LABILLBACKER Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: Some Heads around here are exploding as we type, 😂 🤯 Oh well, I like the idea of keeping Beane but McD just doesn't have the chops to win us a close playoff game. Enjoy McShottenheimer if that's your thing? Edited June 23, 2023 by LABILLBACKER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Westside Madness Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 minute ago, The Wiz said: It's actually broken. He stated that a while ago. @MikePJ76 when's the new laptop getting setup? 😂 Cool, I am glad I acknowledged that possibility then...lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 18 minutes ago, julian said: In fairness, 30 other teams have failed to accomplish that over the same time period You just drastically altered the argument by the post to which I responded. Is that a standard to be held aloft as being great? Our 90's era team blew that out of the water and Kelly was no where near as good as Allen. Just sayin' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Just now, Westside Madness said: Cool, I am glad I acknowledged that possibility then...lol I actually kind of don't want him to fix it though. lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Don Otreply said: Already some here hoping they get fired anyways, it’s so much fun sit back and watch the mental gymnastics required to maintain their thought process, 😂 🍸🚬, where’s my bar snacks…, 🤣 Any proof they have thought processes? 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Guess that’s why Miami is ranked higher than us 🤦🏼♂️🤣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: The Bills better win the SB soon or the McDermott holy wars will be in full force.....starting to get BBMB during the drought vibes. He just needs to get there. If he can freaking get there a ton is alleviated - and his resume looks extremely stellar. Would at least remove the stink of 13 seconds. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 We really need to get back to talking about Tremaine Edmunds 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, mushypeaches said: The piece that disgruntled fans here seem to lack awareness of is exactly how hard both Beane & McDermott work to get better at their professions. They are open to new ideas, trying new things, and actively focusing on improving their own deficiencies in the off-season This isn't guys like Jeff Fisher, or Marty Schottenheimer, or Marvin Lewis, or Mike McCarthy who might have had some early success and mostly fiddly-farted their way through the last 2/3 of their careers - fans and pundits KNOWING that these guys weren't going to get any better or ever sniff a SB My point is that both guys, and especially McDermott are putting in the hard work and effort to keep the stability that they've built the last 6 seasons while making the changes and enhancements that are needed to improve and keep giving us shots at a ring. Each and every frigging year The "word-of-the-day" appears to be stability. Stability is one thing, ultimate competitiveness entirely another. It's quite possible to have stability without being ultimately competitive. But given what you said, what are your expectation(s) for the team this year? Our playoff history isn't great here. Edited June 23, 2023 by PBF81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
What a Tuel Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, PBF81 said: You just drastically altered the argument by the post to which I responded. Is that a standard to be held aloft as being great? Our 90's era team blew that out of the water and Kelly was no where near as good as Allen. Just sayin' Once again here we are. No one is saying Super Bowl isn't the goal. The difference in opinion is that we think McDermott and Beane are putting us in a position to achieve that goal. You think that McDermott is a detriment to that goal - that we cannot win it with him because he is not capable of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Lost said: We really need to get back to talking about Tremaine Edmunds Letting him walk greatly cut down on those tiresome repetitive threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Einstein said: But, why? Didn't they have several years of contract left? Doesn’t really matter I guess. Many coaches have been fired after signing extensions. Agree this really means very little. So no need for anyone to go nuts. Likely they were safe for another 2 years anyway barring disaster. Most GM's to get a 2nd chance on HC so even if McD were to be let go, likely Beane would have hung on. This just means if if Pegula wants to fire them in next couple of years, he'll just need to dig another well. Is he still digging wells or did he get out of that business? Edited June 23, 2023 by Ed_Formerly_of_Roch 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Well earned. Now go get DHop please! 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 hour ago, ngbills said: This is going to be an unpopular take. But the timing is interesting. Could it be a message from ownership to the players, especially the black players. The GM and coach are my guys, you are a player aka the staff and need to know your place. Diggs speaking up and challenging the coach and GM stirred the pot. So Pegula needs to show that he stands with them. Who knows maybe some of the character guys talk bothers players. It can be viewed as a certain way to some of the black players. It was interesting in the comments around this extension, specifically calling out being a good Christian, etc. Yeah, this take is almost as bad as Einstein's. Not as bad though 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Einstein said: But, why? Didn't they have several years of contract left? Doesn’t