Hopkins released by Arizona (7/16: signed by Titans)

[Fleezoid]

This is the best outcome for DHop. He gets a bunch of money and he won't have to play in all those annoying playoff games.

[BuffaloBillyG]

16 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

Yeah, I don't disagree.   Not everyone chases a ring, and even if they are looking for a ring, the dollars still are important.   

 

But some guys are different. 

 

Von Miller came to Buffalo, and he could have done better elsewhere.  He could have been closer to home, in a friendlier tax environment (which in his case could have been worth a million alone), in a warmer climate, and still on a contender.  

 

Chris Paul's contract may not have changed, but he wouldn't agree to go to just any team to be a backup point guard.   He's happy to be in Golden State for one reason: a shot at a ring. 

 

Brady played for less for several seasons in New England.   

Oh for sure, different things factor in for different guys. As much as some fans refuse to see it, these people are humans as well and things factor in for them much the same it would for you and me when thinking about switching places of employment. Things like taxes, quality of life in the area you're uprooting to and about a thousand other factors. Picking somewhere because of a ring or even at times it's the biggest paycheck I don't believe is as much of a thing as fans make it out to be. Sure there are some that will, but if I'm betting I would say less than 20% of players base their choice on just one of those 2 factors.

 

There have been many well documented cases of Buffalo losing out on FAs because the guy's wife didn't want to move to Buffalo...lol. 

 

We have been told that it was NE and Tenn that had contract offers out for Hopkins this late in the game...and he took the deal from a team where he is familiar with one coach and had a good relationship (Vrabel) over the team that employs a guy that reportedly trashed Hopkins for having his kids mom's around and compared him to Aaron Hernandez. Relationships matter lol

[Jerry Jabber]

Disappointed the Bills spent $9M bringing in another DE [Leonard Floyd] instead of using that money to try and bring in Hopkins. The amount of assets this team has spent on the D-line since McDermott/Beane took over has been ridiculous! 
 

Don’t blame Hopkins for taking the money considering all the wear and tear football players put their bodies through.

[Shaw66]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Oh for sure, different things factor in for different guys. As much as some fans refuse to see it, these people are humans as well and things factor in for them much the same it would for you and me when thinking about switching places of employment. Things like taxes, quality of life in the area you're uprooting to and about a thousand other factors. Picking somewhere because of a ring or even at times it's the biggest paycheck I don't believe is as much of a thing as fans make it out to be. Sure there are some that will, but if I'm betting I would say less than 20% of players base their choice on just one of those 2 factors.

 

There have been many well documented cases of Buffalo losing out on FAs because the guy's wife didn't want to move to Buffalo...lol. 

 

We have been told that it was NE and Tenn that had contract offers out for Hopkins this late in the game...and he took the deal from a team where he is familiar with one coach and had a good relationship (Vrabel) over the team that employs a guy that reportedly trashed Hopkins for having his kids mom's around and compared him to Aaron Hernandez. Relationships matter lol

less than 20% is right.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

[Virgil]

Just now, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

 

That's sadly accurate.

 

Besides AJ Brown, have they had anyone else start there that left and performed at a higher level?

[NoHuddleKelly12]

12 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Disappointed the Bills spent $9M bringing in another DE [Leonard Floyd] instead of using that money to try and bring in Hopkins. The amount of assets this team has spent on the D-line since McDermott/Beane took over has been ridiculous! 
 

Don’t blame Hopkins for taking the money considering all the wear and tear football players put their bodies through.

The problem as Joe Marino on his pod has also pointed out a number of times, is that precisely because the D-line has been unsatisfactory despite its investment value relative to some other positions, is why the Bills needed to keep tinkering with it in order to keep it from remaining a liability--going against who we do, makes that an imperative. That said, obviously I wish D-Hop was a Bill today too.  

[GunnerBill]

6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The Chiefs can afford the risk, they are SB champs twice… the Bills have blown several opportunities and need a guy like Hopkins to get them over the top IMO… couple with their mediocre line… but oh well McBeane will keep with their philosophy of defense rules. 

