Help dismantle the Chiefs

[Teddy KGB]

We made the Chiefs by giving them the best Qb ever 

 

Too late now 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

13 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said:

We made the Chiefs by giving them the best Qb ever 

 

Too late now 

"Pay that mahn hees mah-nee." 😁

[beebe]

Dismantle the Chiefs? The Bills literally created the Chiefs. 

 

It turned out to be a solid deal for both parties, but if Mahomes goes on to be a top-3 all time QB (or even the best ever), that trade probably becomes the most famous/consequential draft day trade of all time, passing even the Herschel Walker trade. 

[Captain Hindsight]

On 2/13/2023 at 8:18 AM, Your Brown Eye said:

Until a team finds out how to poach Mahomes off that roster, there's no dismantling the Chiefs

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, Captain Hindsight said:

Absolutely! The Chiefs are going to be a dynasty team. They have everything the Pats had and more. 

 

Reid is an offensive genius.

 

Mahomes is the next Tom Brady. 

 

GM Veech runs circles around Beane. Arguable he's the best GM in the league. 

 

There is no stopping this team. They traded away Hill and won with a suspect young defense and sub par WRs and RBs.

 

The Mahomes and Allen comparasions should stop now. It's not fair to Mahomes who is wearing two rings. 

 

The Chiefs win and know how to win! The Bills simply don't when it comes playoff time. 

 

Next year will be more of the same. 

Edited February 16, 2023 by newcam2012

[RoyBatty is alive]

On 2/13/2023 at 7:23 AM, BillsDad51 said:

Amazing how Reid used motion to get a receiver wide open for a TD, then ran same play on other side of formation to score another TD. Can Dorsey scheme that?

I find that more the fault of the Eagles DC than some wizardy by Reid or Bienemy. Abd ko and behold the Defensive coordinator is not with the Cardinals.

[Buffalo Super Fan]

How about not worrying about the Kansas City Chiefs and trying to fix the Buffalo Bills? The Buffalo Bills need to get better because it isn’t just the Kansas City Chiefs every one is trying in some way to get better in the NFL in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I find that more the fault of the Eagles DC than some wizardy by Reid or Bienemy. Abd ko and behold the Defensive coordinator is not with the Cardinals.

You think Beane and Dorsey would have taken advantage of the Eagles mistakes and scheme? I highly doubt it. Reid and Bienemy absolutely deserve credit. Stop with the hate. 

[BillsDad51]

1 hour ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

I find that more the fault of the Eagles DC than some wizardy by Reid or Bienemy. Abd ko and behold the Defensive coordinator is not with the Cardinals.

Later read somewhere else on this board that Chiefs picked those plays from Bills during last year's playoffs.

[PBF81]

We couldn't beat Cinci either, nor Miami with a 3rd-string QB.  This is more than us simply beating KC during the playoffs.  

 

Good luck to us under our current circumstances.  

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 hour ago, newcam2012 said:

You think Beane and Dorsey would have taken advantage of the Eagles mistakes and scheme? I highly doubt it. Reid and Bienemy absolutely deserve credit. Stop with the hate. 

Stop with the hate?  LOL.   Very directly articulated with the series of plays by Dan Orlovsky, eagles had the same defensive scheme for several plays in a row and the Chiefs exploited it.   so I guess Orlovsky also is now a genius.  Yes because I disagree with you I have "hate". 

 

Whatever, pointless talking to you further.

Edited February 16, 2023 by RoyBatty is alive

[LittleSammy]

Best way to dismantle the Chiefs, con them into doing a swap of Leslie Frazier and a draft pick for Steve Spanulo. 

[newcam2012]

15 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:

Stop with the hate?  LOL.   Very directly articulated with the series of plays by Dan Orlovsky, eagles had the same defensive scheme for several plays in a row and the Chiefs exploited it.   so I guess Orlovsky also is now a genius.  Yes because I disagree with you I have "hate". 

 

Whatever, pointless talking to you further.

You said it right there. The Chiefs exploited the Eagle defense. You have to give the Chiefs coaching credit for play calling recognizing the Eagles defense.

 

Come on man be real. You are trying to minimize the Chiefs coaching staff. It was great play calling and execution. 

[Billl]

21 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

You said it right there. The Chiefs exploited the Eagle defense. You have to give the Chiefs coaching credit for play calling recognizing the Eagles defense.

 

Come on man be real. You are trying to minimize the Chiefs coaching staff. It was great play calling and execution. 

