Suitable Edmunds Replacements in the draft

[H2o]

He's a big boy, and he's got straight line speed, but he's an edge defender and one of the knocks on him is his lack of instincts against the run. We just had one of those. 

[Alphadawg7]

9 minutes ago, Chaos said:

And that is exactly my proposition.  I guess people are not familiar with the phrase "Dark Horse"

Lemme guess, you read some sleeper article, saw his name on there, and came and tried to regurgitate the same info here to appear like you have this great insight.  

 

Stop mentioning Pacheco.  For every 1 of him, there are a 1000 nobodies.  And you act like Pacheco carried them to a SB lol.

 

Second, it’s substantially easier to find a late round RB to contribute in a rotation than a MLB who starts and plays most the game who is the QB of the defense.

[ScorpionZero]

37 minutes ago, Chaos said:

Did you read the write on draft buzz. Not aligned with your conclusions at all. 

I don't put allot of stock in draft buzz, I read the write ups on players before I watch the film and most of the time they're not quite on target. 

[GunnerBill]

33 minutes ago, ScorpionZero said:

I don't put allot of stock in draft buzz, I read the write ups on players before I watch the film and most of the time they're not quite on target. 

 

I think you are being generous. Often they are just plain wrong.

[Aussie Joe]

Thanks for the tip… I’ll get right on researching this guy

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, H2o said:

He's a big boy, and he's got straight line speed, but he's an edge defender and one of the knocks on him is his lack of instincts against the run. We just had one of those. 

We didn't get him in the 7th round though.

[wppete]

 

[BigAl2526]

2 hours ago, 947 said:

A 260lb LB?

 

I see that his shuttle is in the 9th percentile. That shows his change of direction is very slow despite being really "straight line" fast, that's definitely due to his size. LBs need to be fast changing directions, in coverage and everything else they do. I agree with the others that he's probably an Edge prospect, not a LB.

Agility would be one of my concerns too.  I would not say that he couldn't become an effective Mike linebacker, but I'd like to see him lose some weight and see if that lets him become more agile.  He is also going to need some development and coaching to make the transition to an NFL middle linebacker.  If the Bills were to start him in 2023, the defense would suffer.

[gonzo1105]

1 hour ago, ScorpionZero said:

I don't put allot of stock in draft buzz, I read the write ups on players before I watch the film and most of the time they're not quite on target. 

That’s why so many fans get pissed when X, Y player gets passed up for some unknown or lesser guy. Most scouting reports are outdated even from reputable places. You have to watch with your own eyes and formulate your own opinion. 
 

I’ll give you an example. I started watching the safety position. I watch Quan Martin out of Illinois. I see a guy who excels as a Nickel CB, can play the deep half in zones really well who is a realizable tackler despite his size. Has played in the box and the boundary at an average level. 
 

Then I look at the combine numbers and see 4.47, 44 inch Vert etc. 

 

So I’m like damn good football player, who’s versatile, shown he’s a high level athlete. I’m like let me check the draft prognosticators. All like 4th and 5th round. Instead of questioning myself because of an old scouting  report, I laugh because I know watching tape and how the NFL works that Quan Martin is most likely going to go in round 2. 

Edited March 18, 2023 by gonzo1105

[Solomon Grundy]

35 minutes ago, wppete said:

 

I'm just getting over a "punt God", now you're expecting me to welcome a " sun God"🙄

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

That’s why so many fans get pissed when X, Y player gets passed up for some unknown or lesser guy. Most scouting reports are outdated even from reputable places. You have to watch with your own eyes and formulate your own opinion. 
 

I’ll give you an example. I started watching the safety position. I watch Quan Martin out of Illinois. I see a guy who excels as a Nickel CB, can play the deep half in zones really well who is a realizable tackler despite his size. Has played in the box and the boundary at an average level. 
 

Then I look at the combine numbers and see 4.47, 44 inch Vert etc. 

 

So I’m like damn good football player, who’s versatile, shown he’s a high level athlete. I’m like let me check the draft prognosticators. All like 4th and 5th round. Instead of questioning myself because of an old scouting  report, I laugh because I know watching tape and how the NFL works that Quan Martin is most likely going to go in round 2. 

 

Sometimes it works that way. Sometimes the NFL gets caught in the groupthink as well though. That is why really good players can often go later than their talent desrves and on odd occasions not get drafted at all. 

 

As for Martin I had a late 3rd on him. It is positional value that I struggle with him a bit on. I think you are right nickel corner is his position, that caps him a tad for me.

[Wizard]

I want a proven commodity as our Mike/2nd linebacker.

 

Give me a player with a ring. A player that has earned All Pro honors and anchored a great defense with a veteran poise and consistent presence.

 

That name is...Bobby Wagner

[NewEra]

He’s an intriguing prospect for sure but I don’t think he has the lateral movement skills to play the Mike.  

[gonzo1105]

29 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Sometimes it works that way. Sometimes the NFL gets caught in the groupthink as well though. That is why really good players can often go later than their talent desrves and on odd occasions not get drafted at all. 

 

As for Martin I had a late 3rd on him. It is positional value that I struggle with him a bit on. I think you are right nickel corner is his position, that caps him a tad for me.

 

 

See and thats whats great about the scouting opinions. What you feel is a pigeon hole keeping him down, I see as a guy who can play 3 positions for 1 player and has higher value than others because of it. Its not a knock I find this aspect of things fun. I disagree with the late 3rd. Could you talk me into early 3rd round then yes I can go with that.

[T master]

I wish the guy from army (Andre Carter) didn't have his commitment in stone with them he looks like a beast 6' 6" 240 with room to put on weight & he runs in the 4.2's if he didn't have the commitment to the army they said he'd be a 1st rounder ...