 

That wasn't really my point, but sure, the Bills could have used Hopkins. 

[SWATeam]

4 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

The Chiefs can afford the risk, they are SB champs twice… the Bills have blown several opportunities and need a guy like Hopkins to get them over the top IMO… couple with their mediocre line… but oh well McBeane will keep with their philosophy of defense rules. 

LOL, would you say this offseason was more focused on defensive acquisitions?    

[Einstein's Dog]

1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:

 

I can't say there are many great receivers I really like, as people or personalities or teammates.  Not OBJ, not DHop, even Diggs rankles me.  I admire their great skill, but I always wonder if they make their teams better.  DHop had Watson and Murray as QBs, and they didn't win.  Lots of reasons, maybe, but he was the answer for neither team.  I wish him well, but I'll be surprised if he makes one of those QBs an all-star.  OBJ, too.  The one success OBJ had was as a role player with the Rams. 

 

I like Tyreek Hill.   He just goes out and does his job.  He knows he's a special talent, but he never seems to make it about Tyreek.  

I agree with you, on the whole the WRs as people are a harder to root for position group.  DHop has had prima donna tendencies, and the reports of poor practice patterns was a real concern to me (and probably Beane/McD).

 

You like Tyreek Hill?  How/why?  My god no.  He's made it about Tyreek plenty.  KC moved him.  That's KC, not exactly a pillar of morals.  Remember when he wouldn't restructure for KC?  And please don't forget the whole college saga/behaviors that had him slip down the draft.  

 

I like M Evans, and wouldn't mind Tyler Lockett/C Godwin/H Renfro/A Thielen.

[BuffaloBillyG]

2 hours ago, arcane said:

If Toney and Skyy Moore count as investments that show high prioritization relative to the Bills'additions...

 

I wouldn't trade Shakir, Harty and sherfield for Moore and Toney

 

I want better receivers too but your "at least the chiefs" stretch just tore your groin 

Skyy Moore had largely the same season that Shakir had last year. Neither could find snaps. Neither appeared to gain the coaching staff's trust. Moore was nothing special last year. 

 

Toney mave have the worst hamstrings in NFL history. There's a chance he misses a ton of time every year.

 

How people can legitimately say that those 2 are better investments than Shakir and Harty at this point because Shakir couldn't find the field and Harty has had injury issues is laughable. Now, 3 years down the road perhaps it's a different tune if Toney gorilla glues those hamstrings together and Moore finds a map so he knows where to go on the field...but for now it's the same picture.

[HappyDays]

42 minutes ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Disappointed the Bills spent $9M bringing in another DE [Leonard Floyd] instead of using that money to try and bring in Hopkins. The amount of assets this team has spent on the D-line since McDermott/Beane took over has been ridiculous! 

 

There are a number of ways we could have had enough space left over for Hopkins. It is frustrating to see us make the same mistake as last offseason despite even more evidence that Davis is not ready to be a full time WR2. I have trouble envisioning how our offense is going to fare against more talented offenses in the playoffs. I guess if Allen plays at his ceiling for the entire season and everyone that we brought in this offseason meets their expectations we can overcome an inefficient WR2 but it's a lot to ask.

[ngbills]

20 hours ago, 1ManRaid said:

 

Of course he's going to pull 1k yards, he's going to be the unquestioned #1 WR in that relatively weak WR room.  No way we get that sort of value out of him on our team at anywhere close to the money the Titans gave him.  In what world would it make sense to give him $10m+/year when we honestly don't really need him?  We added Cook and Kinkaid, Knox will benefit from better O-line play freeing him to go out and catch balls, and our WR signings are underrated.  Davis is fine as WR2.

That is point. Hopefully (key word hope) we see Cook get better in year 2, we see Kincaid contribute as a rookie, we see Knox play better, we get production from journeyman-type WR, and Davis can look like a #2. With Hopkins, you are buying essentially a sure thing for a #2 target. He and Diggs would essentially have been 1a and 1b. We are now banking on hope. If it pays off, great and we saved some some cash for a few depth special team-type guys. If it fails, then were those depth players worth it? 

