Stadium Renderings Part 2

[SirusB]

2 hours ago, McDeerInTheHeadlights said:

Terry is a wise business man and this is the cheapest bandaid he could buy.

 

 

I totally agree with this. I've been feeling like this has been planned as a stadium-on-a-budget from the beginning. Especially with the early sentiment seemingly being so dismissive of even debating having a roof or a dome. And, with the patronizing "A roofless stadium represents Buffalo" bravado or whatever heartstrings they were trying to pull. In pro-wrestling terms, "a cheap pop". It honestly gives me an unsettling feeling about the future of the team in the area.

 

Another benefit to having a dome that people may hastily discount is its attractiveness to free agents. With Poyer's recent comments, I think more people should realize that the Bills should do whatever they can to make Buffalo as attractive a destination as possible. As time goes on, and potentially more and more teams get domed stadiums, free agents and potential draft picks will have even less reason to be excited to be a Bill. Yeah, you cant change the weather, and good luck changing those taxes, but the workplace conditions are one thing they could've improved. It would increase comfort and player performance.

 

I'm not a local, so I'm not trying to "spend other peoples' money" or anything, but it seems like somebody is holding back on making the new stadium something "special" (even with just the money they've already budgeted for). They're just trying to make it "good enough". Needless to say, I'm disappointed.

[PromoTheRobot]

12 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

For the older generation this stadium works just fine. The problem is if they want to get the 40 and under generation to go to games you need it to be on the level of those stadiums.  It's already a hard sell for fans in December and January games. The Bengals game should never had that many Bengals fans in attendance. 

 

You have it completely backwards. It's the over 40 crowd that can't deal with freezing at games, or want to spend Sunday mornings drinking themselves into a stupor.

12 hours ago, BillsFan2313 said:

 

I honselty think we have to wait on more details within the stadium. One thing that was noted, is that the game experience in the stadium is going to be much better. Radiant heating, like the club seats have will also be throughout the stadiums. I don't really care how it looks from the outside (although I dont think it looks terrible). IMO, it is all about the experience inside. 

 

I don't think that's the plan at all. Look at the pictures. The red glow of the "fry lamps" are only in the club seats 

12 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

I wish that were true, but I read that radiant heating will still only be in the VIP areas.

Exactly. Where can you install radiant heat if there is nothing above you?

[PromoTheRobot]

12 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

Yes they are just fine but they were also built well before these new wave of stadiums.  Personally I would rather they built something similar to what Nashville is building. Winning only takes you so far. 

 

December and January games have been a hard sell even when they are winning. Since a dome isn't happening then hopefully the amenities are majorly updated. I'm talking having all the micro breweries having a vendor in the stadium, a bar/ restaurant in one of the corners over looking the field. I would love if they took a page from Progressive field and have an area for kids and families to hangout. 

 

US Bank Stadium in Minneapolis is the perfect stadium IMO. Glass roof lets light in, massive walls open to allow the breeze in. And it cost $1.2B even though it was built in downtown Minneapolis! There are no land acquisition costs with our stadium but it's going to cost $1.4B??? For open air???

[ProcessTruster]

10 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

US Bank Stadium in Minneapolis is the perfect stadium IMO. Glass roof lets light in, massive walls open to allow the breeze in. And it cost $1.2B even though it was built in downtown Minneapolis! There are no land acquisition costs with our stadium but it's going to cost $1.4B??? For open air???

Yeah i don't get it.   WNY is screaming for the Vikes stadium design.  Whatever.   I was happy with continuing to fix up the ralph.   for $1.5B+, Half the home games will still be freezing cold at night, especially playoff games.   Crazy.   

 

Who knows what people are doing on this anymore.   Why bother with a new stadium if it is still exposed to truly sh-tty weather for half the season.  

[BADOLBILZ]

13 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

It’s of course just personal opinion but here are a few of the newest NFL stadiums:

 

 

 

 

 

And then here is the Bills new stadium:

 

 

It looks generic. Boring. Unappealing. Nothing screams “Buffalo” to me. There are no unique features that stand out and make people instantly say “oh that’s the Bills stadium”. Looking from the outside I can’t tell if it’s an airport, a soccer stadium, or a place to watch football.

