IF the Bills did trade down, Who would you like?

[Victory Formation]

I know everybody loves Bijan Robinson, but what if he was gone and there were no good OL or WRs available and somebody offered Buffalo a 2nd + a 3rd for pick #27, who would you take? 

[BringBackFergy]

??? Take “where”? If Chicago gave us their 2nd round pick vs KC giving us their 2nd rounder. 

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3 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

??? Take “where”? If Chicago gave us their 2nd round pick vs KC giving us their 2nd rounder. 

I don’t know, let’s split the baby down the middle and let’s say it’s a mid 2nd and a mid 3rd round pick and Buffalo still has their 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th and 6th round picks on top of it.

I’m sorry that I was a bit too vague in the OP, I didn’t want to superimpose my thoughts on everyone else, I genuinely wanted to hear everyone else’s opinion on who they would take.

We have a thread on Buffalo staying put at 27 and Buffalo drafting a defensive player at 27 and Buffalo drafting an offensive player at 27, I thought we needed a Trade Down Thread as well.

[78thealltimegreat]

The middle of second? You’re probably talking Jack Campbell and Cedric Tillman territory and if it’s oline thats Steve Avillas likely area 

[BringBackFergy]

If it was top end of 2nd, best G/Center and then use some of the draft capital to move back up and grab best (fast) WR available. 

[whorlnut]

John Michael Schmitz or Darnell Wright if OL. If they go offensive weapon then I want Jayden Reed or Dalton Kincaid. 

[John from Riverside]

5 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

The middle of second? You’re probably talking Jack Campbell and Cedric Tillman territory and if it’s oline thats Steve Avillas likely area 

Which would be fine with me. All of those players are going to be starters in the NFL.

3 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

John Michael Schmitz or Darnell Wright if OL. If they go offensive weapon then I want Jayden Reed or Dalton Kincaid. 

Smiz he’s going to be a stud for whatever team gets him that is a plug and play guard or center

[whorlnut]

Beane has to do right by Allen this off-season and put premium assets into the offense. Plug defensive holes in FA and mid to late round picks. He’s created this situation and now it’s time to fix it. 

[John from Riverside]

7 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Beane has to do right by Allen this off-season and put premium assets into the offense. Plug defensive holes in FA and mid to late round picks. He’s created this situation and now it’s time to fix it. 

And they should
 

But what do you do if they go out and they actually bring in a heavily priced free agent guard

 

That’s why this conversation is difficult without knowing what they do in free agency

 

Next year’s line probably looks like

Dawkins

Bates

Morse

Free agent or draft pick

Spencer Brown

 

They should draft another guard, and they should draft competition for Spencer Brown at right tackle

[TheBeaneBandit]

4 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

And they should
 

But what do you do if they go out and they actually bring in a heavily priced free agent guard

 

That’s why this conversation is difficult without knowing what they do in free agency

 

Next year’s line probably looks like

Dawkins

Bates

Morse

Free agent or draft pick

Spencer Brown

 

They should draft another guard, and they should draft competition for Spencer Brown at right tackle

I'll add (and another poster mentioned this so not taking credit) maybe trade for Shaq Mason from the Bucs (they need cap space) and even extend his deal another year or two. But like you said we're all just throwing darts in the dark until free agency shapes things up a bit.

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16 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Beane has to do right by Allen this off-season and put premium assets into the offense. Plug defensive holes in FA and mid to late round picks. He’s created this situation and now it’s time to fix it. 

Will Beane be active at the start of FA? Or will he wait 3-4 weeks for leftovers?

[whorlnut]

2 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

Will Beane be active at the start of FA? Or will he wait 3-4 weeks for leftovers?

My hope is he flips the script and does for the defense what he has done for the offense the past couple years. Wait it out and get some bargain vets on prove it deals. Then dump premium picks and signings into the offense. Enough with these high priced d FAs and day 1 picks. Our d is good enough, which is all we need. 

[TheBeaneBandit]

1 minute ago, Victory Formation said:

Will Beane be active at the start of FA? Or will he wait 3-4 weeks for leftovers?

I think he has to free up some cap space and at least sign 1 absolute upgrade (preferably RG) fairly quickly and land a couple guys who could compete for playing time at other positions. 

[hjnick]

57 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

I know everybody loves Bijan Robinson, but what if he was gone and there were no good OL or WRs available and somebody offered Buffalo a 2nd + a 3rd for pick #27, who would you take? 

 

Well, the draft pick value chart says to get a roughly equal value would be with Atlanta for #44 and 75.  So anything above #44 that for a 2nd and 3rd swap, Buffalo would be making out well with that trade.  

 

Around that area, best Guard, WR, LB or Safety.  I think there is alot of good potential WRs and Oline in this draft.  Let's get 2.  Those 2 positions I wouldn't mind doubling up on.