21 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Skyy Moore had largely the same season that Shakir had last year. Neither could find snaps. Neither appeared to gain the coaching staff's trust. Moore was nothing special last year. 

 

Toney mave have the worst hamstrings in NFL history. There's a chance he misses a ton of time every year.

 

How people can legitimately say that those 2 are better investments than Shakir and Harty at this point because Shakir couldn't find the field and Harty has had injury issues is laughable. Now, 3 years down the road perhaps it's a different tune if Toney gorilla glues those hamstrings together and Moore finds a map so he knows where to go on the field...but for now it's the same picture.

With Kelce its much easier to take risks on the rest of the supporting cast. We dont have anyone like Kelce. 

[BRH]

Sure, but there's also something called the Players' Association that would scream bloody murder if players started taking discounts like that.  It's one thing for a fading player at the end of his career or someone coming off a debilitating injury to take less money to sign with a winner; it's another for someone to do it who is arguably still in his prime years and hasn't blown out both knees or something like that.  You'd better believe the NFLPA pressures its players to get the best deals they can.  Unlike with management collusion, that's not an unfair labor practice.  And it's also why you never see players grumbling about other guys holding out.  They know a rising tide lifts all boats.

Edited July 17, 2023 by BRH

[Doc Brown]

2 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said:

Eric Moulds too but it doesn’t mean jack squat unless you’re superstitious.

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

 

With Kelce its much easier to take risks on the rest of the supporting cast. We dont have anyone like Kelce. 

Spoiler alert: No team has someone like Kelce. He's a one of one at this point from a skills and mismatch level. This doesn't mean there is no other team in the NFL can take risks on supporting cast.

 

This is also being a tad misleading as Kelce is their top target. We have Diggs who, production wise is on the same level. 

 

In my OP I compared how Moore and Shakir had the same season. Also how Harty and Toney were both red alert injury risks. Now add to that the production of Kelce vs Diggs is equivalent. On to of that we still have Davis, Knox and Kincaid. KC seems like they are the ones a bit thinner to me.

[Irv]

I don't blame him for taking the money.  I'd rather have a couple million in my pocket for myself and my family than a Super Bowl ring.  That may not be popular, but I'd take the $$$$$$ all day and twice on Sunday.    

[newcam2012]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Him going to Tenn feels like a win for us. I don't think we were ever gonna make the cap room to bring him here once he had been released and Tenn are not potential contender for any more than sneaking into the playoffs in 2023 even with him. 

 

And I think we get a year off from the Titans this year too, right?

The Bills made some difficult decisions. Signing Oliver certainly looked to seal the deal that Hopkins wasn't coming to Buffalo. Maybe I'm wrong here because I'm not good with the cap and money restrictions. 

 

If my premise is somewhat plausible, i'd rather have Dhop and traded Oliver for a mid draft pick or two. I think Dhop impacts the team more and gives the Bills a better chance to win. With Beane really concentrating on the offense, I'm surprised he couldn't or didn't get it done. 

 

I think opposing teams would have hated to see Dhop go to Buffalo. I doubt Oliver is putting any fear in opposing offenses. I doubt they are game planning for him. Dhop on the other hand certainly creates many issues for opposing defenses. 

 

I'm pretty sure it's not as simple as I'm stating. Lots of variables in play. I can't help but to feel a little let down in the decision not to create some cap room for DHop. 

[ngbills]

27 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Spoiler alert: No team has someone like Kelce. He's a one of one at this point from a skills and mismatch level. This doesn't mean there is no other team in the NFL can take risks on supporting cast.

 

This is also being a tad misleading as Kelce is their top target. We have Diggs who, production wise is on the same level. 

 

In my OP I compared how Moore and Shakir had the same season. Also how Harty and Toney were both red alert injury risks. Now add to that the production of Kelce vs Diggs is equivalent. On to of that we still have Davis, Knox and Kincaid. KC seems like they are the ones a bit thinner to me.