 

And it looks like it’s old already. More like an early 2000’s stadium. If you were visiting a city you’ve never been and they told you this stadium was built in 2002, would you even question it? Probably not. It looks like a generic 2002 stadium. Like someone out of Madden build-a-stadium.

 

In fact it kinda-sorta looks like a more shapely Metlife stadium, which was built a decade and a half ago and is universally panned by Jets & Giants fans.

 

 

With taxpayers contributing nearly $1B, I am bothered by getting a generic, boring, unappealing stadium.

 

 

 

I was with you until the part about taxpayers kicking in $1B............$800K of that is diverted from casino tax that was won in court.    Not that rich casino owners aren't taxpayers but the taxpayers you mean already spent that money on entertainment.

[The Jokeman]

On 2/26/2023 at 12:31 AM, McDeerInTheHeadlights said:

How can that thing be so expensive?

Construction unions.

[teef]

16 hours ago, Jrb1979 said:

It's going to be a pile of rocks like the original one. 

 

Still for what they spent on it, it should be a lot more impressive. It's very generic but I guess that's to be expected when all fans want is the Bills to stay. 

yes.  that was 100% the most important thing.  the renderings look meh, but at the end of the day, does it really effect your life?  

Edited February 27, 2023 by teef

[Einstein]

40 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I was with you until the part about taxpayers kicking in $1B............$800K of that is diverted from casino tax that was won in court.    Not that rich casino owners aren't taxpayers but the taxpayers you mean already spent that money on entertainment.

Not sure where you saw $800M. It’s actually about half of that. The rest is paid by taxpayers and really it’s all paid by taxpayers because the $400m of casino money was going to go toward other state programs which are now being funded by taxpayers instead. Either way, taxpayers are footing the entirety of the nearly $1B. It’s really just a marketing ploy to make it seem like less.

[BillsFan2313]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

You have it completely backwards. It's the over 40 crowd that can't deal with freezing at games, or want to spend Sunday mornings drinking themselves into a stupor.

 

I don't think that's the plan at all. Look at the pictures. The red glow of the "fry lamps" are only in the club seats 

Exactly. Where can you install radiant heat if there is nothing above you?

 

Overhead heating. Some parts of the stadium – including certain club- and suite-seating areas – will have radiant overhead heating. The stacked design of the stadium’s levels will also serve to retain more of that heat and, combined with the reduction in wind and overhead coverage, keep the facility warmer.

The architects are also working on adding radiant heat “at some of the really cool designated hospitality bar areas on the concourses, in the end zones, at the 50-yard lines,” Radecic said, adding that the stadium will be designed for additional radiant heating units to be added in the future. “Over time, we can always add more,” he said.

[PromoTheRobot]

Just now, BillsFan2313 said:

 

Overhead heating. Some parts of the stadium – including certain club- and suite-seating areas – will have radiant overhead heating. The stacked design of the stadium’s levels will also serve to retain more of that heat and, combined with the reduction in wind and overhead coverage, keep the facility warmer.

The architects are also working on adding radiant heat “at some of the really cool designated hospitality bar areas on the concourses, in the end zones, at the 50-yard lines,” Radecic said, adding that the stadium will be designed for additional radiant heating units to be added in the future. “Over time, we can always add more,” he said.

 

What does it cost to heat the outdoors?

[Billz4ever]

13 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

I wish that were true, but I read that radiant heating will still only be in the VIP areas.

 

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2022/10/27/buffalo-bills-new-stadium-renderings-released-take-a-look/69595800007/

 

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Although the renderings don’t show it, there will be extensive radiant heat inside the stadium to help keep fans warm during cold-weather games.

 

 

I've never heard of someone wanting to build their house with no roof and then wasting the massive amount of energy needed to heat it for it to just radiate right off into the sky.

Edited February 27, 2023 by Billz4ever

[Beast]

The Bills are getting a new stadium. One that is going to be WAY better than what they have now….and fans are whining. LOL

[nucci]

15 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

What does it cost to heat the outdoors?