Edited March 19, 2023 by T master

[Chaos]

Just now, T master said:

I wish the guy from army (Andre Carter) didn't have his commitment in stone with them he looks like a beast 6' 6" 240 with room to put on weight & he runs in the 4.2's if he didn't have the commitment to the army they said he'd be a 1st rounder ...

Seems he could be stronger.  11 on bench press seemed off. maybe a bad day. 

NFL grades DJ Johnson at 6.14.  He is definitely not a shmoe. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

I truly think it will be "Captain" Jack Campbell from Iowa, big, instinctive, excellent in coverage if we don't end up signing a veteran.

[Chaos]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

I truly think it will be "Captain" Jack Campbell from Iowa, big, instinctive, excellent in coverage if we don't end up signing a veteran.

He would be over drafted at 27, and won't make it to 59.   I would be ok with him at 27 though, and thrilled at 59. 

[John from Riverside]

14 hours ago, Wizard said:

I want a proven commodity as our Mike/2nd linebacker.

 

Give me a player with a ring. A player that has earned All Pro honors and anchored a great defense with a veteran poise and consistent presence.

 

That name is...Bobby Wagner

Kids and their shiny name brand toys

12 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

I truly think it will be "Captain" Jack Campbell from Iowa, big, instinctive, excellent in coverage if we don't end up signing a veteran.

High for 27
Would make a great trade down candidate, though

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

Kids and their shiny name brand toys

High for 27
Would make a great trade down candidate, though

 

i was thinking more for the 2nd round, I may be going out on a limb here but there may be 0 ILB taken in round 1 and a run in round 2. My guess is that he'd be there for us in round 2 but that could be a stretch we'll see.

[Manther]

19 hours ago, Chaos said:

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/DJ-Johnson-TE-Oregon

Projected 7th round prospect.  Negative seems to be he is 24 years old. 

24?  What year did he graduate High School and why?  Am I missing something?

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[Kaenon]

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Let's go Buffalo! 

 

[Einstein]

Well, he does have the size McBeane likes.

 

Not sure he has the athleticism though.

[Kaenon]

Just now, Einstein said:

Well, he does have the size McBeane likes.

 

Not sure he has the athleticism though.

He blew up the combine.

4.65 40, 11 foot broad jump, 37" vertical, sub 7 second 3-cone.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

I find it hilarious his pro comparison is Edmunds. Instinct and coverage are his biggest a weakness, although both can be over come. 
 

I won’t hate it, he has the agility required. 

[Beast]

I’ll take thread titles that piss people off during free agency for 500 Alex.

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I find it hilarious his pro comparison is Edmunds. Instinct and coverage are his biggest a weakness, although both can be over come. 
 

I won’t hate it, he has the agility required. 

 

I won't pretend to know anything about him from watching him personally, but his scouting report actually means his lack of agility and athleticism. 

[Turbo44]

Projected to go which rounds?

[Doc]

1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I find it hilarious his pro comparison is Edmunds. Instinct and coverage are his biggest a weakness, although both can be over come. 
 

I won’t hate it, he has the agility required. 

I thought he was an instinctive middle linebacker?

[Kaenon]

2 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:

Projected to go which rounds?

Late 1st - mid 2nd 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

His highlights are incredible. He looks a little small for MLB. As long as he can pass a PED test I think I wouldn't mind taking him at #27. 

[MrEpsYtown]

8 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I won't pretend to know anything about him from watching him personally, but his scouting report actually means his lack of agility and athleticism. 

That’s just knocking him for being a big white guy from Iowa. His three cone was better than Isaiah McKenzie’s. He has the total package. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

13 minutes ago, Doc said:

I thought he was an instinctive middle linebacker?

I didn’t get that reading the NFL.com write up. 

9 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

His highlights are incredible. He looks a little small for MLB. As long as he can pass a PED test I think I wouldn't mind taking him at #27. 

He’s 6’5” 250

[Einstein]

9 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

His highlights are incredible. He looks a little small for MLB. As long as he can pass a PED test I think I wouldn't mind taking him at #27. 

 

6'5 and 250 looks small??

[TheyCallMeAndy]

15 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I won't pretend to know anything about him from watching him personally, but his scouting report actually means his lack of agility and athleticism. 

I think they mean his straight line speed, which wasn’t great (4.65) but his agility tests were fantastic. 

[LEBills]

1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said:

That’s just knocking him for being a big white guy from Iowa. His three cone was better than Isaiah McKenzie’s. He has the total package. 

I like Campbell and he did do very well at the Combine but I think he is a little overvalued on this board. I think a good comparison is Leo Chenal - another big 10 LB who blew up the combine - who the Chiefs took in the third round. Campbell is better because he does better in coverage than Chenal did but I think round 3 is about right for him. It’s a very weak class so maybe he gets pushed to round 2. Round 1 should be out of the question imo

[gonzo1105]

Like I said in the other thread, if you want a replacement for Edmunds you better get Campbell or Drew Sanders. If you don’t get one of those two, you’re better off rolling with Bernard/Spector and seeing what they have. I like Dorian Williams but he’s also undersized. Pappoe, Sewell, Overstreet were all high end recruits who are good athletes but bad football players who can’t tackle. 
 

This LB class is that bad 

[MrEpsYtown]

15 hours ago, T master said:

I wish the guy from army (Andre Carter) didn't have his commitment in stone with them he looks like a beast 6' 6" 240 with room to put on weight & he runs in the 4.2's if he didn't have the commitment to the army they said he'd be a 1st rounder ...

You must have him confused with someone else. 
 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

5 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

6'5 and 250 looks small??

 

Lol. wow! He looks way smaller on film.

[Chaos]

1 hour ago, Manther said:

24?  What year did he graduate High School and why?  Am I missing something?

Players were given an extra year of eligibilty due to the pandemic.