No team has Kelce but that is why CIN needs Chase, Higgins and Boyd. That is why MIA needs Hill and Waddle. The Bills need a Diggs and somebody. The hope is that somebody is Davis (looked possible entering last season, not so much anymore), Knox or Kincaid, one of the journeyman in Harty or Sherfield. Until then the Bills are just Diggs and the supporting cast. The teams mentioned above are the who we need to beat this year to achieve our goals. I think we are well behind all of them in threats to catch the ball until we have a solid #2 option. 

 

[Nihilarian]

4 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

Their OL is also at different level then the Bills. I believe they were #2 last year and the Bills were #26. 

When you look at the KC Chiefs vs Buffalo they have a super top OC / HC that is at a genius level. Their offensive line didn't allow a single sack against that Eagle defense. Does anyone else recall what they did to the Buffalo O line when they last met? That Eagle defense was way better this season.

 

I don't see the KC WR corps as better than the Buffalo Bills at all. It's that damned TE Travis Kelce that makes that offense so potent.

 

So, QB vs QB..even

OC vs OC Chiefs by 1000 miles. Chiefs

O line vs O line, perhaps the Bill caught up a bit this offseason...maybe. Chiefs

WR Corps vs WR corps... Buffalo can ya DIGGS it! Bills

TE vs TE...Chiefs...for now. Dalton Kincade? Chiefs. 

 

Still, Buffalo has beaten the Chiefs in the past two regular seasons during the season. We will very soon see what the Buffalo offense will look like in 2023. 

[ngbills]

13 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

The Bills made some difficult decisions. Signing Oliver certainly looked to seal the deal that Hopkins wasn't coming to Buffalo. Maybe I'm wrong here because I'm not good with the cap and money restrictions. 

 

If my premise is somewhat plausible, i'd rather have Dhop and traded Oliver for a mid draft pick or two. I think Dhop impacts the team more and gives the Bills a better chance to win. With Beane really concentrating on the offense, I'm surprised he couldn't or didn't get it done. 

 

I think opposing teams would have hated to see Dhop go to Buffalo. I doubt Oliver is putting any fear in opposing offenses. I doubt they are game planning for him. Dhop on the other hand certainly creates many issues for opposing defenses. 

 

I'm pretty sure it's not as simple as I'm stating. Lots of variables in play. I can't help but to feel a little let down in the decision not to create some cap room for DHop. 

All we needed to do was restrux one or two of a few guys. TEN only has like $3M more cap space than us and got a deal done. 

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:

McB will no longer have the luxury of ignoring the WR position.  Diggs because of age & attitude may have limited time. I have no faith in 53% Gabe Davis. We absolutely must draft 2 wrs in the first 3 rounds. And one has to hit.

The Bills WR core after Diggs is a huge drop off. At this point, it's pretty clear what Davis and several of the other WRs are. The WR core likely doesn't instill much fear for opposing defenses. Allen will once again be the focal point. Likely he will be asked to do too much. The Bills definelty need another WR to step it up. 

 

Come playoff time you game bank on it the opposing team will double Diggs and take him out of the game. Some other WR will have to step up. Davis is no longer a secret and unlikely to be that guy. I'm sure others disagree here. Kincaid shows promise and potential but who knows. Same with others. 

 

As for me, the team had to make some difficult decisions. Cap restrictions certainly limited the teams moves. Beane was honest about that. None of the offensive moves in and of itself seem to be game changers except Kincaid. If Kincaid is that dynamic and the coaching staff can utilize his skill set then that's another story. Hopefully, he becomes a dynamic weapon for the Bills. If so, an already dangerous Allen becomes even better.

 

Another huge key is the oline. The oline has to be much better in order for the Bills to compete with likes of KC and Cinci. Beane has absolutely tried to upgrade this area. Hopefully, it pans out. 

2 minutes ago, ngbills said:

All we needed to do was restrux one or two of a few guys. TEN only has like $3M more cap space than us and got a deal done. 

