D-line coach Eric Washington’s comments on Ed Oliver — hoo boy

[billsfan89]

This is a contract year, Ed should have all the motivation and opportunity needed to have his best season. If he isn't going to be dedicated to the mental craft of his game in 2023 then it just isn't going to happen ever. 

[GreggTX]

My concern is that he might play much better for a fat contract, then hit the snooze button once he gets paid. Will he be the next Darius?

 

[BeastMaster]

Edmunds and Oliver are both supremely physically gifted players, but lack the instincts to fulfill their potential.

 

He can walk after the season like Tremaine. Not worth the money

[Nephilim17]

2 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

Josh is like a grand-slam.  Not sure how you would define "knocked out of the park," but White I'd put there.  Gilmore maybe?  

 

 

 

And ultimately of the GM if we want to be fully honest.  

 

 

Yes, forgot White. Very good pick for the bottom of the 1st at a highly paid position. Still,, I think the Bills for the past 20 years have had too many midling players chosen in the first and not enough difference makers. Lots of regimes to blame for that.

[Richard Noggin]

10 hours ago, Don Otreply said:

I think its more that he is calling Ed intellectually lazy concerning his game prep, jmo.

 

Processing speed is mentioned specifically, though. That's not a preparation thing exactly. 

[Richard Noggin]

4 hours ago, HurlyBurly51 said:

That's some honest feedback from the boss.  If it were a performance review it reads like a "needs improvement."  If I got that at work I'd be sweating bullets.  Can't say he wasn't warned.

 

Precursor to a 3-month PIP (performance improvement plan) for the corporate crowd.

[Einstein]

16 hours ago, Tom Donahoe, GM said:

Obviously Ed needs to continue improving and that is what he's saying Ed needs to improve.

 

No hoo boy's needed IMO

 

My goodness.
 

A coach could grab a megaphone and scream into a homers ear “the player sucks”, and some of you will find a way to make it sound good.

[Einstein]

6 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Hated the pick then and still do.

 

Especially with Simmons on the board. Big blunder.

[Utah John]

Marcel Dareus v.2

 

Talented DT taken high in the draft.  Inconsistent performance, no better overall than the JAGs available off the street.

 

And the attitude that he's deserving of a huge paycheck. Nah.  Dareus got his money and still didn't come through.  Not only that, but Dareus contributed to the team morale-killing laziness that defined the Bills for more than a decade.  The Bills don't have Kyle Williams and Lorax anymore to take this guy out back and tell him the news.  Who's the leader on D now?  Milano is outstanding on the field but seems quiet by nature.  Dr Poyer and Mr Hyde?  I'm not sure Poyer's deeply committed after not getting the big paycheck he was expecting.  Von Miller?  Could be but until he gets on the field again, I'm not sure the youngsters are giving him his due.

 

The Bills absolutely can't afford to let the cancer back into the building.  If it takes an Oliverectomy to get the team back to having its head on straight, do what needs to be done.  

[Utah John]

2 hours ago, GreggTX said:

My concern is that he might play much better for a fat contract, then hit the snooze button once he gets paid. Will he be the next Darius?

 

I think he already IS the next Dareus.  Ship him out ASAP before the rookies get the idea that his lazy, unproductive performance is acceptable.

[PBF81]

2 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

Yes, forgot White. Very good pick for the bottom of the 1st at a highly paid position. Still,, I think the Bills for the past 20 years have had too many midling players chosen in the first and not enough difference makers. Lots of regimes to blame for that.

 

Agreed, but also not sure why Beane gets a pass while Allen carries his water.

 

As I always say, imagine if some of our former teams had had Allen.  

 

 

52 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

My goodness.
 

A coach could grab a megaphone and scream into a homers ear “the player sucks”, and some of you will find a way to make it sound good.

 

Let's not forget, it's all about "The Process."   Amen!

 

 

[PBF81]

47 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

Especially with Simmons on the board. Big blunder.

 

Or Montez Sweat or several others from much bigger SEC or other programs and far better battle tested.  

 

 

[Einstein]

40 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

As I always say, imagine if some of our former teams had had Allen.  

 

 

Interesting thought experiment.

 

One could make the argument that this current roster (outside of Allen) is not much better than some of our playoff-drought teams.

