TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Here’s the game: rank our 24 free agents from most likely to least likely to re-sign. Unrestricted free agents: OG Ike Boettger WR Jamison Crowder LB Tremaine Edwards OT Bobby Hart S Jaquan Johnson RB Taiwan Jones QB Case Keenum LB A.J. Klein WR Jake Kumerow DE Shaq Lawson S Dean Marlowe P Sam Martin LB Tyler Matakevich OT Justin Murray DT Jordan Phillips S Jordan Poyer OG David Quessenberry OG Rodger Saffold RB Devin Singletary TE Tommy Sweeney OG Greg Van Roten Restricted free agents: LB Tyler Dodson CB Dane Jackson CB Cam Lewis Obviously you don’t have to do all 24, but I figured this is the perfect time since no one has been re-upped or tagged yet. 🦬 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 I think you did a great job and, coincidentally, they also appear to be in alphabetical order 😝 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 The cheaper ones are going to be more likely to re-sign but doesn't correspond to need or talent. If they can get X player at vet min then they are likely to sign them as they are a known commodity even if they aren't necessarily a good player and perhaps they are secretly hoping they get beat out in camp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Fun exercise if I had more time. Keep in mind some of these guys might be considered for depth pieces AFTER the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Edmunds and Poyer are the only guys who aren’t JAG’s. The punter, Keenum and Lawson are the only guys I’d keep over a vet minimum guy or rookie. Phillips is an out of shape injury prone guy you can’t depend on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Taiwan Jones Tyler Matakevich Tommy Sweeney Jake Kumerow Ike Boettger Bobby Hart Justin Murray David Quessenberry Greg VanRoten Dean Marlowe Jamison Crowder Case Keenum Sam Martin Tremaine Edmunds AJ Klein Jordan Phillips Shaq Lawson Devin Singletary Jordan Poyer Rodger Saffold Jaquan Johnson Dane Jackson Tyler Dodson Cam Lewis 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Here’s the game: rank our 24 free agents from most likely to least likely to re-sign. Unrestricted free agents: OG Ike Boettger WR Jamison Crowder LB Tremaine Edwards OT Bobby Hart S Jaquan Johnson RB Taiwan Jones QB Case Keenum LB A.J. Klein WR Jake Kumerow DE Shaq Lawson S Dean Marlowe P Sam Martin LB Tyler Matakevich OT Justin Murray DT Jordan Phillips S Jordan Poyer OG David Quessenberry OG Rodger Saffold RB Devin Singletary TE Tommy Sweeney OG Greg Van Roten Restricted free agents: LB Tyler Dodson CB Dane Jackson CB Cam Lewis Obviously you don’t have to do all 24, but I figured this is the perfect time since no one has been re-upped or tagged yet. 🦬 Not necessarily a ranking, but the bolded are the only guys I want back. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 18 minutes ago, frostbitmic said: Taiwan Jones Tyler Matakevich Tommy Sweeney Jake Kumerow Ike Boettger Bobby Hart Justin Murray David Quessenberry Greg VanRoten Dean Marlowe Jamison Crowder Case Keenum Sam Martin Tremaine Edmunds AJ Klein Jordan Phillips Shaq Lawson Devin Singletary Jordan Poyer Rodger Saffold Jaquan Johnson Dane Jackson Tyler Dodson Cam Lewis Heavy on the ST Just like McBeane likes it 12 minutes ago, SCBills said: Not necessarily a ranking, but the bolded are the only guys I want back. I respect it. I'd add Edmunds and Jones too but obviously Edmunds will get big $ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 (edited) Unrestricted free agents: OG Ike Boettger WR Jamison Crowder LB Tremaine Edwards OT Bobby Hart S Jaquan Johnson RB Taiwan Jones QB Case Keenum LB A.J. Klein WR Jake Kumerow DE Shaq Lawson S Dean Marlowe P Sam Martin LB Tyler Matakevich OT Justin Murray DT Jordan Phillips S Jordan Poyer OG David Quessenberry OG Rodger Saffold RB Devin Singletary TE Tommy Sweeney OG Greg Van Roten Restricted free agents: LB Tyler Dodson CB Dane Jackson CB Cam Lewis Keep the bolded. Everyone else can walk. I'd like Poyer, but I don't think he wants to stay in New York. Ideally we could Tag/Sign and Trade Edmunds. Edited February 22, 2023 by Warriorspikes51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 WOW they say each year is a different team and this year will be definitely a totally different team . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted February 22, 2023 Author Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 hour ago, freddyjj said: I think you did a great job and, coincidentally, they also appear to be in alphabetical order 😝 I am just THAT good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 During the Patriots era of domination they had a core of about 6 high end players and 16 others that changed frequently. The Bills core I s Allen and Diggs and Knox on offense. Miller White and Milano on defense. Everyone else is either a JAG or a JAG with potential to be more. In the final analysis Miller and whites injuries could not be overcome in the playoffs. Knox and White are concerns going forward. Diggs is 30. Miller is 34 this March. All of sudden the Bills are starting to feel like a rebuild. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 8 minutes ago, T master said: WOW they say each year is a different team and this year will be definitely a totally different team . Is there anyone on the roster that predates this regime? Lawson got drafted the prior year (2016) but left and came back. Our LS is also a 2016 addition. That it. Always a lot of turnover on NFL teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 7 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Is there anyone on the roster that predates this regime? Lawson got drafted the prior year (2016) but left and came back. Our LS is also a 2016 addition. That it. Always a lot of turnover on NFL teams. Yah i know but 24 + players in one season seems a bit high . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD716 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Resign these, all the rest let go boetteger-nominal $ coming off injury crowder—2-3 year deal edmonds— multi year lawson— multi year deal martin—2-3 year deal poyer-2-3 year deal klein—1 year singletary if reasonable. If not there are a lot of options 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Here’s the game: rank our 24 free agents from most likely to least likely to re-sign. Unrestricted free agents: OG Ike Boettger WR Jamison Crowder LB Tremaine Edwards OT Bobby Hart S Jaquan Johnson RB Taiwan Jones QB Case Keenum LB A.J. Klein WR Jake Kumerow DE Shaq Lawson S Dean Marlowe P Sam Martin LB Tyler Matakevich OT Justin Murray DT Jordan Phillips S Jordan Poyer OG David Quessenberry OG Rodger Saffold RB Devin Singletary TE Tommy Sweeney OG Greg Van Roten Restricted free agents: LB Tyler Dodson CB Dane Jackson CB Cam Lewis Obviously you don’t have to do all 24, but I figured this is the perfect time since no one has been re-upped or tagged yet. 🦬 I think the guys I bolded have a good shot of being back as starters, backups/depth, or ST specialists. My higher priority players would be Phillips and Lawson. Edited February 22, 2023 by Alphadawg7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 4 minutes ago, TD716 said: Resign these, all the rest let go boetteger-nominal $ coming off injury crowder—2-3 year deal edmonds— multi year lawson— multi year deal martin—2-3 year deal poyer-2-3 year deal klein—1 year singletary if reasonable. If not there are a lot of options This plan has us leveraging the future just to re-sign our own. Allen restructure gets us out of cap jail. Then we need pull a couple more levers to free up Edmunds money. We would need to restructure every candidate we have, and likely backload contracts/void years, just to bring back two core defenders on a defense that hasn't stepped up when it matters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 39 minutes ago, Chaos said: During the Patriots era of domination they had a core of about 6 high end players and 16 others that changed frequently. The Bills core I s Allen and Diggs and Knox on offense. Miller White and Milano on defense. Everyone else is either a JAG or a JAG with potential to be more. In the final analysis Miller and whites injuries could not be overcome in the playoffs. Knox and White are concerns going forward. Diggs is 30. Miller is 34 this March. All of sudden the Bills are starting to feel like a rebuild. Steelers did this also when they won 2SBs. They would not take Edmunds with a huge contract or Poyer, but would replace them. You can’t lay 2 studs at every position (Edmunds and Milano, Poyer and Hyde), esp when protecting the QB and giving him weapons is more important. I don’t think Knox os a concern is Dorsey uses him properly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 The only ones I'm signing is: Boettger Keenum Lawson Marlow Martin Jackson 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 hour ago, T master said: Yah i know but 24 + players in one season seems a bit high . It’s in line with the rest of the league. Spotrac FA list by team. You can change that to any team and hit “update”. Between 20-30 FAs is typical. Most teams like to churn the bottom of their rosters. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Priority free agents: The rest: 1. Edmunds 2. Jackson 3. Dodson 4. Martin 5. Lawson 6. Keenum 7. Singletary 8. Poyer 9. Matakevich 10. Crowder 11. Lewis 12. Phillips 13. Klein 14. Jones 15. Johnson 16. Marlowe 17. Quessenberry 18. Kumerow 19. Hart 20. Boettger 21. Sweeney 22. Murray 23. Saffold 24. Van Roten Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Yikes…..That seems like a really long list. Does anyone know what the league average looks like? Or how this year’s number compares to recent Bills’ rosters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD716 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, SCBills said: This plan has us leveraging the future just to re-sign our own. Allen restructure gets us out of cap jail. Then we need pull a couple more levers to free up Edmunds money. We would need to restructure every candidate we have, and likely backload contracts/void years, just to bring back two core defenders on a defense that hasn't stepped up when it matters. So how do we replace all these starters. We have 1 safety under contract in Hyde. We saw what the lack of a starting slot looked like last year. We saw what Basham and Epenesa looked like( cut both) We need to bring back