Thanks. Sure feels like the Bills could have gotten a deal done. 

[KingBoots8]

9 minutes ago, Irv said:

I don't blame him for taking the money.  I'd rather have a couple million in my pocket for myself and my family than a Super Bowl ring.  That may not be popular, but I'd take the $$$$$$ all day and twice on Sunday.    

To be fair, and I’m making an assumption here, you don’t already have millions that you are sitting on. It’s incredibly easy for someone like us to take the money because comparatively speaking we don’t have all that much. 
 

Now if I was 30 years old and nearing the twilight of my career, who already made over $45m in the NFL alone, I might consider taking a little less for a year or two so I could say I was a world champion.

[Mr. WEO]

34 minutes ago, Irv said:

I don't blame him for taking the money.  I'd rather have a couple million in my pocket for myself and my family than a Super Bowl ring.  That may not be popular, but I'd take the $$$$$$ all day and twice on Sunday.    

 

He and his family had already collected 57 million form the Cardinals. 

 

4 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

The Bills WR core after Diggs is a huge drop off. At this point, it's pretty clear what Davis and several of the other WRs are. The WR core likely doesn't instill much fear for opposing defenses. Allen will once again be the focal point. Likely he will be asked to do too much. The Bills definelty need another WR to step it up. 

 

Come playoff time you game bank on it the opposing team will double Diggs and take him out of the game. Some other WR will have to step up. Davis is no longer a secret and unlikel

 

 

Diggs was not a star  after the bye.  And for his career in playoff closeout games, he's a ghost. So yeah, someone else will need to step up.

[GunnerBill]

17 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

The Bills made some difficult decisions. Signing Oliver certainly looked to seal the deal that Hopkins wasn't coming to Buffalo. Maybe I'm wrong here because I'm not good with the cap and money restrictions. 

 

If my premise is somewhat plausible, i'd rather have Dhop and traded Oliver for a mid draft pick or two. I think Dhop impacts the team more and gives the Bills a better chance to win. With Beane really concentrating on the offense, I'm surprised he couldn't or didn't get it done. 

 

I think opposing teams would have hated to see Dhop go to Buffalo. I doubt Oliver is putting any fear in opposing offenses. I doubt they are game planning for him. Dhop on the other hand certainly creates many issues for opposing defenses. 

 

I'm pretty sure it's not as simple as I'm stating. Lots of variables in play. I can't help but to feel a little let down in the decision not to create some cap room for DHop. 

 

It definitely isn't that simple. Ed's cap hit this year is less than $5m - extending him actually freed up money this year rather than costing it. And beyond 2023 they had zero DTs under contract next season. So unless they were going to go with 4 rookies or vet minimum players at DT next year they kind of had to commit some money to that position, and that wasn't "free money" that could have gone to offense. It was really the money that had to go on the defensive tackle position not just for the benefit of 2023, but for the years beyond. 

 

The moves that it is more reasonable to suggest cost money that could have gone on offense were Leonard Floyd and Poona Ford. Floyd is a 1 year $7m deal while the cap hit is spread over 4 years and so it is only a $2.6m hit this year. Ford is 1 year $1.5m. That wouldn't have been enough to land DHop. 

 

On Ed Oliver the player, he has been consistently near the top of Seth Walder's double team tracker which suggests that teams do to some extent game plan to stop him. The Bills haven't had a lot of other guys who can penetrate inside (from DT or MLB given that Edmunds wasn't much of a blitzer) so he does tend to get a fair amount of focus.... but he was also a game wrecker in the middle of last season that Cleveland-Detroit run he played as big a part as anyone in winning us those games. He needs to stay healthy and he does need to produce more consistently but he is one of our best defenders. 

 

Even having said that though, there was a deal that I think was viable to trade Ed for DHop (not that I think the Bills ever countenanced it, but I might have) pre-FA and draft. It would have required them to spend some of that defensive tackle cash on a vet for more than a 1 year rental to enable them to afford to part with Ed but then they could also have prioritised drafting a young DT and trying to make a play to trade for Hopkins (and tinker with his contract to make it all fit). By the time DHop became a free agent the Bills were realistically out of the running IMO. The Ed Oliver extension at that point a) saved us money and b) was a move they really needed to make at the spot. 