 

Put Josh Allen with Lee Evans, Eric Moulds, Travis Henry, Pat Williams, Aaron Schobel, London Fletcher, Takeo Spikes, Nate Clements, Terrence McGee, Lawyer Milloy, etc.

 

I may pick that squad to beat our current team.

 

Or put Josh Allen with Fred Jackson, Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods, Kyle Williams, Prime Jerry Hughes, Mario Williams, Stephon Gilmore, Aaron Williams, Preston Brown, Darby, etc. 

 

Thats a playoff squad. Even without Allen they were only 1 game out of the playoffs.

 

But whatever - Beane isn’t the first GM to ride the coat tails of one homerun pick.

[Chandler#81]

18 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

Nobody who owns and rides horses is dumb, it's just not possible. It's true, Google it. 

 

Hopefully Oliver will be motivated by the prospect of a new contract, but I don't see it happening here. 

 

 

This isn’t 1870. What could possibly parallel owning a huge animal, many acres of land, years of concerted effort to maintain it just so you can ride it make a person smart?

Ridiculous. 
 

PS Good luck in FA, Ed.

Edited June 3, 2023 by Chandler#81

[TheBeaneBandit]

5 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Especially with Simmons on the board. Big blunder.

To be fair Simmons was projected to basically have a redshirt rookie year because of injury. 

[Billy Claude]

Maybe Eric Washington should look in the mirror.  The Bills haven't had a lot of pay back for all the draft investment they have put into the DL.  At least part of that responsibility has to go to the guy who is suppose to be developing the those high draft choices.

[Chandler#81]

8 minutes ago, Billy Claude said:

Maybe Eric Washington should look in the mirror.  The Bills haven't had a lot of pay back for all the draft investment they have put into the DL.  At least part of that responsibility has to go to the guy who is suppose to be developing the those high draft choices.

Riiight, cuz 3 straight Division titles and routinely among the Top 5 Defensive rankings means more work needs to be done.🤦‍♂️

[Thurman#1]

On 6/2/2023 at 9:12 PM, Tom Donahoe, GM said:

Obviously Ed needs to continue improving and that is what he's saying Ed needs to improve.

 

No hoo boy's needed IMO

 

 

Yeah, I think it's legit to say they're firing a warning shot off Ed's bow, that he's got to keep improving, and that one area where he's got to improve is playing faster. Working on nuances.

 

Beyond that, the News writer made assumptions that appear completely unsupported. There's no mention of problems with preparation. That's only one possible cause of not being fast enough and having problems with nuances and subtleties. There are several things that could cause those kinds of problems.

 

But he went out of his way to point out areas of improvement. They didn't have to take that public. They were trying to send a message for Ed, no doubt about it.

[RunTheBall]

1 hour ago, Chandler#81 said:

Riiight, cuz 3 straight Division titles and routinely among the Top 5 Defensive rankings means more work needs to be done.🤦‍♂️

Do you think Beane is just bad at evaluating DL talent then? Oliver is meh, Basham is a dud. Epenessa is meh, Rousseau was a solid pick at the end of the first. Just curious because I don’t think our defensive has lived up to the resources we’ve poured into it and either Beane or Washington owns that. They shouldn’t need a first ballot HOF DE to make it a dominant unit with all the picks/money poured into it (obviously Von’s health is the key to our D-line this season)

 

[Thurman#1]

8 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

My goodness.
 

A coach could grab a megaphone and scream into a homers ear “the player sucks”, and some of you will find a way to make it sound good.

 

 

Maybe. But on the other side, Beane can specifically go out of his way to support a guy like Edmunds, to say that they wanted to keep him but couldn't make it work reasonably, and some of you would (and have over and over) found a way to not believe it and try desperately to make it sound bad.

 

The coach here specifically went out of his way to point to specific but solveable problems, and for you that's apparently "the player sucks."

 

If anyone's running on confirmation bias it's guys trying to pretend a megaphone was used here, and then trying to pretend that when Beane actually did use a megaphone we shouldn't pay attention because he clearly didn't mean it as it doesn't line up with the posters' narratives.

 

My goodness indeeed.

 

 

Edited June 3, 2023 by Thurman#1

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

Well, at least he’s better than John McCargo ….. 🤪

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

12 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Haven't you learned that it is hard for Beane to move on from players he drafted😎

IIRC, Beane was lauded for stealing a fifth round pick trading some scrub named Wyatt Teller …. Oops!

