Bernard vs Dodson: Tale of the Tape

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I think there is a very good chance the plan has been for either Dodson or Bernard to replace Edmunds since at least this time last year. That writing seemed to be on the wall after Bills extended Matt Milano, drafted Terrel Bernard in the 3rd round last year, then signed Milano to another extension. Dodson was Edmunds primary backup and filled in for Edmunds when he missed 3 games in 2022, Bills winning all 3 games. 
 

Dodson will be 25, is in his 4th season, and was the primary backup LB last year. The former UDFA recorded 32 tackles last year, a sack, and a TFL. He played 220 snaps on defense and 276 snaps on special teams. He was targeted in the passing game 14 times giving up 12 catches (85%) for 130 yards (10.8 YPA) and QB rating of 105. Dodson had 4 missed tackles last year (11%). Dodson is a good athlete with good straight line speed and decent agility. Athletically he compares to Matt Milano pretty well. 

 

Bernard is 24, entering his 2nd season after being a 3rd round pick. Scouting reports called him a small LB who’s size would lead to issues vs the run, but a very smart LB and great in pass coverage. He’s listed at 6’1’’ and his weight has been listed between 218 and 222. He started 1 game last year and played 110 snaps on defense and 254 snaps on special teams. Bernard was targeted 5 times in coverage giving up 4 catches (80%) for 35 yards (8.8 YPA) and an opposing QB rating of 95.8. Bernard did not miss or have a single tackle broken last year. Bernard is a great athlete and is both very fast and agile, like a small Tremaine Edmunds athletically. 
 

This team preaches draft and develop, and we may be seeing a long term developmental succession plan play out. 
 

This summer will be interesting. 

[MJS]

I hope not. Dodson is clearly a backup. Bernard barely played last year and is undersized. If he is the plan, it is a very risky plan. The Bills at least need to bring in a decent veteran to compete.

[TheBeaneBandit]

5 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I think there is a very good chance the plan has been for either Dodson or Bernard to replace Edmunds since at least this time last year. That writing seemed to be on the wall after Bills extended Matt Milano, drafted Terrel Bernard in the 3rd round last year, then signed Milano to another extension. Dodson was Edmunds primary backup and filled in for Edmunds when he missed 3 games in 2022, Bills winning all 3 games. 
 

Dodson will be 25, is in his 4th season, and was the primary backup LB last year. The former UDFA recorded 32 tackles last year, a sack, and a TFL. He played 220 snaps on defense and 276 snaps on special teams. He was targeted in the passing game 14 times giving up 12 catches (85%) for 130 yards (10.8 YPA) and QB rating of 105. Dodson had 4 missed tackles last year (11%). Dodson is a good athlete with good straight line speed and decent agility. Athletically he compares to Matt Milano pretty well. 

 

Bernard is 24, entering his 2nd season after being a 3rd round pick. Scouting reports called him a small LB who’s size would lead to issues vs the run, but a very smart LB and great in pass coverage. He’s listed at 6’1’’ and his weight has been listed between 218 and 222. He started 1 game last year and played 110 snaps on defense and 254 snaps on special teams. Bernard was targeted 5 times in coverage giving up 4 catches (80%) for 35 yards (8.8 YPA) and an opposing QB rating of 95.8. Bernard did not miss or have a single tackle broken last year. Bernard is a great athlete and is both very fast and agile, like a small Tremaine Edmunds athletically. 
 

This team preaches draft and develop, and we may be seeing a long term developmental succession plan play out. 
 

This summer will be interesting. 

I'm not very encouraged by either. We pretty much know Dotson and by the time Bernard put on enough size idk that he'd be fast enough in these modern times.

[In Summary]

4 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Scouting reports called him a small LB who’s size would lead to issues vs the run,

This summer will be interesting. 

If that's the plan, it's yet one more reason why Jones is so important - not to mention a Jones clone for backup.  

[That's No Moon]

7 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I think there is a very good chance the plan has been for either Dodson or Bernard to replace Edmunds since at least this time last year. That writing seemed to be on the wall after Bills extended Matt Milano, drafted Terrel Bernard in the 3rd round last year, then signed Milano to another extension. Dodson was Edmunds primary backup and filled in for Edmunds when he missed 3 games in 2022, Bills winning all 3 games. 
 