[newcam2012]

5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He and his family had already collected 57 million form the Cardinals. 

 

 

Diggs was not a star  after the bye.  And for his career in playoff closeout games, he's a ghost. So yeah, someone else will need to step up.

The whole Diggs situation is one I'm interested to see how it plays out. I'm not convinced that everything is squashed. I'm expecting some Diggs drama this season. Diggs certainly has a difficult time controlling his emotions. Hoping we don't see a Minn repeat but it wouldn't surprise me either. We've some red flags already. The coffee is brewing sort of speak. 

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It definitely isn't that simple. Ed's cap hit this year is less than $5m - extending him actually freed up money this year rather than costing it. And beyond 2023 they had zero DTs under contract next season. So unless they were going to go with 4 rookies or vet minimum players at DT next year they kind of had to commit some money to that position, and that wasn't "free money" that could have gone to offense. It was really the money that had to go on the defensive tackle position not just for the benefit of 2023, but for the years beyond. 

 

The moves that it is more reasonable to suggest cost money that could have gone on offense were Leonard Floyd and Poona Ford. Floyd is a 1 year $7m deal while the cap hit is spread over 4 years and so it is only a $2.6m hit this year. Ford is 1 year $1.5m. That wouldn't have been enough to land DHop. 

 

On Ed Oliver the player, he has been consistently near the top of Seth Walder's double team tracker which suggests that teams do to some extent game plan to stop him. The Bills haven't had a lot of other guys who can penetrate inside (from DT or MLB given that Edmunds wasn't much of a blitzer) so he does tend to get a fair amount of focus.... but he was also a game wrecker in the middle of last season that Cleveland-Detroit run he played as big a part as anyone in winning us those games. He needs to stay healthy and he does need to produce more consistently but he is one of our best defenders. 

 

Even having said that though, there was a deal that I think was viable to trade Ed for DHop (not that I think the Bills ever countenanced it, but I might have) pre-FA and draft. It would have required them to spend some of that defensive tackle cash on a vet for more than a 1 year rental to enable them to afford to part with Ed but then they could also have prioritised drafting a young DT and trying to make a play to trade for Hopkins (and tinker with his contract to make it all fit). By the time DHop became a free agent the Bills were realistically out of the running IMO. The Ed Oliver extension at that point a) saved us money and b) was a move they really needed to make at the spot. 

Super good insight here Gunner! Thanks. 

[Mr. WEO]

4 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

The whole Diggs situation is one I'm interested to see how it plays out. I'm not convinced that everything is squashed. I'm expecting some Diggs drama this season. Diggs certainly has a difficult time controlling his emotions. Hoping we don't see a Minn repeat but it wouldn't surprise me either. We've some red flags already. The coffee is brewing sort of speak. 

Super good insight here Gunner! Thanks. 

 

 

It's not about drama....the guy is a biggest game no show, going back to Minnesota.

[newcam2012]

5 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

It definitely isn't that simple. Ed's cap hit this year is less than $5m - extending him actually freed up money this year rather than costing it. And beyond 2023 they had zero DTs under contract next season. So unless they were going to go with 4 rookies or vet minimum players at DT next year they kind of had to commit some money to that position, and that wasn't "free money" that could have gone to offense. It was really the money that had to go on the defensive tackle position not just for the benefit of 2023, but for the years beyond. 

 

The moves that it is more reasonable to suggest cost money that could have gone on offense were Leonard Floyd and Poona Ford. Floyd is a 1 year $7m deal while the cap hit is spread over 4 years and so it is only a $2.6m hit this year. Ford is 1 year $1.5m. That wouldn't have been enough to land DHop. 

