jethro_tull Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Bills Most Penalized Team Rank 2023 Currently the most penalized team in the NFL (and it's killing them). 2022 16th most penalize team *still in the top half of the league's worst despite the cancellation of the Bengals game. 2021 6th most penalized team. 2020 6th most penalized team. 2019 9th most penalized team. 2018 6th most penalized team. I find it kind of ridiculous that the Bills have basically been in the top 20% of the most penalized teams in the league since 2018. While I support McDermott as the head coach, they seriously need to hire an expert consultant to address this issue. This year in particular as the most penalized team in the league, penalties could easily be the reason they do not make the playoffs. Fix it now.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Aren't those consultants called coaches? Thanks for the data OP. 3 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WacArnolds Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 doesn't seem very processy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 How about a consultant to get the refs to call penalties on the opposing team too? 2 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pi2000 Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Are those rankings based on penalty rates or counts? The Bills run a lot of plays per game, near top of the league iirc. Opponents are usually playing catch-up so lots of passing plays against = more calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Improved penalty avoidance helped put up a great record in ‘22 in spite of holes on the roster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Is that the guy the Eagles have that pays Hochuli? 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 That to me confirms the conspiracy- the nfl is out to get us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 First order of business... Slash Shawn Hochuli's tires at his house so he can't get to the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Nah. The Bills need a new kicker. Two missed field goals. Have those, and there is no OT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpen65 Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 The Eagles game was 10-1 penalties in the first half. That's a reffing bias and there's nothing coaching or consulting can do about it. There is a penalty on every single play. Refs calling 10 to 1 is the refs purposely targeting one team over the other. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 1 hour ago, pi2000 said: Are those rankings based on penalty rates or counts? The Bills run a lot of plays per game, near top of the league iirc. Opponents are usually playing catch-up so lots of passing plays against = more calls. Yeah, this needs more context. Plus, we see every week how illegitimate many penalties are. The NFL needs an outside officiating consultant in the worst way. They should approach the game the same way the USFL/XFL do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 My recommendation would be to donate to the refs kids college funds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisWatson#21 Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 1 hour ago, peterpan said: That to me confirms the conspiracy- the nfl is out to get us. Well two of the most rigged games I’ve seen in my life were the Houston playoff game and this past Eagles game. No penalties were called on both Houston and Philly outside of a couple false starts and an Offside in nearly five quarters of play both times. The refs historically haven’t done the Bills any favors. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 36 minutes ago, ChrisWatson#21 said: Well two of the most rigged games I’ve seen in my life were the Houston playoff game and this past Eagles game. No penalties were called on both Houston and Philly outside of a couple false starts and an Offside in nearly five quarters of play both times. The refs historically haven’t done the Bills any favors. Yep - the magical fumble no touchdown in the end zone game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not Applicable Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Do not question McDermott's Teams of Discipline™️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jethro_tull Posted December 2, 2023 Author Share Posted December 2, 2023 hey, what happened to that funny firing squad post? Coach, consultant coach, whoever- being in the top 5th most penalties for the last 6 years is not an in-house fix. How many more wins does it have to cost before they do something already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 I heard Rex Ryan is available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 The Bills need a head coaching consultant. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 On 11/29/2023 at 12:45 PM, WacArnolds said: doesn't seem very processy Is "Trust the Process" still a thing? What phase of the process have we progressed too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotSHO Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 I bet if we run penalty numbers over the course of 20 years, the TV market size would correspond almost perfectly with the penalty frequency. In an inverse fashion. Just a handicap that a team like Buffalo has to deal with/overcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 On 11/29/2023 at 11:46 AM, Freddie's Dead said: My recommendation would be to donate to the refs kids college funds. Terry Pegula could do that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 Sadly the HC is responsible for player discipline and playing effectively without fouling. Good coaches always have teams with low percentage league wide with few exceptions, especially presnap penalties. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 On 11/29/2023 at 11:38 AM, jethro_tull said: Bills Most Penalized Team Rank 2023 Currently the most penalized team in the NFL (and it's killing them). 2022 16th most penalize team *still in the top half of the league's worst despite the cancellation of the Bengals game. 2021 6th most penalized team. 2020 6th most penalized team. 2019 9th most penalized team. 2018 6th most penalized team. I find it kind of ridiculous that the Bills have basically been in the top 20% of the most penalized teams in the league since 2018. While I support McDermott as the head coach, they seriously need to hire an expert consultant to address this issue. This year in particular as the most penalized team in the league, penalties could easily be the reason they do not make the playoffs. Fix it now.... It's called having discipline. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 53 minutes ago, Chaos said: Is "Trust the Process" still a thing? What phase of the process have we progressed too? There's nothing about McDermott I trust anymore. His ridiculous slogans have dried up. His teams are penalty machines because of 2 things. The first and foremost is poor coaching/discipline. The 2nd is clearly the league screws us just like the Raiders. One can get fixed/ improved. The other is controlled by the shield. