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46 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Multiple dropped passes, including 3 deep passes. The Diggs and Sherfield drops were inexcusable with both hitting their arms (ball literally bounced off their bicep).  

 

And even worse than that, NO ONE could get separation. None of our receivers.

 

Keep Shakir. Keep Diggs (we have no choice honestly, financially). And rebuild the entire rest of the WR block.

 

 


First Sherfield drop actually hit him square in the chest, lol. Reminded me of the Gabe Davis drop against he Jets last year after Allen partially tore his UCL.

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37 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

That drop was killer.  It took all game to set up that shot.  Just inexcusable.  
 

on the bright side, Shakir and Kincaid are studs. We’re really not that far away.  This hurts, but we had a MASH unit on D and overall the game plan was really effective.  We just couldn’t close at the end. 

How about we talk about the defense that couldn't stop a nose bleed!! 

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1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

Diggs also declined to speak to the media after the game. He's a team captain who loves to hold his QB accountable, but apparently not himself. The shtick has gotten old.

 

Better than last season where he left the stadium before the coaches even got in the locker room.

 

But I really don’t wanna crap on Diggs. He has done a lot for this team. But as much as I hate to say it, his days as an elite receiver may be over.

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47 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Multiple dropped passes, including 3 deep passes. The Diggs and Sherfield drops were inexcusable with both hitting their arms (ball literally bounced off their bicep).  

 

And even worse than that, NO ONE could get separation. None of our receivers.

 

Keep Shakir. Keep Diggs (we have no choice honestly, financially). And rebuild the entire rest of the WR block.

 

 

 

Shakir was open by 3-4 yards in the endzone for a TD and Allen couldn't step into the throw with Jones in his face...but agree, they need to find guys that can get open.

 

I wouldn't hate it if they went WR with picks 1 and 2.  McD can turn anyone into a pretty good player at DB so they don't need to be wasting high picks there.

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51 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Multiple dropped passes, including 3 deep passes. The Diggs and Sherfield drops were inexcusable with both hitting their arms (ball literally bounced off their bicep).  

 

And even worse than that, NO ONE could get separation. None of our receivers.

 

Keep Shakir. Keep Diggs (we have no choice honestly, financially). And rebuild the entire rest of the WR block.

 

 

 

Well, that's what you get with Sherfield, Mr. 50% Catch%.  Otherwise, every team has drops.  We need to stop acting as if that's the only reason we lost.  

 

We got our a$$e$ handed to us in coaching throughout the 2nd Half.  That has nothing to do with dropped balls.  

 

This game never should have been that close.  This was easily KC's best game offensively against any playoff team this season.  

 

Brady ain't cuttin' it either.  Those repetitive plays that weren't working in the 2nd half.  ADJUST!!!  

 

Sadly, we don't do that well, and that has nothing to do with dropped passes either. 

 

If we want to take the next step, we need a new HC and a new OC.  

 

Let's quit dredging the barrel for ours.  

 

We need a HC that understands offense.  

 

This loss was entirely inexcusable.  We'll likely never see a worse KC team with Mahomes at QB.  

 

Of all teams to lose to in this game ... SMFH!!  

 

 

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In the Hamler thread, I wrote about our desperate need for WRs and was ridiculed for criticizing the future deal for Hamler.  I guess people failed to realize that the guy who has caught 12 passes over the last 3 years (Including none this season) isn't going to move the needle.

 

The Bills have 2 WRs; a declining Diggs who we are paying $30 mill and a nice No. 3 in Shakir.  That's it.  Diggs would be better if we had someone on the other side who could keep the defenses from keying on him.  It would also help if the OC had an idea of how to use formations to get him open and if he didn't have the dropsees.  

 

The goal this off-season will be to get 2 WRs in the draft.  Admittedly we also need safeties and more CD help.  

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Diggs had zero interest in the last month of the season and seemed totally checked out tonight.  He fumbled on the first play!  And dropped what could’ve been a game-winning bomb.  He became a bit of a bitchass this season and tonight was the cherry on top.

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The lack of WR when Brady took over is very concerning IMO, but I think he’s a safe bet to get the job. 
 

I highly doubt the WR coach is back again. 

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I think they’d love to cut or trade him this off-season. 

Hard to eat the dead cap when you already don’t have much money. I think he’ll be “WR1-B” next season. We relied on Allen and Diggs too much, and it caught up to Diggs. 

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17 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

So we can be like the chiefs with all their wrs?

 

Make fun of the Chiefs pass catchers all you want. Other than Hardman who tried to single handedly lose the game for them, all of their pass catchers made every play that was catchable. We can put all of the other factors aside and say that the game ultimately came down to one side's skill players performing much better than the other side's. Mahomes' #1 performed like a #1. His #2 WR made the difficult catch downfield. That was the difference.

 

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Things gotta change. Shakir and Kincaid are pretty safe. Kind of stuck with Diggs I think, oddly  he sucked since his brother started tapping his mouth on Twitter.  Another ***** performance by him during a big playoff game. 

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1 hour ago, Einstein said:

Multiple dropped passes, including 3 deep passes. The Diggs and Sherfield drops were inexcusable with both hitting their arms (ball literally bounced off their bicep).  

 

And even worse than that, NO ONE could get separation. None of our receivers.

 

Keep Shakir. Keep Diggs (we have no choice honestly, financially). And rebuild the entire rest of the WR block.

 

 

We’ve said this the last couple of years and here we are once again with the same problem. That’s on our illustrious GM. 

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59 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Multiple dropped passes, including 3 deep passes. The Diggs and Sherfield drops were inexcusable with both hitting their arms (ball literally bounced off their bicep).  

 

And even worse than that, NO ONE could get separation. None of our receivers.

