BuffaloBillyG Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Beast said: Seems like the logical choice. Maybe Cook can also return kicks if the need arises. Possibly. Wasn't Shakir a return option last year as well before we got Hines? Be a slick way to get him some opportunities as well. While I don't think we end up with someone as electrifying as Hines I think we can find someone that's steady. My gut tells me that they look to someone already on the roster first. Then they use the spot to bring back a vet they like/know that they let walk...Taiwan Jones/ Kumerow type signing and add to ST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said: His primary value to the Bills would have been as a returner. He would have had relatively few carries as a running back. I imagine the Bills will look for a free agent who could fill that role and has a little speed. There are probably some guys out there who could do it, though obviously less talented than Hines. Harty is easy choice for returns. If they’re looking for a receiving RB as depth Kenyan Drake and Kareem Hunt are available. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Massive loss for the return game imo. Harty is a dynamic return guy too, but he’s been a fumble machine and I’m not sure we want him back there returning. Who are the other options? Time to bust out Micha Hyde 😔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, NewEra said: Massive loss for the return game imo. Harty is a dynamic return guy too, but he’s been a fumble machine and I’m not sure we want him back there returning. Who are the other options? Time to bust out Micha Hyde 😔 Shakir is an option for punts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Not sure why we never got Hines involved in the passing game more (to beat a dead horse). Hope he gets a nice injury settlement, and his career isn’t done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 So how does the CAP work with injuries? If he is out for the whole season does that free up his $$$ on the salary cap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Just now, wppete said: So how does the CAP work with injuries? If he is out for the whole season does that free up his $$$ on the salary cap? Easy answer is no. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Need the backup to J Cook. Do you think they'll give J.D. McKissic a look? Throw him a low ball offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, DapperCam said: Not sure why we never got Hines involved in the passing game more (to beat a dead horse). Hope he gets a nice injury settlement, and his career isn’t done. I hope he heals up quickly and can return at some point, if not, he is a multi millionaire and will be just fine financially, and have a good post football life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: We don't have a returner. You do know Harty actually led the league in PR and was a 1st team all pro as a ST'er his rookie season? He was 10th and 14th in PR yardage the next 2 years. 5th, 14th, and 7th in KR yards. I don't want to minimize Hines loss. He was a good KR/PR for us last season. I think Hardy has had trouble staying on the field, so using him as a PR where "it helps if you have a screw loose" (Andre Roberts) or "I don't care about my life" (Nyheim Hines pre-return mantra) isn't gonna help him contribute as a receiver. But going from "Oh,no - Hines is a big loss" to "we don't have a returner" is a big step. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeltaDigital Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 it begins. SMH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, DapperCam said: Not sure why we never got Hines involved in the passing game more (to beat a dead horse). Hope he gets a nice injury settlement, and his career isn’t done. Not sure why? Who were you taking off the field? That’s the problem. You had Singletary and Cook. McKenzie is probably a popular answer but how would that work mid season? Honestly this injury probably helps clear up roles for the Bills. A crowed backfield wasn’t going to be good. We also don’t want Hines taking Kincaid off the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Easy answer is no. He won't be getting game checks though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, ScottLaw said: He’s a McKenzie clone returning… a big risk with fumbles/muffs. Honestly with new rules the return game is dead, especially kick returns. Just now, T&C said: He won't be getting game checks though. Why wouldn’t he? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Why wouldn’t he? He won't be playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, wppete said: So how does the CAP work with injuries? If he is out for the whole season does that free up his $$$ on the salary cap? 10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Easy answer is no. The easy answer for an injury occurring outside the facility during the off-season is "yes, it does free up his $$$ on the salary cap". Those are called "non-football injuries" and the team isn't obligated to pay non-guaranteed salary or per-game roster bonuses. "NFL teams are not required to pay base salaries to players placed on the reserve/non-football injury or reserve/non-football illness lists."