BADOLBILZ Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 41 minutes ago, Rico said: If we don’t make this trade, we can always bring Sammy back, he doesn’t have a team right now. Many on this board thought he was much better than DHop back in the day. At Clemson, where the game was really just a physical battle, he was. Watkins was.......at the time........the greatest true freshman WR in NCAA history........and that made sophomore DHop WR2 at Clemson that year. As a professional........intelligence comes much more into play though. DHop played it right. I'm convinced he got himself on a great PED program early and worked smart and hard to get to the top. Sammy basically did everything wrong and wasted what should have been a great career. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 I'm really torn here as a 2nd or 3rd round pick in the draft may just turn out great. My thoughts go back to the end of the 2021 season as I watched Allen rip that Patriot's defense apart when he had time in the pocket. The end of the 2022 season when he didn't have time in the pocket against the Bengals with their not-so-great pass rush. (21st) The Chiefs were in their SB against the Bucs as they had Mahomes running around like a chicken with its head cut off versus this past SB against the fearsome Eagles defense (#1 pass rush win rate) that didn't get one sack on Mahomes because of a rebuilt KC offensive line. Build that freaking Buffalo O line into a top 5 unit and they might just find that the current receivers and RBs are good enough. If anything I'd be more inclined to trade a #2 pick with the Chargers for RB Austin Ekeler, 915 yards rushing and 722 yards receiving, 1637 total yards, and 18 TDs. A player like this might keep Josh Allen in the pocket. I'm really hoping that this year the Bills finally invest a bunch of picks into the O line in the draft as it looks like just a bunch of jags in free agency. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 6 hours ago, Herb Nightly said: Again I have to ask...how would the Bills PAY Hopkins? That question was already answered... he would be paid with herb nightly. Honestly though, AZ would have to pick up some of the money and the Bills would have to re-structure because I doubt Hopkins would want to play under the terms of his current contract. That's why he wants out in the first place, no? If a trade happens between Arizona and the Bills I highly doubt it will involve a 2nd round pick. More likely a 4th rounder IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills_inthe6 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 Only if we trade down and grab and extra 2nd .. give them the lowest 2nd .. get DH on a friendly contract .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nester Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 I voted no due to the contract, If some was paid for or restructured i wager i would amend my vote to Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GerstAusGosheim Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 But... But... But if we trade our 2nd rounder, we won't be able to pick another average rotational DE. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 2nd rounder?? See if they'd take our 2nd rounder from last season. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said: That question was already answered... he would be paid with herb nightly. Honestly though, AZ would have to pick up some of the money and the Bills would have to re-structure because I doubt Hopkins would want to play under the terms of his current contract. That's why he wants out in the first place, no? If a trade happens between Arizona and the Bills I highly doubt it will involve a 2nd round pick. More likely a 4th rounder IMO. A 4th? You don't think he could start here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 If they can make his contract fit, in a heartbeat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 6 hours ago, gonzo1105 said: I think the 27 for 34 and Hopkins makes sense from a value standpoint. The trade chart says Hopkins would be a 3rd rounder in that scenario which sounds about right Move seen this trade idea floated before (Locked on Bills I think). It’s a good one. It allows AZ to save face (We moved up for a 1st round pick!). The reality is that while the JJ trade chart shows the Bills giving up the equivalent of a third, the quality of prospects available at 27 and 34 in this draft will be very similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 (edited) 17 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Move seen this trade idea floated before (Locked on Bills I think). It’s a good one. It allows AZ to save face (We moved up for a 1st round pick!). The reality is that while the JJ trade chart shows the Bills giving up the equivalent of a third, the quality of prospects available at 27 and 34 in this draft will be very similar. Then at 34, select Hyatt and suddenly you have 2 WR1's, a very good WR3 in Davis and a lethal deep speed rookie. That 4WR set would create A LOT of problems Imagine stacking Diggs & Hopkins to one side...then throwing deep to the other side where Hyatt beat the CB and the S was caught watching Diggs and Hopkins Edited April 24, 2023 by Warriorspikes51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Sierra Foothills said: Honestly though, AZ would have to pick up some of the money and the Bills would have to re-structure because I doubt Hopkins would want to play under the terms of his current contract. That's why he wants out in the first place, no? If a trade happens between Arizona and the Bills I highly doubt it will involve a 2nd round pick. More likely a 4th rounder IMO. I thought at one point DHop said he didn't want a raise. I took it to mean that he would accept a trade if the team picked up the remaining $34M in his contract the next two years. I doubt AZ wants to pick up much more on DHop's contract since it looks like the primary motivation to move him is a salary dump as they slightly rebuild. $34M for two years of DHop is a good deal. Look at Spotrac AAV's for WRs - C Kirk $18M, M Williams $20M, DJ Moore $20M, T McLaurin $23M, C Godwin $20M, T Lockett $17M, D Johnson $18M, H Renfrow $16M, and OBJ just hobbled into $15M. And if you restructure into additional years and add some guarantees, a signing bonus, you can play around with the cap hit a bit. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 55 minutes ago, 1onemangang7 said: 2nd rounder?? See if they'd take our 2nd rounder from last season. Hey, if Bijan Robinson fell to us at 27 I’d be fine Trading James Cook straight up for DeAndre Hopkins and then eating some of his contract…Man our offense would be sick. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, NeverOutNick said: Hey, if Bijan Robinson fell to us at 27 I’d be fine Trading James Cook straight up for DeAndre Hopkins and then eating some of his contract…Man our offense would be sick. Or keep Cook and you have the best backfield in the NFL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 2 hours ago, Sierra Foothills said: That question was already answered... he would be paid with herb nightly. Honestly though, AZ would have to pick up some of the money and the Bills would have to re-structure because I doubt Hopkins would want to play under the terms of his current contract. That's why he wants out in the first place, no? If a trade happens between Arizona and the Bills I highly doubt it will involve a 2nd round pick. More likely a 4th rounder IMO. 57 minutes ago, 1onemangang7 said: A 4th? You don't think he could start here? I don't understand your question. Do I think Hopkins could start here? Yes. Do I think it would be necessary for the Bills to trade away a 2nd rounder to get him? No. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1onemangang7 Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 8 minutes ago, Sierra Foothills said: I don't understand your question. Do I think Hopkins could start here? Yes. Do I think it would be necessary for the Bills to trade away a 2nd rounder to get him? No. You know damn well it won't get done with a 4th Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 No question, still one of the top WRs in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 3 hours ago, GerstAusGosheim said: But... But... But if we trade our 2nd rounder, we won't be able to pick another average rotational DE. Average is being nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 1 hour ago, 1onemangang7 said: You know damn well it won't get done with a 4th Actually I don't know that. And I'm not in the habit of posting something that I don't believe in which means that I believe a 4th would be likely compensation. And as always, if I'm wrong I'll be the first to admit it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 On 4/23/2023 at 4:17 PM, HurlyBurly51 said: I think this belongs in another thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 24, 2023 Share Posted April 24, 2023 1 hour ago, NeverOutNick said: Hey, if Bijan Robinson fell to us at 27 I’d be fine Trading James Cook straight up for DeAndre Hopkins and then eating some of his contract…Man our offense would be sick. Oh gawd the Cardinals are not likely to ake that and eat a penny of salary. RB's depreciate 3 rounds the moment you drive them off the lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 (edited) 20 hours ago, TheBrownBear said: Sorry, I thought we were all familiar with the "wrong side" idiom. It means you've officially reached that age (in Hopkins' case - 30 years of age). When it comes to sports like football and basketball, players tend to decline as they age into their 30s. He's still playing at a high level though. AZ was a dumpster fire and he was suspended I believe 6 games and missed another due to an injury. With Kyler Murray and back ups throwing to him....he had 64 catches and 717 yards receiving. With Allen throwing to him...he's going to be a 90 reception/6 TD/1,000 yard WR. Edited April 25, 2023 by Royale with Cheese 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colin Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 i voted no, but i think this thread convinced me to say yes. i really would rather a 4 and 5 or a 3rd, but if push came to shove and zona picked up a chunk of his pay, i'd do it for a second. if we can get any better play out of OG/OT (new signings and maybe a pick or a healthy brown would help a lot) cook diggs hopkins knox and anyone else is death sentence to the D w allen throwing the ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkyMannn Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 19 hours ago, GerstAusGosheim said: But... But... But if we trade our 2nd rounder, we won't be able to pick another average rotational DE. Go back to 2019, Cody Ford☹️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted April 25, 2023 Share Posted April 25, 2023 Look historically at the Bills second round picks. Pick #59 in a draft our own GM has said is weak, for a top shelf WR, albeit on the back 9? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted April 26, 2023 Share Posted April 26, 2023 On 4/24/2023 at 6:16 AM, Herb Nightly said: Again I have to ask...how would the Bills PAY Hopkins? I don't know, but they need to find way. They have to go for it. I've been watching for 40 years, and I'm sick of always coming in second place. I'm. at the point I would gladly take 10 losing season for one superbowl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 On 4/23/2023 at 3:00 PM, mannc said: He’s about to be cut. He’s not even worth a fourth round pick. bump 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 Noone did it because they called Arizona's bluff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 Looks like he could have been had for a 7th… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 12 minutes ago, PetermansRedemption said: Looks like he could have been had for a 7th… Looks like a fifth...of Dimple Pinch. 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted May 26, 2023 Share Posted May 26, 2023 On 4/25/2023 at 10:35 PM, clearwater cadet said: I don't know, but they need to find way. They have to go for it. I've been watching for 40 years, and I'm sick of always coming in second place. I'm. at the point I would gladly take 10 losing season for one superbowl. Rather have multiple SBs over a decade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 5 hours ago, JerseyBills said: Rather have multiple SBs over a decade genius 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkirk Donski Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 Twice on Sunday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 I heard (from the voices in my head) that McDermott is in discussions to have Dhop join the Bills and convert to CB. Could this be true? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 The takes in this thread 🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunkirk Donski Posted May 27, 2023 Share Posted May 27, 2023 3 minutes ago, QCity said: The takes in this thread 🤡 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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