My Dad used to yell at me as a kid during winter in Buffalo...leaving the door open. What are you doing, heating the outside?

[PromoTheRobot]

1 minute ago, Beast said:

The Bills are getting a new stadium. One that is going to be WAY better than what they have now….and fans are whining. LOL

 

That's open for debate. Newer? Sure. WAY better? To be determined.

[Gregg]

3 minutes ago, Beast said:

The Bills are getting a new stadium. One that is going to be WAY better than what they have now….and fans are whining. LOL

 

Many Jets-Giants fans prefer Giants Stadium over MetLife. MetLife is viewed as a POS by both fanbases. So newer doesn't necessarily mean better. With raised ticket prices and PSL fees many fans will be missing the current stadium.

[Billz4ever]

3 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

That's open for debate. Newer? Sure. WAY better? To be determined.

 

When I fork over the money for a brand new car, I expect more than just updated looks.  

Edited February 27, 2023 by Billz4ever

[nucci]

7 minutes ago, Beast said:

The Bills are getting a new stadium. One that is going to be WAY better than what they have now….and fans are whining. LOL

Because many think it could have been more betterer

[RiotAct]

13 minutes ago, nucci said:

My Dad used to yell at me as a kid during winter in Buffalo...leaving the door open. What are you doing, heating the outside?

it’s not the heat that gets you, it’s the humidity.  :: Clicks grilling tongs twice ::

[JoPoy88]

9 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

 

When I fork over the money for a brand new car, I expect more than just updated looks.  

You think this new building will have nothing in the way of practical upgrades? 

[Einstein]

19 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

 

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2022/10/27/buffalo-bills-new-stadium-renderings-released-take-a-look/69595800007/

 

 

“Overhead heating. Some parts of the stadium – including certain club- and suite-seating areas – will have radiant overhead heating.”

 

It’s just the VIP areas.

[Billz4ever]

8 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

You think this new building will have nothing in the way of practical upgrades? 

 

What, you mean like things that get me to spend more money?

 

If you're still freezing your butt off in the winter and are exposed to the elements, what are taxpayers really paying for here? Nicer areas in the concourses for the Bills/NFL to sell you more overpriced S*&@ you don't need all done at taxpayer expense?

 

9th richest owner in football and somehow he was able to convince Albany they should give him hundreds of millions of dollars from the taxpayers just to buy an updated version of what they already have.

Edited February 27, 2023 by Billz4ever

[JoPoy88]

6 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

 

What, you mean like things that get me to spend more money?

 

If you're still freezing your butt off in the winter and are exposed to the elements, what are taxpayers really paying for here? Nicer areas in the concourses for the Bills/NFL to sell you more overpriced S*&@ you don't need all done at taxpayer expense?

 

9th richest owner in football and somehow he was able to convince Albany they should give him hundreds of millions of dollars from the taxpayers just to buy an updated version of what they already have.

So it’s just about the no roof then. 

[BADOLBILZ]

56 minutes ago, Einstein said:

Not sure where you saw $800M. It’s actually about half of that. The rest is paid by taxpayers and really it’s all paid by taxpayers because the $400m of casino money was going to go toward other state programs which are now being funded by taxpayers instead. Either way, taxpayers are footing the entirety of the nearly $1B. It’s really just a marketing ploy to make it seem like less.

 

 

It works both ways.    It's money that could have been used elsewhere..........but at the same time the funds were contested and won in court.     Just saying it's $1B all coming from taxpayers has the OBVIOUS inference that it's coming directly out of taxpayer's pockets.   Which it is NOT.   It's coming from a general fund and a significant portion of which was sourced from Indian land owned casino profits.

[Billz4ever]

16 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

So it’s just about the no roof then. 

 

Just?  You're talking about practical upgrades and then act like a roof isn't one of those.

Edited February 27, 2023 by Billz4ever

[Beast]

48 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

That's open for debate. Newer? Sure. WAY better? To be determined.

LOL…well, you just keep thinking that.