But they used the same defensive scheme literally several plays in a row.  Don't you know that most teams switch schemes after every play?  They should've started in a 4-3, switched to a 3-4, then the Buddy Ryan 4-6, then moved to a nickel package followed by a dime package. They could have then used the extended halftime to hire a new defensive coordinator and brought in a few free agents for the second half. 

 

It can't possibly be that the Chiefs are actually talented and well coached offensively.  After all, Josh Allen is literally the only good football player in history.

[newcam2012]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

But they used the same defensive scheme literally several plays in a row.  Don't you know that most teams switch schemes after every play?  They should've started in a 4-3, switched to a 3-4, then the Buddy Ryan 4-6, then moved to a nickel package followed by a dime package. They could have then used the extended halftime to hire a new defensive coordinator and brought in a few free agents for the second half. 

 

It can't possibly be that the Chiefs are actually talented and well coached offensively.  After all, Josh Allen is literally the only good football player in history.

Exactly! I'll add the Chiefs got lucky, Mahomes is overrated because he has a great Oline, Reid wasn't that good because he sucked in Philly for years, McD will be the next Andy Reid, and Beane is a genius and I trust his judgement. 

 

The Bills will go 14-3 and win the Super Bowl next year. Allen will be the MVP. Rousseau will be the Defensive player of the year and McD will be coach of the year. 

 

How did I do? 

[JaCrispy]

On 2/13/2023 at 6:43 AM, PetermansRedemption said:

First you need to dismantle the Bills because there is no cap space to poach anyone. 

Start by trading Oliver for draft picks, and not signing Edmunds…consider it a mini rebuild, to pay for past draft mistakes…

[newcam2012]

10 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

Start by trading Oliver for draft picks, and not signing Edmunds…consider it a mini rebuild, to pay for past draft mistakes…

Agree but you have to dismantle the coaching staff too. 

 

Fraizer defense can't get it done. Plain and simple.

 

Dorsey is in over his head. 

 

McD can't take the team past a 1 win playoff game.

 

Beane has made colossal errors in his draft picks. Handicapped the team for years to come. 

 

This organization needs to be cleansed. Do you want a 9-8 team next year that gives you false hope. False hope for years. Or break it down and rebuild to win it all?

 

The way the Bills are approaching this season is merely to placate the fans. Fools gold.  They will fall short again. 

[John from Riverside]

Everyone in the stands should dress up like Miss Piggy. It will distract him.

[Nextmanup]

12 hours ago, beebe said:

Dismantle the Chiefs? The Bills literally created the Chiefs. 

 

It turned out to be a solid deal for both parties, but if Mahomes goes on to be a top-3 all time QB (or even the best ever), that trade probably becomes the most famous/consequential draft day trade of all time, passing even the Herschel Walker trade. 

How Billsy.

 

 

[AuntieEm]

On 2/13/2023 at 8:03 AM, Beast said:

Let’s also be honest. The Chiefs have Andy Reid. He’s one of, if not the the best, offensive mind out there. Expecting us to find that is wishful thinking though we certainly can do better and McDermott and Dorsey need to figure that out this off season.

 

 

   I'd love to see him create some plays built around Allen's skills.  It would really be interesting how he'd influence Allen's play.  

[ExiledInIllinois]

8 hours ago, BillsDad51 said:

Later read somewhere else on this board that Chiefs picked those plays from Bills during last year's playoffs.

https://heavy.com/sports/buffalo-bills/chiefs-coach-super-bowl-stolen-play/

[ColoradoBills]

On 2/13/2023 at 4:42 AM, Yantha said:

Any UFA's you would poach?

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/ufa/kansas-city-chiefs//

 

 

I kind of hope Beane and his boys take a look at G/T Andrew Wylie.  He played pretty well for KC at G and his Market Value

on Spotrac is a reasonable $4.6M.  He can play RT if needed.  A guy like this could be step one in building a better OL.

At 28 he is just entering his prime as an OLineman.

[LABILLBACKER]

Get Andy & Travis to retire and then they're dismantled. 

[Gugny]

And so it begins ….

 

Bills sign S Zayne Anderson from Kansas City.

 

Brick … by … brick. 

[Zerovoltz]

Someone mentioned Wylie.  I don't thnk KC can afford him.  He played the BEST GAME of his career on the SB....great time to do that.  Wylie has been with KC for 6 years and he's been a great depth piece.  Has started many games at OG and OT because he's versatile.  Much better at OG than OT, but he started all 17 games for us at RT this season.  