[PBF81]

7 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

Interesting thought experiment.

 

One could make the argument that this current roster (outside of Allen) is not much better than some of our playoff-drought teams.

 

Put Josh Allen with Lee Evans, Eric Moulds, Travis Henry, Pat Williams, Aaron Schobel, London Fletcher, Takeo Spikes, Nate Clements, Terrence McGee, Lawyer Milloy, etc.

 

I may pick that squad to beat our current team.

 

Or put Josh Allen with Fred Jackson, Sammy Watkins, Robert Woods, Kyle Williams, Prime Jerry Hughes, Mario Williams, Stephon Gilmore, Aaron Williams, Preston Brown, Darby, etc. 

 

Thats a playoff squad. Even without Allen they were only 1 game out of the playoffs.

 

But whatever - Beane isn’t the first GM to ride the coat tails of one homerun pick.

 

Exactly!

 

Now, pick any QBs from those eras and put 'em on this team in place of Allen.  

 

How would we be? 

 

 

42 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said:

IIRC, Beane was lauded for stealing a fifth round pick trading some scrub named Wyatt Teller …. Oops!

 

Everything's some shrewd move, until it isn't.  

 

 

[clayboy54]

4 hours ago, PBF81 said:

Everything's some shrewd move, until it isn't.  

Until this group gets ahold of it anyway.

[Billy Claude]

7 hours ago, Chandler#81 said:

Riiight, cuz 3 straight Division titles and routinely among the Top 5 Defensive rankings means more work needs to be done.🤦‍♂️

 

Given the investment made in the draft investment made in the D line you would expect at least a couple of top draftees to be really good and maybe a late rounder to surprise. Outside of Groot, who one still has reasonable hopes for, who has done that?

[ControllerOfPlanetX]

Is this his contract year? Not worrying about his performance this year.

[Freddie's Dead]

If the McKittrick haterz got him run outta town for lack of situational awareness, than Eddie O should not be far behind.  We need to free up that 10M to get DHop, a backup OT, etc.  Ed Oliver is a DD on the Bust Chart.

[Big Blitz]

Going to do a little bit of defending Ed here.  
 

I’m sorry.  I’ve said it since the season ended.  The D line coach of this team is ultimately responsible for getting the most out of these guys.  And every year since Washington has been here the group has gotten worse.  
 

Sure there are signs AJ may be improving some.  I think.  Basham is looking like a career jag.  Ed - how much better had he gotten?  Is he not “getting it” because the coach hasn’t figured out how to get it out of him?

 

If Washington had a record as D line coach that you look at and say “yea this is definitely on Ed” but I can’t say that.   
 

And actually making these comments publicly - a position coach - seems awfully defensive about his job performance imo.  

Edited June 3, 2023 by Big Blitz

[Einstein]

7 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

Maybe. But on the other side, Beane can specifically go out of his way to support a guy like Edmunds, to say that they wanted to keep him but couldn't make it work reasonably, and some of you would (and have over and over) found a way to not believe it and try desperately to make it sound bad.

 

Fair point. And I agree.

 

7 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

The coach here specifically went out of his way to point to specific but solveable problems, and for you that's apparently "the player sucks."

 

That's not what I said though. At all.

 

My point was, based on the ideology of certain posters and their tendencies to excuse-away anything even remotely critical, EVEN IF a coach were to blare into a megaphone "the player sucks", they still wouldn't believe it.

[Buffalo716]

On 6/2/2023 at 8:27 AM, dave mcbride said:

He’s saying he’s basically a moron (or at least plays like a moron on the football field). 

He certainly did not say he’s a moron

 

He said he needs to use his experience better… And understand small nuances to be ahead of the play instead of reacting

 

And that will make him take the next step

 

Next step could be a big Time season… That’s far from calling him an idiot who tries hard 

 

That’s called external motivation

[BattlinBill]

Seems like someone on the team must like him....🤔

[Mr. WEO]

53 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

He certainly did not say he’s a moron

 

He said he needs to use his experience better… And understand small nuances to be ahead of the play instead of reacting

 

And that will make him take the next step

 

Next step could be a big Time season… That’s far from calling him an idiot who tries hard 

 

That’s called external motivation

 

 

That "motivation" just evaporated as he signed the Dareus contract...