46 minutes ago, Gregg said:

 

Many Jets-Giants fans prefer Giants Stadium over MetLife. MetLife is viewed as a POS by both fanbases. So newer doesn't necessarily mean better. With raised ticket prices and PSL fees many fans will be missing the current stadium.

The current stadium is a DUMP.

[RocCityRoller]

On 2/26/2023 at 12:31 AM, McDeerInTheHeadlights said:

How can that thing be so expensive?

Minnesota is a solid comparison and an ideal example, IMO. very modern and enclosed. When adjusted for 2022 dollars, the cost was about what the Bills stadium will cost.

 

Indy also did well with Lucas Oil Field, it has a unique throwback look. That cost @1billion adjusted for inflation.

 

The cost of doing business is expensive in NY.

 

Will be interesting what Green Bay, KC and Chicago do as their time comes for new stadiums.

[JoPoy88]

3 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

 

Just?  You're talking about practical upgrades and then act like a roof isn't one of those.

I am acting like not every detail about this place has not been released yet, because they haven’t. We have some artistic renderings and a couple of short blurbs in news coverage.
 

A roof is certainly a practical upgrade, one they decided not to include. What I was asking is does that fact negate all the other potential new practical improvements and convenience features this new building may include? Because it sounds like it does for you. 

[Billz4ever]

1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said:

I am acting like not every detail about this place has not been released yet, because they haven’t. We have some artistic renderings and a couple of short blurbs in news coverage.
 

A roof is certainly a practical upgrade, one they decided not to include. What I was asking is does that fact negate all the other potential new practical improvements and convenience features this new building may include? Because it sounds like it does for you. 

 

I'm simply asking if I'm still getting rained and snowed on and freezing my butt off in the winter, what are taxpayers really getting for the hundreds of millions of dollars they're contributing to this?  I prefer it to be more than mainly cosmetic differences.

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, Billz4ever said:

 

I'm simply asking if I'm still getting rained and snowed on and freezing my butt off in the winter, what are taxpayers really getting for the hundreds of millions of dollars they're contributing to this?  I prefer it to be more than mainly cosmetic differences.

We are getting a brand new building to watch the team in. We are getting a new long term lease, providing some security that the team stays put for at least a reasonable amount of years into the future. Not enough? Stay home. 

 

[LeGOATski]

16 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

It’s of course just personal opinion but here are a few of the newest NFL stadiums:

 

 

 

 

 

And then here is the Bills new stadium:

 

 

It looks generic. Boring. Unappealing. Nothing screams “Buffalo” to me. There are no unique features that stand out and make people instantly say “oh that’s the Bills stadium”. Looking from the outside I can’t tell if it’s an airport, a soccer stadium, or a place to watch football.

 

And it looks like it’s old already. More like an early 2000’s stadium. If you were visiting a city you’ve never been and they told you this stadium was built in 2002, would you even question it? Probably not. It looks like a generic 2002 stadium. Like someone out of Madden build-a-stadium.

 

In fact it kinda-sorta looks like a more shapely Metlife stadium, which was built a decade and a half ago and is universally panned by Jets & Giants fans.

 

 

With taxpayers contributing nearly $1B, I am bothered by getting a generic, boring, unappealing stadium.

 

Out of those, the Merc Benz stadium is the only one that stands out to me. The Bills rendering is just as interesting as the others and doesn't cost nearly as much.

[Billz4ever]

7 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

We are getting a brand new building to watch the team in. We are getting a new long term lease, providing some security that the team stays put for at least a reasonable amount of years into the future. Not enough? Stay home. 

 

 

Ah, bribing a billionaire at the expense of the taxpayers, who also then get the privilege of paying an ungodly amount to actually go to a game and freeze in Dec/Jan.

 

Not to mention the fact that the weather is certainly no advantage to the Bills offense, despite the folks who mistakenly think it is.

Edited February 27, 2023 by Billz4ever

[Bruffalo]

Well I think it looks neat. I hope the food options are better. 