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 This is just one more flaw with the team you can point to that reflects directly on coaching. McDermott is SO average in so many different ways. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 To be fair this is one of the only ways to handicap an undesirable playoff team from hosting the big one. Imagine the moans from national sports media having to go to Buffalo for 5 consecutive AFC Championships? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 The Bills are not a dirty or undisciplined team. Only thing I can think of is modifying are communication with the ref. Do we have to tell the refs watch out for this player.... Or this team likes to do this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 11 hours ago, Chaos said: Is "Trust the Process" still a thing? What phase of the process have we progressed too? The Regression phase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 Another theory is that the is more on Beane than McDermott. For example Torrence has 5 penalties this season. Spencer Brown has 18 penalties. Same coach, different players. Maybe this is something to consider when building the roster. Maybe the penalty prone can't have it coached out of you. However 12 men on the field causing a defeat on the last play of the game is 100% a head coaching failure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 Penalties are the result of not holding guys accountable. If McDermott likes you, you can do whatever you want. Phillips is an out shape undisciplined mess, but can do no wrong in mcdermott’s eyes. Siran Neal routinely kills field position with special teams penalties, rarely makes any plays, yet has favored status with mcdermott. Championship coaches like Parcells and Belichik would never keep around players like that. They were loyal to the good, smart, disciplined players who they could count on in big spots. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 getting rid of Spencer Brown would reduce pre snap penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Junction Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 2 hours ago, Chaos said: Another theory is that the is more on Beane than McDermott. For example Torrence has 5 penalties this season. Spencer Brown has 18 penalties. Same coach, different players. Maybe this is something to consider when building the roster. Maybe the penalty prone can't have it coached out of you. However 12 men on the field causing a defeat on the last play of the game is 100% a head coaching failure. Tackles usually get penalized more often than interior players. They’re more visible and DEs are generally the most physically gifted D linemen. Agree with the 12 men statement, and that likely came into play when McD decided to ice the kicker in Philly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 12 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: Tackles usually get penalized more often than interior players. They’re more visible and DEs are generally the most physically gifted D linemen. Agree with the 12 men statement, and that likely came into play when McD decided to ice the kicker in Philly. one is rookie, one is a veteran. The rookie had zero penalties his senior year in college. I suspect like all other skills, some players are always going to be better than others at not taking penalties. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 15 hours ago, ScotSHO said: I bet if we run penalty numbers over the course of 20 years, the TV market size would correspond almost perfectly with the penalty frequency. In an inverse fashion. Just a handicap that a team like Buffalo has to deal with/overcome. Not likely . Here are 2023 numbers for the most penalized teams. Dallas and Chicago are pretty big markets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 I am actually curious about penalties in national televised games. I think some of the referees see themselves as celebrities and want there moment in the sun. This is an interesting story about refs and the microphone https://www.footballzebras.com/2013/10/referee-announcements-have-come-a-long-way-in-38-years/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotSHO Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Chaos said: Not likely . Here are 2023 numbers for the most penalized teams. Dallas and Chicago are pretty big markets Interesting, the worst answer to make peace with all this is it's all just random. I'd still like to see long term trends - but it sounds like a ton of work. Edited December 2, 2023 by ScotSHO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotSHO Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 4 hours ago, Chaos said: I am actually curious about penalties in national televised games. I think some of the referees see themselves as celebrities and want there moment in the sun. This is an interesting story about refs and the microphone https://www.footballzebras.com/2013/10/referee-announcements-have-come-a-long-way-in-38-years/ The intentional grounding in the Bills/Bengals game was definitely the ref trying to show he was smart. He saw the down & distance, the location on the field, and manufactured a flag on a play that happens once a game (overthrow on a fly when the WR breaks it off). He felt personally required to show Allen (and the world) that he saw thru his "overthrow", even though the QB wasn't under duress in the pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 What sucks about this and I am being serious about this is there are penalties to be called on most plays by both teams, so the fact that there are teams that statistically get called more means that refs are looking more at certain teams than others. There's no consistency, No accountability and shows the refs can sway a game. (Not fix, but make It harder for some teams to win) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HomeskillitMoorman Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 On 11/29/2023 at 10:38 AM, jethro_tull said: Bills Most Penalized Team Rank 2023 Currently the most penalized team in the NFL (and it's killing them). 2022 16th most penalize team *still in the top half of the league's worst despite the cancellation of the Bengals game. 2021 6th most penalized team. 2020 6th most penalized team. 2019 9th most penalized team. 2018 6th most penalized team. I find it kind of ridiculous that the Bills have basically been in the top 20% of the most penalized teams in the league since 2018. While I support McDermott as the head coach, they seriously need to hire an expert consultant to address this issue. This year in particular as the most penalized team in the league, penalties could easily be the reason they do not make the playoffs. Fix it now.... So what is it that McD excels at? He’s a horrific game manager, the team is completely undisciplined, his D gives it up on every big drive, he has trouble hiring good coordinators…I really don’t understand why people still want him here. Truth is, his QB has been bailing him out for years. He’s a bottom of the barrel coach on his own. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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