Dodson will be 25, is in his 4th season, and was the primary backup LB last year. The former UDFA recorded 32 tackles last year, a sack, and a TFL. He played 220 snaps on defense and 276 snaps on special teams. He was targeted in the passing game 14 times giving up 12 catches (85%) for 130 yards (10.8 YPA) and QB rating of 105. Dodson had 4 missed tackles last year (11%). Dodson is a good athlete with good straight line speed and decent agility. Athletically he compares to Matt Milano pretty well. 

 

Bernard is 24, entering his 2nd season after being a 3rd round pick. Scouting reports called him a small LB who’s size would lead to issues vs the run, but a very smart LB and great in pass coverage. He’s listed at 6’1’’ and his weight has been listed between 218 and 222. He started 1 game last year and played 110 snaps on defense and 254 snaps on special teams. Bernard was targeted 5 times in coverage giving up 4 catches (80%) for 35 yards (8.8 YPA) and an opposing QB rating of 95.8. Bernard did not miss or have a single tackle broken last year. Bernard is a great athlete and is both very fast and agile, like a small Tremaine Edmunds athletically. 
 

This team preaches draft and develop, and we may be seeing a long term developmental succession plan play out. 
 

This summer will be interesting. 

If this is the plan the defense will be hot trash.

[benderbender]

Dodson only does what the coaches ask of him. His size takes away throws. He is also 24 years old.  

[starrymessenger]

2 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

I'm not very encouraged by either. We pretty much know Dotson and by the time Bernard put on enough size idk that he'd be fast enough in these modern times.

He’s slow without the weight (based on what little we saw of him last year). 

[Success]

Either would likely be a pretty big downgrade from Edmunds. But we might not need someone who is at that level. I'm still intrigued by Bernard & some of his intangibles.

 

I tend to doubt that we'll just roll w/ what we have, but if we don't get someone in FA or early in the draft, it won't make me lose any sleep.  There are other areas in need of more attention, imo.

 

[ngbills]

This would not be a good plan. Neither is more than ST or depth. Bernard can be a nickel LB possibly but has not even been good in coverage despite his size. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/terrel-bernard/32004245-5223-6424-136f-901f81674ee9
 

Bernard played exactly like this Scouting Report.

 

“Average backup or special teamer”

 

Round 5

 

He played one game and he looked like a small, converted safety, that doesn’t have elite speed (4.6 verses 4.5).

 

I don’t have much hope for him as a real player. 

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, MJS said:

I hope not. Dodson is clearly a backup. Bernard barely played last year and is undersized. If he is the plan, it is a very risky plan. The Bills at least need to bring in a decent veteran to compete.

Watch the 1st press conference from McDermott on the draft last year. Dave Aranda coached Tre White and Terrel Bernard. McDermott said when Dave Aranda speaks on a player he listens and he trusts what he says.

The Bills reached a bit for Bernard. Likely due to Aranda. I wouldn’t be shocked if they believe Bernard can start for them.

[Nephilim17]

18 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Bernard is a great athlete and is both very fast and agile,

I've heard he has great intangibles but his measurables do not indicate a "great athlete."

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Terrel-Bernard-LB-Baylor

[boyst]

Neither are suited for MLB in this defense.  We pigeon holed ourself with a specific type of defense that needs two very instinctive safeties, two very robust dynamic linebackers, and 2 corners who can effectively play 3rds in zone defense. 

 

Everyone praises our defense for how effective it is but it is largely ineffective at adapting or changing. It's designed not to be, however because it is well designed.

 

The downfall of this is that it needs the perfect type of players to execute it. A bobby wagoner is our only option at this point to not take a major step backwards. 

[freddyjj]

1 minute ago, Nephilim17 said:

I've heard he has great intangibles but his measurables do not indicate a "great athlete."

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Terrel-Bernard-LB-Baylor

size not so much, everything else is pretty good on his RAS

 

[947]

I thought Bernard had promise, but then I saw the 1 game he started. He was so bad that didn't look like he belonged on an NFL field, I don't think he played another snap all year after that. Aside from the fumble return TD in preseason, I didn't see any of the speed that was talked about. He looked no faster than AJ Klein in coverage, and he appeared to be about the same size as James Cook. He needs another 10-20lbs, hopefully that's what he's working on.

 

I'm still hopeful for him in the future, but there's no way McBeane trust him to be a regular this year.