 

 

[McDeerInTheHeadlights]

1 hour ago, Billz4ever said:

 

https://www.democratandchronicle.com/story/sports/football/nfl/bills/2022/10/27/buffalo-bills-new-stadium-renderings-released-take-a-look/69595800007/

 

 

 

I've never heard of someone wanting to build their house with no roof and then wasting the massive amount of energy needed to heat it for it to just radiate right off into the sky.

 

1 hour ago, nucci said:

My Dad used to yell at me as a kid during winter in Buffalo...leaving the door open. What are you doing, heating the outside?

 

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

What does it cost to heat the outdoors?

 

They could compensate for all that energy waste by celebrating an extra Pride day.

[PBF81]

34 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

Minnesota is a solid comparison and an ideal example, IMO. very modern and enclosed. When adjusted for 2022 dollars, the cost was about what the Bills stadium will cost.

 

Indy also did well with Lucas Oil Field, it has a unique throwback look. That cost @1billion adjusted for inflation.

 

The cost of doing business is expensive in NY.

 

Will be interesting what Green Bay, KC and Chicago do as their time comes for new stadiums.

 

Chicago already released a bunch of renderings I thought.  I could be wrong.

 

I just looked, Lucas Oil Stadium looks great.  I'd take that in a heartbeat.  Has a little bit of a steampunk look to it.  Very unique.

 

Edited February 27, 2023 by PBF81

[Jrb1979]

56 minutes ago, teef said:

yes.  that was 100% the most important thing.  the renderings look meh, but at the end of the day, does it really effect your life?  

It doesn't effect my life but doesn't mean I should just be satisfied they are staying. 

 

The issue I have is that around the league the stadiums that have been built or being built are state of the art. Even other leagues are upgrading their stadiums to get them up to date. Look at the Rogers Centre in Toronto. This winter they have done a big make over with adding a bar that overlooks centre field. The way sports have been heading  the game isn't the major draw anymore stadium wise. Most can stay home if they just want to watch the game. 

 

This goes for the Sabres too. I hope with them being good again and attendance rising they use some of that money a put it back into the arena and get it up to date. 

[JoPoy88]

10 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Ah, bribing a billionaire at the expense of the taxpayers, who also then get the privilege of paying an ungodly amount to actually go to a game and freeze in Dec/Jan.

 

Not to mention the fact that the weather is certainly no advantage to the Bills offense, despite the folks who mistakenly think it is.

I am certainly not defending the way stadiums are funded in this country. But the Bills were not getting another long term lease on the current stadium. The league made clear it was time for them to get something done on a new build.

 

A roof would probably have helped the team’s offense as it’s currently constructed. But roof/no roof doesn’t mean much to me personally as a fan. I am outside for hours before the game anyways. 

[teef]

1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said:

It doesn't effect my life but doesn't mean I should just be satisfied they are staying. 

 

The issue I have is that around the league the stadiums that have been built or being built are state of the art. Even other leagues are upgrading their stadiums to get them up to date. Look at the Rogers Centre in Toronto. This winter they have done a big make over with adding a bar that overlooks centre field. The way sports have been heading  the game isn't the major draw anymore stadium wise. Most can stay home if they just want to watch the game. 

 

This goes for the Sabres too. I hope with them being good again and attendance rising they use some of that money a put it back into the arena and get it up to date. 

yes...you should be satisfied they're staying, because for locals, that's the most important thing.  

 

and so what if you don't love the look.  i don't either and i absolutely would have preferred a dome, but here we are.  some posters my not like the esthetics, but it will still be a massive upgrade, but inside and out.  you're acting like there's no upgrade at all.

[Einstein]

A buddy of mine who is a panthers fan just saw the rendering and said it looks like a bedpan lol.

I think he means from above, considering the curvature.

[The Jokeman]

1 hour ago, Beast said:

The Bills are getting a new stadium. One that is going to be WAY better than what they have now….and fans are whining. LOL

Somethings are better, yet some things that be even better were dismissed because of cost. Honestly I don't get the thought of no dome in a location like ours. As we saw this past two seasons that severe weather here in Buffalo can affect games. 

[Fleezoid]

Just happy there's a new Renderings thread!