stevewin Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) Subscription only (and not written by Tyler Dunne đ)  https://theathletic.com/5238599/2024/01/31/jets-aaron-rodgers-robert-saleh-season-collapse/  No surprise Hackett confirmed to be a clown show Quote In an oft-repeated conflict at Florham Park, a star-studded defense that kept New York in games grew frustrated that the offense couldnât find a way to put up more points. And offensive players felt like Rodgersâ hand-picked offensive coordinator, Nathaniel Hackett, failed to adjust after losing his quarterback and didnât put them in positions to succeed Quote Over the summer, Rodgers collaborated with Hackett to construct the offense â Saleh, as usual, was hands-off on that side of the ball. Rodgers and Hackettâs relationship dynamic is more frat brothers than player/coach, and Rodgers appreciates having the free will to operate the system as he sees fit. Both Rodgers and Hackett call the offense âquarterback friendly,â but as the Jets learned in 2023, that might only apply to one quarterback. Quote Growing pains were expected in a new offense full of new personnel, but one coach said it was concerning how little urgency Hackett and his staff showed in trying to fix it, saying heâd never seen a team watch less practice tape in training camp than the Jets did with Hackett. Quote Hackett struggled to adjust the offense to the teamâs new reality. Multiple coaches and players described Hackett as lacking in attention to detail. For most of the season, Hackett would meet with offensive line coach/running game coordinator Keith Carter and passing game coordinator Todd Downing during the week but wouldnât get together with the rest of the offensive staff until the âlast minuteâ of game prep. Quote Hackett will return as the offensive coordinator in 2024, though team and league sources say Saleh has explored adding to the offensive staff and creating a more collaborative play-calling process that would reduce Hackettâs role, a clear indication the team has lost confidence in his ability to run the offense on his own. Rodgers has been involved in those discussions.  Saleh doesn't come off great either Quote But behind closed doors, the vibes werenât always positive, especially when Saleh would see negative press reports. He would often bring up how, in his mind, the Giants donât get as much negative coverage as the Jets, calling it unfair. Quote In the aftermath of Rodgersâ injury, Saleh bemoaned his bad luck. ... As the Jets lost games and struggled to score points, job security seemed to be Salehâs primary concern. He wished Johnson or Rodgers would publicly endorse him for 2024. Quote As Rodgers was pushing the limits of torn Achilles rehab, determined to return in a little over three months â an unprecedented recovery time for that injury â Wilson, along with some Jets teammates and coaches, grew tired of the way Saleh fawned over Rodgers, according to team sources. Interesting too they confirm the story that Wilson did in fact say he didn't want to play again Quote When Wilson was benched for Boyle ahead of the Week 12 matchup with the Dolphins, he knew his Jets career was over. According to multiple team sources, in their meeting to discuss Wilsonâs benching, Saleh told the quarterback he would be inactive for the rest of the season and that the team would try to trade him in the offseason. But in the days before the Falcons game, Saleh reversed course and told Wilson to start practicing as if he might play again. He did not play against Atlanta, but after the Jets lost, Wilson knew they were considering starting him again. He expressed reluctance about returning to play and said he would politely decline if asked, based on his previous conversation with Saleh and fears of getting injured behind the Jetsâ makeshift offensive line. Quote Things went sideways for Saleh after the report about Wilsonâs reluctance to return to the lineup. âThatâs a problem with the organization,â Rodgers said on âThe Pat McAfee Show.â âWe need to get to the bottom of whatever this is coming from and put a stop to it privately, because thereâs no place in a winning culture ⌠and this isnât the only time. Thereâs been a bunch of other leaks.â That sent Saleh into a tailspin. The coach held a meeting with his staff two days later where he asked the leaker to reveal himself, according to multiple people in attendance. âIf you come forward now, you wonât get in trouble,â he told them while threatening to take their cell phones. Staffers were bemused by Salehâs obsession with the Wilson story and his reaction to it.  Also they mention while things started with Rodgers taking Wilson under his wing and being "the big brother he never had" - by the end "Wilsonâs feelings about his idol soured over the season."  It ends with Jets players being optimistic because Rodgers was "picking apart" the scout team when he came back. Quote This offseason, the Jets will try to fix issues on the offensive line, at wide receiver and backup quarterback, but ultimately the organization believes the solution to most of its problems is simple: the return of Rodgers. Itâs a risky proposition since heâs 40 and coming off an Achilles injury. But Rodgers welcomes doubters â it motivates him.  Edited January 31 by stevewin 5 3 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 4 minutes ago, stevewin said: âThatâs a problem with the organization,â Rodgers said on âThe Pat McAfee Show.â âWe need to get to the bottom of whatever this is coming from and put a stop to it privately, because thereâs no place in a winning culture ⌠and this isnât the only time. Thereâs been a bunch of other leaks.â   Says the guy who goes on a national weekly radio show.  