 

[MJS]

6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Watch the 1st press conference from McDermott on the draft last year. Dave Aranda coached Tre White and Terrel Bernard. McDermott said when Dave Aranda speaks on a player he listens and he trusts what he says.

The Bills reached a bit for Bernard. Likely due to Aranda. I wouldn’t be shocked if they believe Bernard can start for them.

They said some nice things about him after they drafted him. That's what coaches do.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, boyst said:

Neither are suited for MLB in this defense.  We pigeon holed ourself with a specific type of defense that needs two very instinctive safeties, two very robust dynamic linebackers, and 2 corners who can effectively play 3rds in zone defense. 

 

Everyone praises our defense for how effective it is but it is largely ineffective at adapting or changing. It's designed not to be, however because it is well designed.

 

The downfall of this is that it needs the perfect type of players to execute it. A bobby wagoner is our only option at this point to not take a major step backwards. 

What?

[boyst]

Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said:

What?

What what

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

They said some nice things about him after they drafted him. That's what coaches do.

McDermott didn’t say nice things about Bernard is my point. He said when his coach speaks he listens and trusts him.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

No one is open to the idea that maybe with a full year of proper training/diet/strength coach/film study Bernard May actually develop into what McDermott saw in him? The coach that turned another 220 pound former safety into an All-Pro?
 

Players tend to develop and grow. 

[Beck Water]

51 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I think there is a very good chance the plan has been for either Dodson or Bernard to replace Edmunds since at least this time last year. That writing seemed to be on the wall after Bills extended Matt Milano, drafted Terrel Bernard in the 3rd round last year, then signed Milano to another extension. Dodson was Edmunds primary backup and filled in for Edmunds when he missed 3 games in 2022, Bills winning all 3 games. 
 

Dodson will be 25, is in his 4th season, and was the primary backup LB last year. The former UDFA recorded 32 tackles last year, a sack, and a TFL. He played 220 snaps on defense and 276 snaps on special teams. He was targeted in the passing game 14 times giving up 12 catches (85%) for 130 yards (10.8 YPA) and QB rating of 105. Dodson had 4 missed tackles last year (11%). Dodson is a good athlete with good straight line speed and decent agility. Athletically he compares to Matt Milano pretty well. 

 

Bernard is 24, entering his 2nd season after being a 3rd round pick. Scouting reports called him a small LB who’s size would lead to issues vs the run, but a very smart LB and great in pass coverage. He’s listed at 6’1’’ and his weight has been listed between 218 and 222. He started 1 game last year and played 110 snaps on defense and 254 snaps on special teams. Bernard was targeted 5 times in coverage giving up 4 catches (80%) for 35 yards (8.8 YPA) and an opposing QB rating of 95.8. Bernard did not miss or have a single tackle broken last year. Bernard is a great athlete and is both very fast and agile, like a small Tremaine Edmunds athletically. 
 

This team preaches draft and develop, and we may be seeing a long term developmental succession plan play out. 
 

This summer will be interesting. 

 

I thought it was pretty telling that the team started Dodson in place of Edmunds earlier in the season vs. Pitts, brought him in when Edmunds got hurt vs Minn and 100% vs Cleveland, and liked that so much they promptly went out and signed the aging AJ Klein when he became available, then had him play after 1 week to re-acclimate to the system when Edmunds was still out vs. Detroit.  

 

In other words, if "who will replace Edmunds?" is the question, I don't think the Bills actions in 2022 say that they view Dodson as the answer.

 

Terrel Bernard, OTOH, was not asked to replace Edmunds.  He replaced Milano when he was out vs. the Jets, and lets just say ...it did NOT go well.  That's not to say an off-season of NFL type strength training and conditioning won't help, or that maybe?? it would go better if he were trying to replace Edmunds and not Milano but let me just say - from what we saw when he tried to replace Milano against the Jets -

 

If "Plan B" (for Bernard) is the Bills plan to replace Edmunds,  then I think it's a Bad Plan and they'd better quickly develop Plan A and plan C.

Edited March 16, 2023 by Beck Water

[RussellDopeland]

"I think there is a very good chance the plan has been for either Dodson or Bernard to replace Edmunds"

[BuffaloBill]

22 minutes ago, boyst said:

What what

Just, what?