Edited March 6, 2023 by hjnick

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3 minutes ago, hjnick said:

 

Well, the draft pick value chart says to get a roughly equal value would be with Atlanta for #44 and 75.  So anything above #44 that for a 2nd and 3rd swap, Buffalo would be making out well with that trade.  

 

Around that area, best Guard, WR, LB or Safety.  I think there is alot of good potential WRs and Oline in this draft.  Let's get 2.  Those 2 positions I wouldn't mind doubling up on.

Somebody mentioned Steve Avila and I think if Buffalo could get him in a trade down you could do no wrong. Maybe slot him in at RG and eventually have him take over at C, that would be nice. I suppose I wouldn’t mind Zach Charbonnett also, but I would prefer Avila or Dawand Jones.

[KingBoots8]

Mid 40s roughly would look like this for me:

Offense:

G Steve Avila

C John Michael-Schmitz 

 

 

Defense:

LB Jack Campbell

 

 

in my eyes it’s got to be those 3 unless someone like a good WR falls for some reason. They’re all immediate starters for sure. I don’t think any of them last to 59 so take whomever you think is going to be BPA. At 59 I think you can get a WR like Dell and go from there, or a player like C/G Joe Tippman, so maybe that bumps Campbell up the list because he looks like he could be too good to pass up. 
 

 

 

 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

The middle of second? You’re probably talking Jack Campbell and Cedric Tillman territory and if it’s oline thats Steve Avillas likely area 

If I could get Tillman & Avila sign me up.

[SoCal Deek]

I really don’t care where or when they get them but I’d be thrilled if the Bills selected a couple of young, stud Offensive Guards to anchor the O Line for the duration of Josh’s contract. I’ve said it before, it’s not sexy, but it’ll make everything else so much easier for many years to come. 

[wppete]

11 hours ago, whorlnut said:

John Michael Schmitz or Darnell Wright if OL. If they go offensive weapon then I want Jayden Reed or Dalton Kincaid. 

If we trade down would love to get these two and a WR and LB with two 2nd round and two 3rd round picks…. OT Darnell Wright looked really smooth at the combine for such a massive guy. 

[gonzo1105]

Premium Centers like Schmitz tend to ride up draft boards the closer to the draft or gets. Wouldn’t surprise me if Schmitz goes in the last 10 picks of round 1 esp in a weak draft like this 

[Santana]

I think it's more likely that the Bills move up rather than moving down

[BuffaloRebound]

3 minutes ago, Santana said:

I think it's more likely that the Bills move up rather than moving down

Will certainly be harder finding a trade partner to trade down with.  Not sure who wants to trade up to 27 when there’s supposedly only 15-16 guys with 1st round grades.  

[damj]

13 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

The middle of second? You’re probably talking Jack Campbell and Cedric Tillman territory and if it’s oline thats Steve Avillas likely area 

This is where I am ... mostly interested in additional picks and getting Avillas

 

[Simon Says]

per trade value charts Bills would want somewhere around the 42nd to 46th pick in the second round. Plus a 3rd, or several 4th's

[LABILLBACKER]

3 hours ago, Herb Nightly said:

per trade value charts Bills would want somewhere around the 42nd to 46th pick in the second round. Plus a 3rd, or several 4th's

Good do it. Load up on picks. The 1st round is weak anyway. If I could snag Tillman & Avila in the 2nd round and have an extra 3rd/4th hell yeah.

[The Jokeman]

Honestly without free agency to work off it's too hard to guess what we're targeting in April. Yet as things stand now I'd target the best OG prospect who in the mid 2nd could be Steve Avila or Cody Mauch.

[T master]

21 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

I know everybody loves Bijan Robinson, but what if he was gone and there were no good OL or WRs available and somebody offered Buffalo a 2nd + a 3rd for pick #27, who would you take? 

 

A second & a third i think Beane would take it but the last time we traded down to 27 was the year the Chief's traded with us & they got Mahomes we got Tre but he don't score many points .

 

If Robinson is there at 27 he is just 1 more weapon for teams to worry about & for those that don't believe a running back is worth the pick i would argue that if the Jets would have had Breece Hall last year the Bills wouldn't have won that second game because there are some running backs that are still worth the roster spot .

 

Robinson is suppose to be a "generational talent" not seen since Saquan came out so if you can get a talent like that on a cheap contract for 4 to 5 years than get him, win a Super Bowl & let him go at the end of the cheap contract .

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10 minutes ago, T master said:

 

A second & a third i think Beane would take it but the last time we traded down to 27 was the year the Chief's traded with us & they got Mahomes we got Tre but he don't score many points .

 

If Robinson is there at 27 he is just 1 more weapon for teams to worry about & for those that don't believe a running back is worth the pick i would argue that if the Jets would have had Breece Hall last year the Bills wouldn't have won that second game because there are some running backs that are still worth the roster spot .

 

Robinson is suppose to be a "generational talent" not seen since Saquan came out so if you can get a talent like that on a cheap contract for 4 to 5 years than get him, win a Super Bowl & let him go at the end of the cheap contract .