Crazy that Hackett still has a high level coaching position in the league in 2024. 11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) For them it all comes down to keeping Rodgers healthy. He gets hurt again then kiss the season good-bye and it doesnt matter who is calling the plays. No surprise the Jets are looking at OL for the draft. Per Rich Cimini. Â Â Rich Cimini on X: "Apple of his eye? #Jets GM Joe Douglas has an affinity for Oregon State OT Taliese Fuaga, according to buzz in scouting circles. Has been eyeing him for months, Iâm told. Fuaga is attending the Senior Bowl this week." / X (twitter.com) Edited January 31 by Gregg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Saleh and Douglas sold their souls and let Rodgers run the team. Hackett is complete garbage but will continue to get jobs because of nepotism. Rodgers took this young hungry roster and made these guys add slow old players. This thing was never going to work.  But blame goes to the Gm and Saleh for allowing it to happen. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, MrEpsYtown said: Saleh and Douglas sold their souls and let Rodgers run the team. Hackett is complete garbage but will continue to get jobs because of nepotism. Rodgers took this young hungry roster and made these guys add slow old players. This thing was never going to work.  But blame goes to the Gm and Saleh for allowing it to happen.   It was reported in the media last offseason that both Saleh and Douglas wanted Carr. But they were overruled by Johnson. Rodgers being a Jet is 100% on WJ. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I find it funny that the story leaked about Saleh threatening the leaker 𤣠1 1 13 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 How are the Packers doing without Hackett and Rodgers? 1 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 7 minutes ago, Gregg said:   It was reported in the media last offseason that both Saleh and Douglas wanted Carr. But they were overruled by Johnson. Rodgers being a Jet is 100% on WJ.  Ok gotcha. That's insane. I have to give Saleh and Douglas a pass then. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Someone should tell Rodgers to get off the Pat McAfee show. That weekly sideshow is not helping anyone. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuvian Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Dalvin Cook was in and out of there long enough to be a source. I feel sorry for Zach Wilson after reading that. He was doomed from the start.  How amazing is it that billionaires turn over the keys to the castle to children like Hackett? The guy has done nothing but ride the coat tails of Aaron Rodgers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 12 minutes ago, Gregg said: Â Â It was reported in the media last offseason that both Saleh and Douglas wanted Carr. But they were overruled by Johnson. Rodgers being a Jet is 100% on WJ. Jets are no better with Carr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Just now, uticaclub said: Jets are no better with Carr  They probably are. I doubt Carr gets hurt 4 plays into the season. Also, Carr is better than Wilson. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Someone should tell Rodgers to get off the Pat McAfee show. That weekly sideshow is not helping anyone. Lol, you know Rodgers was kicked off the show, right??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 1 minute ago, strive_for_five_guy said: Lol, you know Rodgers was kicked off the show, right???  Nah, he wasn't. That was a non-story. He is still appearing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HardyBoy Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 The biggest takeaway for me is they are going to be trying to do short term solutions to try and save their jobs. Â I think Saleh is probably a good coach and hoping for his own sake he learns from this and does a better job blocking outside stuff out going forward (my guess is a bunch of us would get caught up in that stuff as well in his position the first time we face it). Â That said, I think they probably should have made a coaching switch only because the second most dangerous thing is a coach making short term moves to try and save their job, and the most dangerous is a gm doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Rodgers is an intelligent guy, but he isn't an emotionally intelligent guy.  He knows a lot about a lot, but his lack of emotional intelligence doesn't allow him to recognize the things he doesn't know, for example, being an NFL GM.  His arrogance led him to believe he should be involved in roster decisions and play calling.  Being a winning organization, the Packers saw it for what it was and moved on.  The Jets, being a losing organization with a head coach who is equally as arrogant bought into it. The Packers chose the organization over Rodgers. The Jets made Rodgers the organization.   1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:  Nah, he wasn't. That was a non-story. He is still appearing. No kidding.  Apparently McAfee was/is paying Rodgers like $1M/year to be on the show too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