** Hines has a cap hit of $3.5M of which $1.5M is signing bonus or fully guaranteed, so it frees up (nominally) $2M Now, for a vet who is injured in the facility, he will usually have injury guarantees in his contract, so the easy answer would be "no". **it is left to the discretion of the team, so the team can choose to pay the player part or all of his salary and per game bonuses. they just aren't obligated to. if they choose to, it still counts against the cap. Edited July 24, 2023 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Just now, T&C said: He won't be playing. Oh, I was thinking something else. He’ll get most of his money though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: He’s a McKenzie clone returning… a big risk with fumbles/muffs. That’s unfortunate, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 "off field injury"--Sure hope it was not at the Folding Table OTA 🤣 These guys do have to get their $ fast!! (I never will understand Lamar taking that risk) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Oh, I was thinking something else. He’ll get most of his money though. He will. Sal Capaccio 🏈 @SalSports Other than the $340K in game-roster bonuses, Hines $3.5M cap hit will still count for 2023. So still looking at $3.16M. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 26 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: We don't have a returner. With all the new rules neutering the return game is it really that crucial? How many kick offs get returned? Pretty much need someone to fair catch on punts most times. Micah Hyde has sure hands. I'm just trying to look on the bright side😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Well, now we don't have to worry about Dorsey integrating him into the offense and about how we were going to keep so many RBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 32 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: We don't have a returner. Pretty sure Harty was a very good return man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Lots of people reminding me Harty has history as a returner. Yes I forgot about him. In my defense he wasn't called Harty at the time! 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 11 minutes ago, DapperCam said: Not sure why we never got Hines involved in the passing game more (to beat a dead horse). Because by the time they needed to throw the ball underneath more they were: 1) Using James Cook more in that role and getting 5.7 yards per carry 2) Allen was struggling with more with short throw accuracy than long throws due to his elbow injury The only RB in the NFL who might be as good as an actual starting slot WR running routes is McCaffrey. And even then we aren't talking exceptional in that regard. Otherwise these guys gotta' run the ball to warrant receiver looks. They aren't the equivalent of slot WR's regardless of the hyperbole people want to attach to their games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Bills could probably go after money but I doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Karma for extremely overpaying a 3rd string RB? (if you believe in Karma) Jackassery for the sake of jackassery? If you believe innjackasseery. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Lots of people reminding me Harty has history as a returner. Yes I forgot about him. In my defense he wasn't called Harty at the time! With Sherfield, Shakir and Shorter........he has to be Sharty. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Bills could probably go after money but I doubt it. That's even more unfortunate for Hines. Dude was just enjoying a day. Hope for the best for the guy. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 44 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Faaaaak, that sucks, kinda takes care of the over abundance of RBs on the roster, now we just need a kick returner…, maybe one of our 4,5,6 position receivers can fill the role… It’s gonna be Harti 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Bills could probably go after money but I doubt it. So definitely non-football injury and probably more of an insurance matter than the Bills being on the hook for any of his salary and yes, they can probably......and should.......go after the bonus for cap space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: So definitely non-football injury and probably more of an insurance matter than the Bills being on the hook for any of his salary and yes, they can probably......and should.......go after the bonus for cap space. Yeah, they definitely shouldnt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Honestly hate this time of year. All I hope for is no injuries. Lions hit hard already. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 That is a bummer. He took a pay cut to stay and had a lot of value as a returner and potential backup receiving weapon at RB. Good dude, wish him all the best in his recovery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clyde Smith Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Honestly hate this time of year. All I hope for is no injuries. Lions hit hard already. Probably cause their field turf is trash. That's where we lost Tre and Von. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 7 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Bills could probably go after money but I doubt it. That just sucks. Poor guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Maynard Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 Man, that sucks. Murray just got a lot more safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 52 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: It appears that the Bills would suffer a $1.5M dead cap while gaining $2M in cap if they were to cut him. That's really not much of a dead cap. Now, I think they will more than likely just IR him...but being he was injured working out away from team activities may open the door for a release. It is $1.5M more than $0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 24, 2023 Share Posted July 24, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: I would imagine sitting stationary on a jet ski is not an activity that involved significant risk. If he got hurt in a car accident would they be trying to get money from him? Hopefully the Bills will not go after any of his salary. That would be a bad look. Edited July 24, 2023 by Beast 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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