I don’t think I could pass on Bijan at 27 either, I think he’s probably the best case scenario for Buffalo, but if he’s gone and we trade down and ended up with Zach Charbonnet and a nasty lineman like Steve Avila or Dawand Jones, I don’t think I could complain either.

[NewEra]

Ideally, we could trade down and get Paris Johnson.  That’s my best case scenario. 

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Just now, NewEra said:

Ideally, we could trade down and get Paris Johnson.  That’s my best case scenario. 

What are you nuts? Paris Johnson? That guy is a top 15 pick at the latest, we’re talking about a dominant future LT here. Maybe and I mean maybe we could end up with Broderick Jones, but Paris Johnson? No way.

[NewEra]

3 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

What are you nuts? Paris Johnson? That guy is a top 15 pick at the latest, we’re talking about a dominant future LT here. Maybe and I mean maybe we could end up with Broderick Jones, but Paris Johnson? No way.

Yeah, I realize that.  Not nuts.  Just a jerk every once in awhile. 

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1 minute ago, NewEra said:

Yeah, I realize that.  Not nuts.  Just a jerk every once in awhile. 

Oh, ok, so you’re the jerk and I’m nuts then? With all due respect I’ve only gone nuts one time, I just decided to stay. 😆

[OldTimer1960]

26 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Ideally, we could trade down and get Paris Johnson.  That’s my best case scenario. 

Trade down and get Paris Johnson?  I expect he will be gone long before the Bills’ pick at 27.  How would trading back into round 2 allow us to get Johnson?  If you meant trade up for Johnson, then that is likely to cost the Bills’ 1st and 2nd - if we are lucky.

[John from Riverside]

10 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Will certainly be harder finding a trade partner to trade down with.  Not sure who wants to trade up to 27 when there’s supposedly only 15-16 guys with 1st round grades.  

This is a good point

Which is why I think we may end up taking a guy in the first round that has a second round grade

 

I think they still might chance it, though we only have like six picks in the draft and a lot of players coming up on new deal

 

This is going to be an important draft for Brandon beane

[Chaos]

10 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

Premium Centers like Schmitz tend to ride up draft boards the closer to the draft or gets. Wouldn’t surprise me if Schmitz goes in the last 10 picks of round 1 esp in a weak draft like this 

He seems to have tumbled down post combine big boards. PFF dropped him from 52 to 68. Saw him at 76 somewhere else.  Everyone seems to have Tippman and Wypler going before Schmitz now. 

1 hour ago, Victory Formation said:

I don’t think I could pass on Bijan at 27 either, I think he’s probably the best case scenario for Buffalo, but if he’s gone and we trade down and ended up with Zach Charbonnet and a nasty lineman like Steve Avila or Dawand Jones, I don’t think I could complain either.

If we are fantasizing I would rather get Avila and Dawand Jones and pass on Charbonnet. 

[Victory Formation]

4 minutes ago, Chaos said:

If we are fantasizing I would rather get Avila and Dawand Jones and pass on Charbonnet

Yeah, dude, Avila and Dawand Jones would be nuts. Talk about adding some serious beef to that OL.

 

Charbonnet will be a very good bell cow RB in the NFL though, he’s a very nice prospect.

[NewEra]

2 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

Oh, ok, so you’re the jerk and I’m nuts then? With all due respect I’ve only gone nuts one time, I just decided to stay. 😆

🍻 bro!

2 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Trade down and get Paris Johnson?  I expect he will be gone long before the Bills’ pick at 27.  How would trading back into round 2 allow us to get Johnson?  If you meant trade up for Johnson, then that is likely to cost the Bills’ 1st and 2nd - if we are lucky.

I know Bud.  I was just spewing nonsense

[OldTimer1960]

5 hours ago, NewEra said:

🍻 bro!

I know Bud.  I was just spewing nonsense

Got it, I didn’t immediately get the joke.  Sorry about that!

[Kirby Jackson]

On 3/5/2023 at 8:34 PM, Victory Formation said:

I know everybody loves Bijan Robinson, but what if he was gone and there were no good OL or WRs available and somebody offered Buffalo a 2nd + a 3rd for pick #27, who would you take? 

For some context, the draft value chart would say that Atlanta at 44 & 75 is roughly the equal value to 27. That would leave the Bills with 44, 59, 75, & 91 in the top 100. 

[GunnerBill]

29 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

For some context, the draft value chart would say that Atlanta at 44 & 75 is roughly the equal value to 27. That would leave the Bills with 44, 59, 75, & 91 in the top 100. 

 

While I think I do favour the trade down it is really only from the "more tickets in the raffle" perspective, rather than because I think this is a draft where there is loads of depth. There isn't a big gap likely between who you'd get at #27 and #44 so you are not giving much up and you are buying a 4th lottery ticket.