 

Andy Ried leaves his OT on islands A TON.  Wylie benefitted by having a mobile, Mahomes back there to avoid alot of sacks.  Some team is probably going to overpay and try to put him at RT.  Bad idea.  He'd be a good starting OG but still going to be overpayed.  I don't think if I was a Bills fan, that I'd want to pay starting Dollars to a guy who isn't really starter quality.  

 

Next...Personally, I think KC SHOULD move on from Orlando Brown at his asking price.  He wants to be paid like Trent Williams...he's not Trent Williams.  Brown also played his best game as a Chief...in the Super Bowl (great time to play your best)  Brown gets beat aroun the corner too much for my liking, and he's not much of an effort guy once Mahomes gets moving too.  That said....Kc won a SB with him starting.  he's been healthy, and he's not awful...just not great.  The question is the pay.  If KC could get that guy to take 18 Million per year insead of 25 or whatever he's going to ultimately ask for...might be worthwhile.  KC and National media folks thinking the TAG is coming again...I kind of think KC works out a deal (that I won't like) in order to be cap flexible.  Tagging him is possible but that will be something like 19.7 million on the cap.  KC can do it....but not ideal.  Eitiher way...he'll be a Chief again in 2023.

 

Frank Clark was all but gone last offseason but he worked out an interesting deal where he essentially restructured his deal so he was paid what his dead cap woul have been.  Given that it cost the same against the cap at that point, KC kept him.  Frank had a decent year and he showed up in the playoffs (Like he somehow always does...dude is 3rd in all time playoff sacks somehow)  Clark is going to be released as the cap savings are huge.  Perhaps they bring him back on a new deal after he tests FA, but he'll be out there for sure.  Bills seem to have a glut of younger cheaper DE's already.

 

Marquez Valdez-Scantling is under contract for 2 more years, and JuJu is a UFA.  KC can cut MVS easily.  KC could move on from both, or could cut MVS and re-sign JuJu OR could keep MVS and just let JuJu walk....or could resign JuJu and keep MVS also.  I do not think KC will have both JuJu and MVS on teh roster together next year regardless.... Interesting conundrum.  I do think JuJu is the better player, but he's fragile.  MVS is reliably healthy and fast...did have hte one playoff game against cincy where he put up some numbers.... I watched MVS all year and it was clear why the Packers never did much more than just run him deep.....that guy isn't an instintual route runner...doesn't have much of a feel for where to run to to get open...isn't a separator, and isn't a jump ball winner.  He's very limited.  KC wasn't able to develop him further.  To me, he costs to much for what you get.  If it were me, I'd cut MVS and let JuJu walk.  I believe Kc can replace those guys for less money.  Perhaps the Bills find one of them interesting.

 

Mecole Hardman might be someone that makes more sense in Buffalo.  He is UFA.  Speed for days...you can run sweeps, WR Screens, send him deep on go routes...he's not a great route tree guy, but you can do alot with him.  KC has his replacement on the roster in Toney already...he won't be back...he's an effecitve weapon if you can get him at the right price and understand what the expectations are with his skill set.  

 

KC has some rotational undersized interior D linemen who are UFA's.  Khalen Saunders (who recorded a sack in SB chasing Hurts OOB) is fast, undersized, might be worth a try as a 3-4 DE.  Tershawn Wharton.  Strictly a one trick pony as an undersized interior pass rush specialist.  Derrick Nhadi...the only guy form Veachs 1st draft class....and by far his worst draft class.  Nhadi isn't very good.  strictly a DT that is supposed to be an anchor and run defender...he gets pushed around easily and I'll be surprised if he makes an NFL roster in 2023

 

Chris Jones is 29 and under contract for one more year.  he'll be looking for an extension.  I'm inclined to beleive KC gets something done, but there has been talk KC could offer him up in a trade.  People point to when the Patriots traded Richard Seymour to the Raiders for a 1.  That was a good move by the Pats, but KC does NOT have any depth at all at DT, has nothing coming up even close that could replace him...and unlike the O...there is no Mahomes on D that makes everyone else better.  I think they'll spend some money on a 3 year extension and get some cap relief...BUT....it's not a given they wouldn't get a trade offer that blows them away and they take it.  I just don't see it though.