May Day 10 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 The Jets were building a pretty good ship there.   I was really worried they would get Lamar and then look out Bills and Dolphins  1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 6 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said: Rodgers is an intelligent guy, but he isn't an emotionally intelligent guy.  He knows a lot about a lot, but his lack of emotional intelligence doesn't allow him to recognize the things he doesn't know, for example, being an NFL GM.  His arrogance led him to believe he should be involved in roster decisions and play calling.  Being a winning organization, the Packers saw it for what it was and moved on.  The Jets, being a losing organization with a head coach who is equally as arrogant bought into it. The Packers chose the organization over Rodgers. The Jets made Rodgers the organization.   Related qute from article: Quote Itâs not uncommon for team decision-makers to consult star quarterbacks on potential roster additions, but the perception around the league was the Jets went beyond the norm. âRodgers isnât the assistant GM,â one AFC general manager said. âJoe Douglas is the assistant GM.â  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Good to see a division opponent in Turmoil, makes our path to success all the more attainable, đđ 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 (edited) there is so much to love in this article. Yet every bit of it was completely predictable. Rodgers signing was desperation that set off another series of awful decisions.    https://theathletic.com/5238599/2024/01/31/jets-aaron-rodgers-robert-saleh-season-collapse/?source=user_shared_article (original).  Joe Douglas is "assistant GM"  Rodgers and Hackett are "frat brothers"  Woody brings social media/fan opinions to Saleh in conversations about "what wasn't working on Offense" Edited January 31 by Mr. WEO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Connor Hughes on X: "Breaking: The #Jets and Rex Hogan have mutually agreed to part ways, sources tell @snytv. The move allows Hogan, who spent the last five seasons as the teamâs assistant general manager, to explore other opportunities. Hogan is well respected around the league. He will be a⌠https://t.co/AhrokxF7CJ" / X (twitter.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 6 minutes ago, Gregg said: Connor Hughes on X: "Breaking: The #Jets and Rex Hogan have mutually agreed to part ways, sources tell @snytv. The move allows Hogan, who spent the last five seasons as the teamâs assistant general manager, to explore other opportunities. Hogan is well respected around the league. He will be a⌠https://t.co/AhrokxF7CJ" / X (twitter.com)  good for him. He didn't like working under Aaron Rodgers 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 3 hours ago, stevewin said: Related qute from article:  lol yeah they went way overboard. Anyone that he ever played and had a decent relationship with was brought in for a work out or signed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 Least surprising outcome possible. Jets always get the hype never the quality. The team has a good defense, but the offense doesn't have depth and Rodgers would've had a hard season with that offensive line and he himself is a moron. I still think they can be a playoff team next year but they fundamentally have been a circus for two decades now. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 This is the most predictable thing ever. The bit about Zach Wilson being excited to work with Rogers and then Rogers flying home and never talking to Wilson had me on the floor laughing 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 3 hours ago, stuvian said: Dalvin Cook was in and out of there long enough to be a source. I feel sorry for Zach Wilson after reading that. He was doomed from the start.  How amazing is it that billionaires turn over the keys to the castle to children like Hackett? The guy has done nothing but ride the coat tails of Aaron Rodgers. Yea my opinion of Wilson went way up after reading this:  Saleh told the quarterback he would be inactive for the rest of the season and that the team would try to trade him in the offseason. But in the days before the Falcons game, Saleh reversed course and told Wilson to start practicing as if he might play again. He did not play against Atlanta, but after the Jets lost, Wilson knew they were considering starting him again. He expressed reluctance about returning to play and said he would politely decline if asked, based on his previous conversation with Saleh and fears of getting injured behind the Jetsâ makeshift offensive line.  Like a lot of other folks I thought Wilson was a baby for saying he didn't want to go back in. But if Salah told him that he would be inactive the rest of the season and then changed his mind that is non Salah not Wilson.  1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkirk Donski Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 This thread is spam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLinALLEN Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I was about to say imagine if Terry printed out TBD threads and brought it to McD and Beane, but I honestly wouldnt be shocked lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 4 hours ago, stevewin said: Subscription only (and not written by Tyler Dunne đ)  No surprise Hackett confirmed to be a clown show  Saleh doesn't come off great either Interesting too they confirm the story that Wilson did in fact say he didn't want to play again  Also they mention while things started with Rodgers taking Wilson under his wing and being "the big brother he never had" - by the end "Wilsonâs feelings about his idol soured over the season."  It ends with Jets players being optimistic because Rodgers was "picking apart" the scout team when he came back.   Thanks for posting all the excerpts.   If this is all true, they're a mess and it doesn't sound like even a Rodgers-led Jets team would threaten the Bills next season.   Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 19 minutes ago, Dunkirk Donski said: This thread is spam. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 22 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: Yea my opinion of Wilson went way up after reading this:  Saleh told the quarterback he would be inactive for the rest of the season and that the team would try to trade him in the offseason. But in the days before the Falcons game, Saleh reversed course and told Wilson to start practicing as if he might play again. He did not play against Atlanta, but after the Jets lost, Wilson knew they were considering starting him again. He expressed reluctance about returning to play and said he would politely decline if asked, based on his previous conversation with Saleh and fears of getting injured behind the Jetsâ makeshift offensive line.  Like a lot of other folks I thought Wilson was a baby for saying he didn't want to go back in. But if Salah told him that he would be inactive the rest of the season and then changed his mind that is non Salah not Wilson.  My feeling at the time and even more so now is that I can't blame Wilson at all, either.  He already had a ton of bad film out there. Their season was going nowhere. Playing behind that line not only risks injury but also there isn't any hope of him playing better and is just going to hurt his chances of landing somewhere else even more.  I don't think Wilson will ever be an elite starter. But he has flashed some talent. He was mismanaged from day 1 there.  Of the 2 I can see him having a longer NFL career than Mac Jones. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 So Sean Payton was right about everything on Hackett. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 30 minutes ago, corta765 said: Least surprising outcome possible. Jets always get the hype never the quality. The team has a good defense, but the offense doesn't have depth and Rodgers would've had a hard season with that offensive line and he himself is a moron. I still think they can be a playoff team next year but they fundamentally have been a circus for two decades now. Â They deserve the hype around this time. After all they are the defending off-season champions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 I donât know if I can trust this unless the writer used at least 25 unnamed sources. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 49 minutes ago, Gregg said: Connor Hughes on X: "Breaking: The #Jets and Rex Hogan have mutually agreed to part ways, sources tell @snytv. The move allows Hogan, who spent the last five seasons as the teamâs assistant general manager, to explore other opportunities. Hogan is well respected around the league. He will be a⌠https://t.co/AhrokxF7CJ" / X (twitter.com)  I just picture Rex Ryan sneaking around the Jets offices in a Hulk Hogan disguise.  "OH YEAH BROTHER, LETS GET A F$%&IN SNACK!" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted January 31 Author Share Posted January 31 (edited) 17 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: My feeling at the time and even more so now is that I can't blame Wilson at all, either.  He already had a ton of bad film out there. Their season was going nowhere. Playing behind that line not only risks injury but also there isn't any hope of him playing better and is just going to hurt his chances of landing somewhere else even more.  I don't think Wilson will ever be an elite starter. But he has flashed some talent. He was mismanaged from day 1 there.  Of the 2 I can see him having a longer NFL career than Mac Jones. One thing Wilson did do was run for his life behind that line - I don't think anyone should assume Rodger would have been able to sustain any kind of elite play behind that line and with clown Hackett as his co-coordinator. Even if the Jets plug in a Olineman or two I don't see Rodgers return next year resulting in all sunshine and rainbows.  Too bad Jets won't be on Hard Knocks next year - best would be in-season while everything is crashing after optimistic TC and Rodgers carving up the scout team đ Edited January 31 by stevewin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 4 hours ago, thenorthremembers said: Rodgers is an intelligent guy, but he isn't an emotionally intelligent guy.  He knows a lot about a lot, but his lack of emotional intelligence doesn't allow him to recognize the things he doesn't know, for example, being an NFL GM.  His arrogance led him to believe he should be involved in roster decisions and play calling.  Being a winning organization, the Packers saw it for what it was and moved on.  The Jets, being a losing organization with a head coach who is equally as arrogant bought into it. The Packers chose the organization over Rodgers. The Jets made Rodgers the organization.    I highly, HIGHLY question the bolded statements as well.  He likes to think he is intelligent. But far too often nowadays, folks confuse "having thoughts" with "intelligence". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 "The Jets lost five games by 20 or more points and extended the longest playoff drought in the four major North American professional sports to 13 years."  The Sabres saw this and want their streak back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted January 31 Share Posted January 31 4 hours ago, uticaclub said: Jets are no better with Carr Couldn't disagree with this more. And I'm by far NOT a Carr fan.  Rodgers caused a huge ripple in the Jets off-season that set everything in motion. Without Rodgers Hackett likely isn't the OC. Without Rodgers bringing in his buddies like Lazard, Cobb ect the Jets have more money to invest in their OL. Without going "all in for Aaron" they likely don't spend a dumb amount to bring in Dalvin Cook.  Carr is the definition of mediocre on a good day. But I feel like it would have made the team the Jets were allowed to field better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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