 

On Ed Oliver the player, he has been consistently near the top of Seth Walder's double team tracker which suggests that teams do to some extent game plan to stop him. The Bills haven't had a lot of other guys who can penetrate inside (from DT or MLB given that Edmunds wasn't much of a blitzer) so he does tend to get a fair amount of focus.... but he was also a game wrecker in the middle of last season that Cleveland-Detroit run he played as big a part as anyone in winning us those games. He needs to stay healthy and he does need to produce more consistently but he is one of our best defenders. 

 

Even having said that though, there was a deal that I think was viable to trade Ed for DHop (not that I think the Bills ever countenanced it, but I might have) pre-FA and draft. It would have required them to spend some of that defensive tackle cash on a vet for more than a 1 year rental to enable them to afford to part with Ed but then they could also have prioritised drafting a young DT and trying to make a play to trade for Hopkins (and tinker with his contract to make it all fit). By the time DHop became a free agent the Bills were realistically out of the running IMO. The Ed Oliver extension at that point a) saved us money and b) was a move they really needed to make at the spot. 

I do like Oliver. He is solid but lacks consistency. His contract does seem reasonable and The Bills clearly had little to nothing behind him. So the Oliver signing does make sense. 

 

I do like the Floyd and Ford pick ups along with moving on from Edmunds.

 

However, I'm ultra focused on the offensive side of the ball. Perhaps to a flaw. Dhop certainly fits into my mindset of loading up on the offense. 

[Virgil]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

There are a number of ways we could have had enough space left over for Hopkins. It is frustrating to see us make the same mistake as last offseason despite even more evidence that Davis is not ready to be a full time WR2. I have trouble envisioning how our offense is going to fare against more talented offenses in the playoffs. I guess if Allen plays at his ceiling for the entire season and everyone that we brought in this offseason meets their expectations we can overcome an inefficient WR2 but it's a lot to ask.

Sadly, I think that’s the gameplan.  Hope Allen plays out of his mind every week 

[CSBill]

Did we sign Hopkins yet?

[newcam2012]

2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

It's not about drama....the guy is a biggest game no show, going back to Minnesota.

I here you. I'm a big Diggs fan for many reasons. I love the way he competes and certainly has been really good for the Bills. 

 

Yes, he hasn't produced cone playoff time. I think that's more on the Bills game planning, schemes, lack of WR weapons, and teams flat out doubling and taking Diggs out of the game. Sure blame some has to fall ob Diggs without a doubt. 

 

I'm just wondering what changes this year; so Diggs can be a weapon come playoff time? Another no show is unacceptable.  

7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

It's not about drama....the guy is a biggest game no show, going back to Minnesota.

That's a little harsh though. The guy falls somewhere in the vicinity of the top 10 WRs in the league. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

25 minutes ago, ngbills said:

No team has Kelce but that is why CIN needs Chase, Higgins and Boyd. That is why MIA needs Hill and Waddle. The Bills need a Diggs and somebody. The hope is that somebody is Davis (looked possible entering last season, not so much anymore), Knox or Kincaid, one of the journeyman in Harty or Sherfield. Until then the Bills are just Diggs and the supporting cast. The teams mentioned above are the who we need to beat this year to achieve our goals. I think we are well behind all of them in threats to catch the ball until we have a solid #2 option. 

 

I agree. The Bills need something in addition. Unfortunately, they had invested already in the WR room before Hopkins was made an option. I would suspect that after talking to Hopkins (which the Bills reportedly did) and Arizona about compensation the investment wasn't worth it, so Beane went to plan B and invested a 1st round pick in a pass catcher. After investing so much in cap and draft assets I can understand not wanting to invest highly at that point. 

 

Now, while we need something else in addition to Diggs, nothing says it has to come all from 1 player. The NFL is a matchup league. It's up to Dorsey now to find where the mismatch is every week and attack that. We can run 12 (well, 11.5) personal. We have speed. We have runners that can run between the tackles and runners with speed that can bounce outside as well as catch passes. And soooo many more options. Not to mention we have Allen.  If we have a different guy to step into that "2nd guy" role every week...so be it. This season is, IMO just as important for Dorsey to find ways to exploit these matchups and use these guys as it is on these guys stepping up and into a role.