 

Still under contract in 2023 Willie Gay and La Jarious Sneed, but due for extensions.  Gay took some time to develop, but he's absolutely become what they thought he would when drafted in 2019 round 2.  fast, good in coverage etc.  Played a strong game in SB...I don't think they'll pay him AND Bolton, and Bolton has 2 more years left...I'd think whatever money they want to spend at LB, will be reserved for Bolton when it's his turn.  I do believe they have every intention of extending Sneed.

 

Not much here that can be poached.  the core is young and talented...KC has 10 or 11 draft picks (I can't remember exactly) and lots of young talent all over.  ...and decent cap situation.  

[Jeffbigalls]

They need to have buffalo play in KC for the Thursday opener

[JohnNord]

This is a depth signing.  He is a player that will play ST‘S and maybe could give them a few different looks on defense.  It does not appear that he is any sort of contributor on the starting defense:

 

[Dr.Sack]

Twinkies for Andy. 

[Tim58]

I came here this last season to congratulate you sfter the Bills beat my Chiefs. I thought you were a classy fanbase then and have seen nothing here to change my mind.

[f0neguy]

As far as “dismantling”…

 

With EB going to Washington as their new OC, I expect no changes to the offense whatsoever.  Does anyone (Zero) know if he actually did anything or was it all Reid?  By taking the new job he will have the opportunity to show what he can do.  Probably just brings Reid’s playbook to the WFT.

[ColoradoBills]

On 2/17/2023 at 2:19 PM, Zerovoltz said:

Someone mentioned Wylie.  I don't thnk KC can afford him.  He played the BEST GAME of his career on the SB....great time to do that.  Wylie has been with KC for 6 years and he's been a great depth piece.  Has started many games at OG and OT because he's versatile.  Much better at OG than OT, but he started all 17 games for us at RT this season.  

 

I mentioned him.  Thanks for your input.  

[Success]

Chiefs fans think they're our new "Patriots."  That they'll prevent us from getting to the SB in the Josh Allen era.

 

They seem to forget: we weren't good during the Brady years. They also forget:  even Brady went a decade without winning a ring.

 

We're good now.  And while they think JA is miles behind Mahomes, he ain't - he's at worst, 1b.  But I still think when all is said & done, he'll be viewed as the better QB.

 

I think we were better than them this past year, and that they were lucky we didn't get past Cincy.  I think the Bills end up w/ more Lombardi's w/ Allen as QB than KC ends up w/ w/ Mahomes as QB.

 

I don't care. Fight me.

 

 

 

[Zerovoltz]

45 minutes ago, Success said:

Chiefs fans think they're our new "Patriots."  That they'll prevent us from getting to the SB in the Josh Allen era.

 

They seem to forget: we weren't good during the Brady years. They also forget:  even Brady went a decade without winning a ring.

 

We're good now.  And while they think JA is miles behind Mahomes, he ain't - he's at worst, 1b.  But I still think when all is said & done, he'll be viewed as the better QB.

 

I think we were better than them this past year, and that they were lucky we didn't get past Cincy.  I think the Bills end up w/ more Lombardi's w/ Allen as QB than KC ends up w/ w/ Mahomes as QB.

 

I don't care. Fight me.

 

 

 

I don't speak for all Chiefs fans..but I've not said anything at all like this as a Chiefs fan.  

[Zerovoltz]

2 hours ago, f0neguy said:

As far as “dismantling”…

 

With EB going to Washington as their new OC, I expect no changes to the offense whatsoever.  Does anyone (Zero) know if he actually did anything or was it all Reid?  By taking the new job he will have the opportunity to show what he can do.  Probably just brings Reid’s playbook to the WFT.

EB didn't call plays.  It's hard to know what he brought to the table, but when you also understand that Nagy and Pederson were OC with Ried in KC, they also didn't call plays and it's not known what they brought to the table too...and they got HC jobs BEFORE KC won any super bowls.  

 

It's been all but accepted as fact that EB isn't a good interview.  That said, even if he isn't a well spoken guy, surely EB should have gotten a try at HC somewhere just based on Andy's other OC getting shots.  I mean...Nate Hackett, whose resume is apparently being Aaron Rodgers pal, got a HC job.  Anyhow....in my opinion, EB has been around Ried long enough as both a position coach and OC to know how this all works.  I think he'll bring the playbook but I do think you will get a guy who has been trained to know what to look for when breaking down another teams defense and knows what he's looking at when he sees the players on his own roster and he'll know how to use them.  I predict, that EB will surprise some people with what he's able to do.