[Bill from NYC]

9 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

 

I mean, certainly on a Constitutional level, I'm okay.   Everyone's free to think what he wants.  

 

My nature, which I'm not necessarily proud of, causes me to be offended when people have really bad ideas about something I care about.  I feel like I should say, "How could you possibly think that!"   

 

 

The above is big of you. However if some fans think that getting rid of McDermott makes sense, it isn't a "bad idea" just because you think otherwise. 

Edited February 16 by Bill from NYC

[Shaw66]

13 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

The above is big of you. However if some fans think that getting rid of McDermott makes sense, it isn't a "bad idea" just because you think otherwise. 

Of course not.  I'm just trying to describe my emotional reaction to it.   I have supreme confidence in my opinions.  It's just the way I'm wired.  

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

Stay the course so we can keep getting….

 

 

..because everyone gets a trophy…
 

[nedboy7]

Depends on how the next season goes.  McD is the coach.  I am fine with that after how the second half of the season played out.  I dont really waste time thinking how many more years of patience I have.  I have been enjoying Bills football waaay more the past 7 years than the prior 17, but we have the right opportunity for us to win one and hope he can provide that.  I dont think a different coach was getting by KC last season. At the same time if we had moved on from McD, I would have been ok with that. 

 

42 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Just one before I die please

 

Can we get a sense of your age and health so we can plan accordingly? 

 

45 minutes ago, Chaos said:

maybe could be a slogan?

 

A good slogan for a true loser. 

Edited February 17 by nedboy7

[NewEra]

I would have hired Ben Johnson but I understand keeping McD.  I don’t think he’s the reason lost vs kc.  Regarding the future, I can’t answer that until I see what transpires next season

[Kirby Jackson]

Great topic @Chaos!! I’ve been very clear that I’m a couple of years past ready. You CANNOT continue to run it back, with Josh Allen in his prime, for much longer. Don’t make him into Marino or Barkley or Bonds. I’m past the point of  “sustained success.” You have Josh Allen and I could have sustained success coaching him. It’s time for a championship.

[Chaos]

25 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Great topic @Chaos!! I’ve been very clear that I’m a couple of years past ready. You CANNOT continue to run it back, with Josh Allen in his prime, for much longer. Don’t make him into Marino or Barkley or Bonds. I’m past the point of  “sustained success.” You have Josh Allen and I could have sustained success coaching him. It’s time for a championship.

There really is no right or wrong answers here.  Different people have different risk/reward profiles. Personally, I think the past lack of success for coach/QB after a certain point exists for a reason.  Extremely few coaches seem to be able to adapt and modify what they are doing to the point of winning multiple championships.  In my best estimation, this is due to familiarity of the systems.  I think McDermott has become too familar (which can happen without actually winnning a championship). He seems like a truly stubborn person for better or worse. I don't see him ever being less familar.   Maybe the familiar system gets some injuries, or poor seasons from key opponents, but I think McDermott will need a lot of help from other teams failing, in order to get further than he has.   

I will give a similiar current example, which will be less emotional for Bills fans.   The McDaniels and Tua combo.  This past season was likely their best opportunity to take the league by storm and play through to a championship.  They started out with pretty interesting and different offensive attack.  Even put up 70 points.  But it got more figured out as the season progressed, and if they run back the same stuff next year, its hard to see it doing any better.  Given Tua's limitations and the quality assets he had around him this year, I don't think McDaniels/Tua has anywhere to go.  The difference is if I was the Dolphin's and I wanted to win championships, I would look to move on from Tua (maybe McDaniels too, but I think McDaniels got the most of Tua anyone ever will). 

[BillsFan130]

10 hours ago, Virgil said:

This is tough for me.  Normally, I would say they should make the change this offseason.  But then again, what are we really asking for here?  We are looking for someone to do what no one else can.  I'd argue that McD plays Reid better than any other coach.  We scored more points against the Chiefs than anyone else did in the playoffs, same in prior years.  

 

With that being said, you're asking do we drop the #2 coach for a hopeful coach that can do what no one else has.  

 

I'm not sure how to answer that honestly.  

Is it McDermott that plays Reid well, or is is it Josh Allen who is the only qb in the game who can go toe to toe with Mahomes?

 

(regular season McDermott does good against Andy, but that doesn't matter)

[Bills!Win!]

Marvin Lewis would’ve eventually won a Super Bowl. 

[Don Otreply]

It’s not like any of our “levels of patience” are relevant, it’s Terry Pegula’s level of patience that is relevant, and until he runs out of said patience this is an exercise in futility. 

[Chaos]

35 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

It’s not like any of our “levels of patience” are relevant, it’s Terry Pegula’s level of patience that is relevant, and until he runs out of said patience this is an exercise in futility. 

We can all agree that your level of patience is of no relevance.  Others like to share their opinions with each other. 

[Thurman#1]

This may go a long way towards documenting the fact that fans are far more subject to panic and bad, emotionally-based decision-making than they should be.

[Chicken Boo]

12 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

Shanahan is doing it w out a QB is the very obvious difference

 

Although I like Purdy, he is not Josh Allen.  

[Don Otreply]

2 hours ago, Chaos said:

We can all agree that your level of patience is of no relevance.  Others like to share their opinions with each other. 

So y’all gonna have a community pouty competition about when y’all’s fed up with your favorite team then?  hope it makes ya feel all warm and fuzy 😁👍

[cwater10]

19 hours ago, Bogie_Klinkhammer said:

I lost my patience in 1968

The Booth Lusteg Blues!  The more things change...

[Scott7975]

I guess I have all the patience in the world.  There is nothing I can do about it.  I don't own the team.  I've been watching for over 40 years.  I'm not going to stop now.