 

And if all the new options don't click for whatever reason I wouldn't rule out a deadline trade for a WR as we have a lot of draft capital next year. The sky really isn't falling IMO.

[Irv]

29 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said:

To be fair, and I’m making an assumption here, you don’t already have millions that you are sitting on. It’s incredibly easy for someone like us to take the money because comparatively speaking we don’t have all that much. 
 

Now if I was 30 years old and nearing the twilight of my career, who already made over $45m in the NFL alone, I might consider taking a little less for a year or two so I could say I was a world champion.

 

25 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

He and his family had already collected 57 million form the Cardinals. 

 

 

Diggs was not a star  after the bye.  And for his career in playoff closeout games, he's a ghost. So yeah, someone else will need to step up.

 

I get it.  I'd still take the money.  If I didn't need the dough, I could help someone with it, who does.  

[Fleezoid]

I thought we hit the point where this thread dies.  We're running out of time. Only about 9 days to talk Cooper Kupp rumors. 

[BuffaloBillyG]

15 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

It's not about drama....the guy is a biggest game no show, going back to Minnesota.

I believe there are some people in New Orleans that would dispute that sentiment...

[BillsfaninSB]

I’m sure it was said earlier but at least he didn’t go to the Chiefs, Bengals or AFCE.

 

Maybe he can help the Titans beat some teams that are a danger like the Jags. 

[Fleezoid]

5 minutes ago, BillsfaninSB said:

I’m sure it was said earlier but at least he didn’t go to the Chiefs, Bengals or AFCE.

 

Maybe he can help the Titans beat some teams that are a danger like the Jags. 

 

Lets hope he catches game-winning TDs against Miami, Cinci and the Jags. Little nuggets that will help the Bills.

 

And man the Titans have an easy schedule. It's the AFC South, there is that. But they also play the NFC South and the Browns and Steelers from the AFC. You could argue the Steelers and Browns could have good seasons, but my gut says not so much. 

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

I here you. I'm a big Diggs fan for many reasons. I love the way he competes and certainly has been really good for the Bills. 

 

Yes, he hasn't produced cone playoff time. I think that's more on the Bills game planning, schemes, lack of WR weapons, and teams flat out doubling and taking Diggs out of the game. Sure blame some has to fall ob Diggs without a doubt. 

 

I'm just wondering what changes this year; so Diggs can be a weapon come playoff time? Another no show is unacceptable.  

That's a little harsh though. The guy falls somewhere in the vicinity of the top 10 WRs in the league. 

 

I'm commenting on his biggest game of the season performances.  It's a pattern spanning 2 teams/coaching staffs/roster. 

 

 

1 hour ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I believe there are some people in New Orleans that would dispute that sentiment...

 

 

Let them, the numbers tell the story.

 

 

1 hour ago, Irv said:

 

 

I get it.  I'd still take the money.  If I didn't need the dough, I could help someone with it, who does.  

 

 

He could have done that as well.  

Edited July 17, 2023 by Mr. WEO

[newcam2012]

3 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I'm commenting on his biggest game of the season performances.  It's a pattern spanning 2 teams/coaching staffs/roster. 

 

 

 

 

Let them, the numbers tell the story.

 

 

 

 

He could have done that as well.  

I can't argue the facts they are what they are. He has been largely a no show come playoff time. You aren't wrong here. 

 

It kind of goes back to what are your expectations of players and the team. More specifically, the Bills team has been outstanding in the regular season, winning their division, making multiple playoff appearances, and advancing in the playoffs. Many many fans are thrilled with these results. View this as success. Advancing further is just more entertainment. 

 

Fast forward that same theme to  Diggs. It's pretty applicable. 

 

Matter of how you see things. 

[4merper4mer]

9 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

 

 

 

 

Let them, the numbers tell the story.

 

 

 

 

  

6 is a number.  It’s the number of points the Vikings were awarded for Diggs last second TD against the Saints.  The story it tells is that the game had a different winner because of it.