Lawson as a quality backup. Punter , we need one and he did great. We only have 5 OL signed for next year and we need depth/starters at left guard and right tackle. We saw what defense looked like without Poyer/Edmonds. Cut Hines ,Settle and McKenzie and then restructure some other contracts 2 hours ago, SCBills said: 2 hours ago, SCBills said: 2 hours ago, SCBills said: Edited February 22, 2023 by TD716 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yantha Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 I know many here despise PFF.... But I wonder what the PFF rankings are for our Free Agents? Please post if you have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 12 minutes ago, TD716 said: So how do we replace all these starters. We have 1 safety under contract in Hyde. We saw what the lack of a starting slot looked like last year. We saw what Basham and Epenesa looked like( cut both) We need to bring back Lawson as a quality backup. Punter , we need one and he did great. We only have 5 OL signed for next year and we need depth/starters at left guard and right tackle. We saw what defense looked like without Poyer/Edmonds. Cut Hines ,Settle and McKenzie and then restructure some other contracts We replace Edmunds with a vet MLB at a third of the cost, draft a Safety and/or bring back Marlowe to compete with Benford as we transition him to Safety. Trade Oliver and draft his replacement. Cut underperforming guys like Settle and Basham. Sign another pass rusher like Melvin Ingram. The Defense needs to shift and we can't do that by running it back... and even worse, mortgaging future years to bring back BOTH Edmunds and Poyer. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TD716 Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 2 hours ago, SCBills said: This plan has us leveraging the future just to re-sign our own. Allen restructure gets us out of cap jail. Then we need pull a couple more levers to free up Edmunds money. We would need to restructure every candidate we have, and likely backload contracts/void years, just to bring back two core defenders on a defense that hasn't stepped up when it matters. I would love to get it all done thru the draft while throwing in the towel on 2 first round draft picks after their rookie deals are done. We will need starters at RT,LG,WR2, RB, DT,MLB,S ,slot WR and backups at LB,S,OL,DT,QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: Yikes…..That seems like a really long list. Does anyone know what the league average looks like? Or how this year’s number compares to recent Bills’ rosters? Given the Bills cap situation, it'll be another year of Beane filling out at least 1/3 of the roster with dumpster vets on one-year deals. Not sure if it's intentional or not, but it's become his methodology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Not a single one that’s actually tough to replace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 Here are the 18 guys I would draft to replace these free agents: (I traded down several times) 3 CBs 2 Centers 2 Guards 1 Tackle 3 WRs 2 LBs 1 S 2 DL 2 RBs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 2 hours ago, Airseven said: Given the Bills cap situation, it'll be another year of Beane filling out at least 1/3 of the roster with dumpster vets on one-year deals. Not sure if it's intentional or not, but it's become his methodology. ....and nothing screams SB like dumpster dive olineman. Beane hit homeruns with Josh & Stefon. But after them it's been mostly dribblers back to the mound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 4 hours ago, TD716 said: I would love to get it all done thru the draft while throwing in the towel on 2 first round draft picks after their rookie deals are done. We will need starters at RT,LG,WR2, RB, DT,MLB,S ,slot WR and backups at LB,S,OL,DT,QB. At least we have our QB and Kicker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 9 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Here’s the game: rank our 24 free agents from most likely to least likely to re-sign. Unrestricted free agents: OG Ike Boettger Re-sign back-up WR Jamison Crowder Walk LB Tremaine Edwards Tag & Trade OT Bobby Hart Re-sign back-up S Jaquan Johnson Walk RB Taiwan Jones Walk QB Case Keenum Walk LB A.J. Klein Re-sign and see how he looks in camp WR Jake Kumerow Walk DE Shaq Lawson Re-sign S Dean Marlowe Re-sign back-up P Sam Martin Walk LB Tyler Matakevich Walk OT Justin Murray Walk DT Jordan Phillips Walk S Jordan Poyer Bring back, but only of you get a good deal OG David Quessenberry Walk OG Rodger Saffold Walk RB Devin Singletary Walk TE Tommy Sweeney Walk OG Greg Van Roten Walk Restricted free agents: LB Tyler Dodson Re-sign CB Dane Jackson Re-sign CB Cam Lewis Walk Obviously you don’t have to do all 24, but I figured this is the perfect time since no one has been re-upped or tagged yet. 🦬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 7 hours ago, T master said: Yah i know but 24 + players in one season seems a bit high . 5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: Yikes…..That seems like a really long list. Does anyone know what the league average looks like? Or how this year’s number compares to recent Bills’ rosters? Miami has 29, NYJ have 24 and the Patriots have 18. Spotrac has 712 FAs on the 32 teams. Comes to 22.25 per team. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted February 22, 2023 Share Posted February 22, 2023 4 hours ago, TD716 said: I would love to get it all done thru the draft while throwing in the towel on 2 first round draft picks after their rookie deals are done. We will need starters at RT,LG,WR2, RB, DT,MLB,S ,slot WR and backups at LB,S,OL,DT,QB. It's quite scary with a tight cap and no extra picks. Epenesa could be moved for a 5th, but there's no one else under contract (and with value) who they'd realistically try to trade. Losing Oliver wouldn't be worth the return due to his contract. Harsh reality is that guys like Brown (RT) and Davis (WR2) will remain starters because there's no avenues for improvement. And they'll still have gaping holes at RB, WR3, OG, DE, MLB, and S among starters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chongli Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Chaos said: Here are the 18 guys I would draft to replace these free agents: (I traded down several times) 3 CBs 2 Centers 2 Guards 1 Tackle 3 WRs 2 LBs 1 S 2 DL 2 RBs It's a little hard to read, but you were able to draft 18 players? That would be all-time record I suspect (since the draft went to just 7 rounds) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 4 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Miami has 29, NYJ have 24 and the Patriots have 18. Spotrac has 712 FAs on the 32 teams. Comes to 22.25 per team. https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/ Thanks Colorado Pretty amazing how much turnover there is year over year, and the vast majority comes in free agency. By the time they get to camp just about all of the roster spots are set in stone, with the infamous ‘camp battles’ coming down to just a couple of special team reserves who’ll rarely contribute much of anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 19 hours ago, Airseven said: Given the Bills cap situation, it'll be another year of Beane filling out at least 1/3 of the roster with dumpster vets on one-year deals. Not sure if it's intentional or not, but it's become his methodology. It’s every teams methodology 14 hours ago, Airseven said: It's quite scary with a tight cap and no extra picks. Epenesa could be moved for a 5th, but there's no one else under contract (and with value) who they'd realistically try to trade. Losing Oliver wouldn't be worth the return due to his contract. Harsh reality is that guys like Brown (RT) and Davis (WR2) will remain starters because there's no avenues for improvement. And they'll still have gaping holes at RB, WR3, OG, DE, MLB, and S among starters. There are not gaping holes at at least three of those positions. You would like to see work for improvement, but you could totally go into the season at running back Wide receiver Defensive end Middle linebacker unless Edmonds is gone Stop with the ***** hyper bole 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 2 hours ago, John from Riverside said: There are not gaping holes at at least three of those positions. You would like to see work for improvement, but you could totally go into the season at running back Wide receiver Defensive end Middle linebacker unless Edmonds is gone Stop with the ***** hyper bole You think that relying on players like Cook, McKenzie, Shakir, Epenesa, Basham, Dodson, and Bernard is a sound strategy for next season. Terrific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 17 hours ago, chongli said: It's a little hard to read, but you were able to draft 18 players? That would be all-time record I suspect (since the draft went to just 7 rounds) Yes. Without giving up players or future draft picks, simply trading down in this draft. While this is possible in PFF world I don't think it could happen in real life. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 23, 2023 Share Posted February 23, 2023 5 hours ago, Airseven said: You think that relying on players like Cook, McKenzie, Shakir, Epenesa, Basham, Dodson, and Bernard is a sound strategy for next season. Terrific. We just did it on a 13 and three team But let’s dive a little deeper When you have to start paying a franchise QB, you have to start relying on your draft picks. You can’t have a solidified veteran at every position. James cook was taking reps away from Devon Singletary by the time that the season was over and he was doing well with it now I’m not saying that James Cook is in every down back so there’s gonna have to be another player there but we had Duke Johnson sitting on the practice squad never used him I have made it well known that my first round pick would be Bijan Robinson but that’s because he is probably the only guy that has a first round grade that might be available at 27 maybe I would bet that McKenzie is not going to be brought back for any amount of money that’s going to end up being shakurjob to lose There is absolutely no reason to believe that the bills are going to rely on Dodson or Benard that’s just you trying to push your ***** narrative on everybody Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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