[Magox]

37 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

size not so much, everything else is pretty good on his RAS

 

 

For those saying his speed is inadequate, they're wrong.  I remember reading his scouting report after the combine, he is explosive and very fast on the 10 and 20 yard splits which is the world he'd be living in as a LB much more so than the 40, which is still well above average.

[BillMafia716ix]

They need a vet playing middle. Mad we missed out Lavonte David. They don’t seem to be interested in Bobby Wagner either. If the options are Bernard or Dodson that’s a significant downgrade

[MrEpsYtown]

 

[Brand J]

Bernard probably looked slower than he timed because he wasn’t fully sure what he was doing. If he has a firm grasp of the playbook and can play without thinking, I think you’d see that athleticism start to pop on the screen.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:

They need a vet playing middle. Mad we missed out Lavonte David. They don’t seem to be interested in Bobby Wagner either. If the options are Bernard or Dodson that’s a significant downgrade

I’m not particularly worried about it. It’s literally the only hole on the roster. Plenty of time to fill it. If they have to there’s always the draft.

[The Firebaugh Kid]

“With their second round pick, the Buffalo Bills select Jack Campbell, linebacker Iowa”.

[MrEpsYtown]

8 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

“With their second round pick, the Buffalo Bills select Jack Campbell, linebacker Iowa”.

I don’t think him or Simpson get there. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

16 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

Bernard probably looked slower than he timed because he wasn’t fully sure what he was doing. If he has a firm grasp of the playbook and can play without thinking, I think you’d see that athleticism start to pop on the screen.

I’m not surprised that over all consensus is that he’s garbage based off one start, I was definitely hoping for more optimism for his potential though. 

[947]

12 minutes ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

“With their second round pick, the Buffalo Bills select Jack Campbell, linebacker Iowa”.

I like it, but they'd have to trade down out of the 1st round to do it. Campbell isn't making it to pick #59. We'd need to get in the first 10 picks of the 2nd.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I’m less enthusiastic about Dodson’s starting potential as a long term starter, but he has made progress every year and has emerged as a core special teamer. 

[Big74Mac]

If the Bills have to start Dodson they are screwed. He is a backup at best. The guy to replace T. E. is not on the roster currently.

[PBF81]

19 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

It’s literally the only hole on the roster. Plenty of time to fill it. If they have to there’s always the draft.

 

Well, I suppose that depends upon how one defines "hole."   Seems to me that we have quite a few needs.  

 

Our OL needs upgrading.  Right now we have no proven ball-carrier that's ever had more than 90 carries/season if Singletary leaves.  The most that Cook had in college is 113.  Hines has never been an NFL rusher other than role-play.  We need a WR.  An upgrade at TE isn't unreasonable.  At present we have one LB on the entire roster that's proven to be starting caliber, so that's two holes unless we continue with only 2 LBs, which is risky if one gets hurt.  

 

Our DL can use a decent pass-rusher and some impact players.  There currently isn't a single DL draft pick by Beane that has done anything even worth mentioning in the playoffs.  That's a "hole" from where I sit.  And unless White can become something close to what he was at CB, or Elam really steps up, we can certainly use a decent CB.  It's great that we got Poyer back, but what about Hyde, what's his status going to be?  He going to be 100%?  Hamlin's gone, Marlowe, meh.  

 

Just sayin' ... 

 

[Simon Says]

Keep in mind Edmunds was rather unique.  A 'middle " linebacker in a 2 LB set. Had to do it all and was a huge , athletic guy.

[John from Riverside]

Bernard is better off in the Milano roll

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 minute ago, John from Riverside said:

Bernard is better off in the Milano roll

It is definitely possible the the guy who replaces Edmunds in the lineup is actually Milano. 

[mjt328]

This is why people criticize Sean McDermott for "babying" rookies.

If the plan was for Terrel Bernard to take over for Tremaine Edmunds this year, then why did he barely play last year?  

 

How is Brandon Beane supposed to make intelligent decisions about the roster, when nobody has any idea if the guy he drafted last year is any good?

[PBF81]

18 minutes ago, 947 said:

I like it, but they'd have to trade down out of the 1st round to do it. Campbell isn't making it to pick #59. We'd need to get in the first 10 picks of the 2nd.

 

We should have drafted Nakobe Dean last year instead of Cook, or traded up into the early 3rd to get him.  But if Campbell's that good, then why not take him with our 27th.  Fills an enormous hole.