really matter I guess. Many coaches have been fired after signing extensions. Someone with an IQ as large as you claim should be able to understand reason - they are trying to eliminate a portion of fandom in preparation for reducing size of stadium. May I suggest you join JEST fandom so you can help raise average IQ of their fandom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 This shows the ownership backed them when many in the football world wondered if they were on the hot seat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: 🤯 Oh well, I like the idea of keeping Beane but McD just doesn't have the chops to win us a close playoff game. Enjoy McShottenheimer Or Reid if that's your thing? Added Reid to your list as took him 21 years to win the SB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 13 minutes ago, The Wiz said: It's actually broken. He stated that a while ago. @MikePJ76 when's the new laptop getting setup? 😂 s0rry 0n my macb00k at the m0ment. and yes the 0h key is n0t w0rking. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Good for them and the organization. Deserved in my opinion 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikePJ76 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 22 minutes ago, Westside Madness said: Is the 'O' on your keyboard broken or are you just being super cool? I pr0mise I am n0t c00l at all. Damn 0h key 0n my macb00k is n0t wrking. I d0 n0t want t0 sit here with an0ther keyb0ard in my lap...s0 I am d0ing this bit at the m0ment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florida Bills Fanatic Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 hour ago, GunnerBill said: I think it shows the seat is a LOT cooler than a lot of fans want it to be and the media have speculated it is. I see almost no way this regime doesn't remain into 2024 at the very least. And the likelihood is the rope is a fair bit longer. Part of the reason why is surely that Terry knows he isn't great at these appointments. For all that McD and Beane ain't perfect and there are legit holes you can pick in both, they are overwhelmingly the two best hires that Pegs has made across multiple attempts for two franchises. Exactly! When you watch the teams that change leadership frequently, they are an ongoing clown show. It is hard to consistently win in the NFL and these guys have shown the ability to build a good roster and win games to compete for a championship. New GM's and coaches most often want to purge a roster and get their guys which usually leads to a significant rebuild (losing season) There is no guarantee that a new coach and GM would do better than these guys. In fact when you look around the league, many new coaches have not been a significant improvement over the guys they replaced. At best it is a roll of the dice. For the people that want a change, I'd be interested to know who the sure fire improvement replacement candidates would be. When I look around the league at the last few coaching changes, most don't strike me as an improvement ( TB, Carolina, AZ, Chargers, Saints, Minnesota, Browns, Colts, Atlanta ) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Gregg said: Even the media speculated McDermott could be on the hot seat if the Bills suffered another playoff disappointment. It's understandable the fans would feel the same way. But the only opinion that count's is Terry's and he sees it differently. Media would speculate the earth is flat if it would get the hits. The fans? Too much drinking killed brain cells. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Just now, Limeaid said: Media would speculate the earth is flat if it would get the hits. The fans? Too much drinking killed brain cells. Good point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 40 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: The only part I winced at is "Proud, Christian, determined man." Like his religious beliefs have anything to do with anything. If he were Buddhist, would it have been mentioned? Cry about it 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draconator Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 19 minutes ago, Lost said: We really need to get back to talking about Tremaine Edmunds Oh great. ANOTHER Edmunds thread. Just because he signed in Chicago, it doesn't stop the party... Is Ertz far behind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 33 minutes ago, The Wiz said: The Buffalo Jills need to be brought back? They are too old now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 6 minutes ago, What a Tuel said: Once again here we are. No one is saying Super Bowl isn't the goal. The difference in opinion is that we think McDermott and Beane are putting us in a position to achieve that goal. You think that McDermott is a detriment to that goal - that we cannot win it with him because he is not capable of it. Well thanks Tuel, one of your more congenial and substantive posts to me. 🙂 Having said that, three wild-card round wins, two over crap teams without QBs, and twice barely, and a single divisional round win, all with Allen, arguably the most athletically gifted and unique QB in league history, hardly stacks the evidence for a future Championship in your corner. For contrast, compare the 90s team's playoff performances with a notably lesser QB. We keep hearing from your side about this "positioning," perhaps you or some one can explain how many seasons/years of "positioning" is sufficient before a Championship can be expected? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 I’m good with this. The Bills have been one of the best teams in the NFL for the majority of McBeane’s tenure. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-total-nfl-wins-last-5-years 4th in the NFL in total wins from 2018-present. You don’t just throw that away. Be as good as you can for as long as you can… We’ve been attracting good NFL free agents wanting to chase Super Bowls for a reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Sane fans who enjoy winning: “Awesome!” Other fans: “How many of those are void years?” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Added Reid to your list as took him 21 years to win the SB. Reid only won because of Mahomes. Belichick is a .500 coach without Tom. At least Marv got us to 4 SB's with a QB substantially "less talented" than Josh. What's Sean's excuse, because there always is one. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 9 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Added Reid to your list as took him 21 years to win the SB. If Reid had had Allen in Philly, do you think it would have changed anything in that way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fetou Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 47 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: It's funny. So many folks thought it was Super Bowl or Bust for McD. Apparently, Terry didn't see it that way. I'm personally happy. After 17 years of hopelessness, we finally have a legitimate shot at the Lombardi with these two. You can't win the dance competition without a ticket to the dance. These guys give us tickets. I'm not particularly negative on McDermott, but Josh Allen is the ticket. Let's not kid ourselves. Beane hit with him and he's going to be riding that goodwill for a while. It's not easy to take a risk and find a QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 57 minutes ago, NewEra said: I read a report that states McD and Beane were secretly conspiring to walk out on the team if they weren’t given an extension. They voiced their concerns with resignation papers in hand. Terry folded to the pressure and here we are. You must have the same source as that Albany writer who said Bills were moving to Austin. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said: I’m good with this. The Bills have been one of the best teams in the NFL for the majority of McBeane’s tenure. https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/most-total-nfl-wins-last-5-years 4th in the NFL in total wins from 2018-present. You don’t just throw that away. Be as good as you can for as long as you can… We’ve been attracting good NFL free agents wanting to chase Super Bowls for a reason. No one is questioning our prowess in the regular season, no one. Edited June 23, 2023 by PBF81 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goin Breakdown Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 I read a report that Diggs was mad because these two weren't extended yet. Where's that report again?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 5 minutes ago, Fetou said: I'm not particularly negative on McDermott, but Josh Allen is the ticket. Let's not kid ourselves. Beane hit with him and he's going to be riding that goodwill for a while. It's not easy to take a risk and find a QB. The question boils down to whether or not McD, a defensive head coach, has what out takes to turn that ticket into a winner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 Guys, head coaches and GM’s are NEVER fired the season after receiving a lengthy extension. https://www.azcardinals.com/news/steve-keim-kliff-kingsbury-receive-contract-extensions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 4 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Reid only won because of Mahomes. Belichick is a .500 coach without Tom. At least Marv got us to 4 SB's with a QB substantially "less talented" than Josh. What's Sean's excuse, because there always is one. 2 minutes ago, PBF81 said: If Reid had had Allen in Philly, do you think it would have changed anything in that way? Reid had McNabb who was a very good QB, but Reid still couldn't win with him. One page I found had him ranked 26th all time. Comparing Kelly to Allen is kind of pointless as a different era. While Allen would have been bigger than any QB back then he also may not have survived as well back then due to the pounding he'd have taken and defenses didn't need to worry as much about getting flagged. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 (edited) 36 minutes ago, What a Tuel said: Once again here we are. No one is saying Super Bowl isn't the goal. The difference in opinion is that we think McDermott and Beane are putting us in a position to achieve that goal. You think that McDermott is a detriment to that goal - that we cannot win it with him because he is not capable of it. Yes, I absolutely think he is a detriment. Josh single-handedly will guarantee us 10-12 wins every year. Not McDermott and his mediocre game day decisions. But come playoff time with high leverage teams and opposing HC's, Clappy melts. Games like blowing a 16-0 lead in Houston or 13 seconds only validates that argument. I'm telling ya he'll always guarantee you that "stability" and I think Terry is in love with that concept. But climbing the top of Mt. Lombardi is not something Sean will be capable of. Edited June 23, 2023 by LABILLBACKER 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted June 23, 2023 Share Posted June 23, 2023 31 minutes ago, Lost said: We really need to get back to talking about Tremaine Edmunds We are talking about Tremaine Edmunds - part of the reason why they got extended is they made the wise decision to not extend him at figure Bears paid. 24 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said: s0rry 0n my macb00k at the m0ment. and yes the 0h key is n0t w0rking. You might try a visual keyboard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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