[Captain_Quint]

Is Eric Washington on the hot seat now?

 

[Punching Bag]

On 6/2/2023 at 10:08 AM, 34-78-83 said:

Everything that made Kyle Williams a very good player is what is holding back Ed. Kyle learned how to read the key indicators being presented by the opponent and use them to his advantage. Things like what kind of stance an opponent is in, if he leaning forward or back or tilted slightly in a direction, what a man in motion means on the play and how that changes where the ball might go, etc. etc. It's not that Ed is too dumb to pick that up, and its not that he's not studying film (he wouldn't play if he didn't), its more that he has not made it to the advanced levels of studying film that give some of these guys an edge. Being "late" when you're "light" more often than not spells trouble post-snap.

 

And they should offer him a job in training camp / preseason working with linemen.

[Aussie Joe]

On 6/2/2023 at 10:27 PM, dave mcbride said:

He’s saying he’s basically a moron (or at least plays like a moron on the football field). 

‘Moron’ getting paid..

 

hoo boy

 

 

2 hours ago, ControllerOfPlanetX said:

Is this his contract year? Not worrying about his performance this year.

Was his contract year

[Big Blitz]

1 hour ago, Big Blitz said:

Going to do a little bit of defending Ed here.  
 

I’m sorry.  I’ve said it since the season ended.  The D line coach of this team is ultimately responsible for getting the most out of these guys.  And every year since Washington has been here the group has gotten worse.  
 

Sure there are signs AJ may be improving some.  I think.  Basham is looking like a career jag.  Ed - how much better had he gotten?  Is he not “getting it” because the coach hasn’t figured out how to get it out of him?

 

If Washington had a record as D line coach that you look at and say “yea this is definitely on Ed” but I can’t say that.   
 

And actually making these comments publicly - a position coach - seems awfully defensive about his job performance imo.  

 

As soon as I post this — $$$$$

[Dunkirk Donski]

2 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

If the McKittrick haterz got him run outta town for lack of situational awareness, than Eddie O should not be far behind.  We need to free up that 10M to get DHop, a backup OT, etc.  Ed Oliver is a DD on the Bust Chart.

Ahh, the good ol days 🍻

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

On 6/2/2023 at 8:26 AM, eball said:

There’s no question this is Oliver’s year to prove he deserves a big 2nd contract.  We’ll see what he does with it.

 

Oops 

[Chaos]

On 6/2/2023 at 8:04 AM, dave mcbride said:

,“Just continue to play the game as much as possible from the neck up. When you have the kind of talent Ed has, you have to understand situations that could mean the difference between separating yourself from the opponent (and saying), ‘I have to able to process very, very quickly so I can win my one-on-one so I can play ahead of the play as opposed to playing with the sequence of that particular play.’

“With Ed, from an experience standpoint, we need him to play ahead as opposed to with the tempo of the play so (understanding) situations, certain nuances with certain calls and understanding where he can take advantage based on his position (is important).”

Hooboy. And wow. And yikes.

Reading between the words isn’t required to interrupt what Washington was saying, right?

Understanding situations … Process very, very quickly. … Play ahead of the play.

If it reads to you as if Washington wants Oliver to do more video study and be more committed to during-the-week preparation in order to perform better in games – that was 100% my lean once I transcribed the quote.’

 

https://buffalonews.com/sports/bills/ryan-ohalloran-to-hear-bills-tell-it-ed-olivers-final-chance-to-earn-long-term/article_cc3f0636-009a-11ee-8d28-c3fb3d9ee3df.html

This did not age well

[PrimeTime101]

10 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Maybe. But on the other side, Beane can specifically go out of his way to support a guy like Edmunds, to say that they wanted to keep him but couldn't make it work reasonably, and some of you would (and have over and over) found a way to not believe it and try desperately to make it sound bad.

 

The coach here specifically went out of his way to point to specific but solveable problems, and for you that's apparently "the player sucks."

 

If anyone's running on confirmation bias it's guys trying to pretend a megaphone was used here, and then trying to pretend that when Beane actually did use a megaphone we shouldn't pay attention because he clearly didn't mean it as it doesn't line up with the posters' narratives.

 

My goodness indeeed.

 

 

omg preach on.. ty...