 

Keep Shakir. Keep Diggs (we have no choice honestly, financially). And rebuild the entire rest of the WR block.

 

 

And yet our receivers are better than the Chiefs’ WRs…so there is more going on here.  Our whole offensive scheme is inferior to theirs…

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1 hour ago, TonyBeets said:

I kept thinking this during the game.  Diggs is a 2 at this point.  Shakir will be a great slot.  We need a 1.  Having Kincaid saved us.  Knox is a good 2nd option at TE.  

 

We just need help for Allen at the wideout position.

I would LOOOOOOOVE to trade up for Nabers. Treat it like trading up for a QB. This year's first, next year's first and third (with the assumption that we get a '25 comp pick from outgoing FAs) and a 2026 2nd. Josh would be set for the next five+ years

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12 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Diggs had zero interest in the last month of the season and seemed totally checked out tonight.  He fumbled on the first play!  And dropped what could’ve been a game-winning bomb.  He became a bit of a bitchass this season and tonight was the cherry on top.

 

Totally forgot about his fumble.

 

So Diggs contributions today were 3 catches, 2 drops and 1 fumble.

 

Not great.

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I agree about the WRs but even a quality group of receivers needs a good offensive play book to part of. Watching the last two weeks of playoffs showed me over and over again how unsophisticated our offense was this season compared to other teams. Even with Brady running it and making better decisions than the useless Dorsey we were hamstrung by the limited playbook. Yes Josh missed guys tonight but on many plays we were not scheming guys open and there was no deception to our game plan all season like in the Dabol years. The 4th down? play to Shakir where he faked left then right in the backfield and was wide open for the first down was so rare this year. Brady did well with a terrible offense he inherited but imagine our current offense with a great coordinator and a sophisticated play book!

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We need new WR’s across the board

 

How do you know that the issue is not Brady?  

 

While everyone's been fawning over Brady, seemingly few have realized that our offensive metrics have actually been worse than they were under Dorsey. 

 

We've turned our Allen-led offense into a dink-dunk short yardage extravaganza.  

 

I guess that's what "Complimentary Football" means in McD's world.  

 

Great idea Joel!  Where else can you get a cup of hot chocolate for $4.  

 

Funny too, no one can point a finger at Davis.  The irony is that he's been our highest producing playoff WR over the past two seasons prior to this one.  

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Livinginthepast said:

I agree about the WRs but even a quality group of receivers needs a good offensive play book to part of. Watching the last two weeks of playoffs showed me over and over again how unsophisticated our offense was this season compared to other teams. Even with Brady running it and making better decisions than the useless Dorsey we were hamstrung by the limited playbook. Yes Josh missed guys tonight but on many plays we were not scheming guys open and there was no deception to our game plan all season like in the Dabol years. The 4th down? play to Shakir where he faked left then right in the backfield and was wide open for the first down was so rare this year. Brady did well with a terrible offense he inherited but imagine our current offense with a great coordinator and a sophisticated play book!

Watching playoffs the past couple weeks there have been so many big gains where guys are wide ***** open, just never see it with this team

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1 hour ago, Warcodered said:

Yes Diggs had that big drop, but lets not just erase that he made other plays throughout the game.

 

Definitely something up health-wise I'd imagine but not writing him off.


Look .. I’m not going to erase it .. he has got to make that catch.. he ain’t no Sherfield earning league minimum 

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1 hour ago, TonyBeets said:

I kept thinking this during the game.  Diggs is a 2 at this point.  Shakir will be a great slot.  We need a 1.  Having Kincaid saved us.  Knox is a good 2nd option at TE.  

 

We just need help for Allen at the wideout position.


Knox is mids 

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What we saw this season was the transition of Diggs from a #1 to a #2 WR.  We no longer need a #2......we need a #1.  And for that matter, a #4 and #5 as well.  On offense, we do have some talent in place.  I am comfortable going into next season with Diggs at #2 and Shakir in the slot.  Or, if you want to, make Diggs your slot and use Shakir as your #4 and go out and find a new #1 and #2.

 

We are in great hands with Kincaid at TE1.  He's a star in the making.  While Knox is a fine #2 TE, I really don't want my second TE making that much money.  But that was a mistake by Beane that we will have to live with for a bit.  It's not bad having 2 good TEs, but we could really use that Knox money elsewhere.

 

The line proved it was fine this season.  Was it perfect?  No.  But you can't have studs at every position.  Torrence was great as a rookie overall and I expect a dominant season from him next year.  Dawkins had his best overall season as a Bill in my opinion and McGovern and Brown were pretty good, not great.  But, we can get by with them.  Center will be interesting.  Mitch is long in the tooth and makes a lot of money that we can get out from underneath from.  He was very solid this year, but it may be time.  You can usually get a very good center in round 3 of the draft and you have Bates to hold the fort down if needed.

 

So, there are pieces on offense that work.  But the WR position is very worrisome.  Finding 2 quality WRs is priority #1 this off season.  Stop forcing Allen to do it by himself and get him some playmakers. 

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Our receivers have no speed and they are terrible at running routes.  Even Diggs has regressed in that area this year.  Shakir is the the only one that I have any faith that we should retain moving forward.  Everyone else, including Diggs can go it the effort from him does not improve.

 

 

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I have to say I am quite pleased with Shakir and Kincaid. Shakir is a not a #1 but he has potential to be a Beasley type slot wr. Actually, his ceiling is probably higher than Beasley. Shakir is much better after the catch and with the ball in his hands. Beasley maybe separated better. 
 

Kincaid, the question is can he become a top 3 Te,  and right now that is a possibility which is at least nice to at least have on the table. 
 

The o-line was good enough this year which I think is promising in that it will enable us to hopefully use a first round pick on a wr.
 

 

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