Which one was worse ? 13 seconds or Cinci fail ?

[Don Dokken]

For me the total failure on Sunday almost dulled the pain of 13 seconds in retrospect. We'll never know, but who's to say if we hung on in that game last year's AFCCG at home wouldn't have looked...a little like what we just saw? I would like to think not, but this is the first time we've really played this version of the Bengals. Maybe they are a uniquely terrible matchup for us. 
 

But man did 13 seconds suck.

[BillsFan692]

4 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

After listening to Beane defend Brown yesterday among other things and listening to McD say we're a good football team, I have this unsettling feeling they're gonna run it back next year pretty much as is.  Not only that but they'll draft another frickin DE in the first round.

Very possible. Very upsetting. 

[dpberr]

"Cinci Fail" is my pick.  That lifeless, dazed showing in a home playoff game  before an adoring crowd was inexcusable, and an organizational failure.  

 

 

[Bill from NYC]

5 minutes ago, DCbillsfan said:

After listening to Beane defend Brown yesterday among other things and listening to McD say we're a good football team, I have this unsettling feeling they're gonna run it back next year pretty much as is.  Not only that but they'll draft another frickin DE in the first round.

I think that it depends on whether or not they believe that Tre will ever come back 100%. If they think that he will not, McDermott will probably grab a first round corner. If they think that he will, I predict a safety instead.

[Your Brown Eye]

13 seconds. I was watching the game when we were about to kick-off, telling those I was with, "alright, what they are going to do or should do is squib it and take off maybe 4-5 seconds, and then there would be 8-9 seconds left". Then he booted it. I proceeded to scream at the tv because none of the secondary defenders were on screen because they played so far back on 1st down. I was sure as **** confident that they would not call a defense like that again...to my dismay... no secondary in sight on second down. In two plays they allow the chiefs to go what 30-40 yards to get into field goal position. Not even challenge them, just here you go fellas take whatever you need. Wasn't there a clip where Kelce went up to Mahomes and say if they run that defense again I'm open for 20 yards and that will get us in FG range? It was so infuriating watching that all play out. That will go down in Bills lore...with music city miracle, with wide right, etc.

 

With Cincinnati, you could definitely say they were outcoached and outmatched, but you could also say with everything that happened to the team and city since the start of the season, it was just became to heavy of a burden to bear. Physically, emotionally, everything. It would have been story-book to win the whole damn thing this year, but I think we continually saw the writing on the wall get bigger and bigger with each "tragedy" or "hardships". I think they could've beat KC, IF, they beaten the Bengals which I was not sure they could, but I do not think they would have beaten the NFC representative in the Super Bowl to be completely honest.

[Gunsgoodtime]

1 hour ago, Inigo Montoya said:

Let's keep the masochism going!

 

Which was worse?

 

When your surgeon amputated the wrong leg?

 

    OR

 

When you caught your wife sleeping with your best friend?

Never had a leg amputation, so I cant really compare 

Edited January 26, 2023 by Gunsgoodtime

[DCbillsfan]

11 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said:

I think that it depends on whether or not they believe that Tre will ever come back 100%. If they think that he will not, McDermott will probably grab a first round corner. If they think that he will, I predict a safety instead.

I hear you Bill.  Either way, it's possibly another lost opportunity to either protect Allen with a quality OL or get him another WR to pair with Diggs.  I hope we're wrong.

Edited January 26, 2023 by DCbillsfan

[Repulsif]

to summarize it in another way in my mind

 

this was 13 seconds (watch until the end if you somehow haven't watched the movie)

 

 

 

 

this was Cinci

 

 

[PBF81]

I guess that it depends upon how "worse" is defined.  

 

To me the Cinci game was worse.  It was resultant from an entire systemic failure of the team.  The O, the D, coaching at all levels, preparation (horrid), execution (a cut above horrid), etc.  

 

The 13-Seconds was resultant from a failure of the D only, as Allen, Davis, the offense was spectacular, better than the Chiefs, along with a non-systemic failure of the playoff rules, which had nothing to do with our performance.  

 

At the end of the day, we realized we got screwed, some self-made, some from the O/T rules, but we realized that we played well and that there was hope, the hope that led to us being favorites this year.  

 

After the Cinci game, there isn't anywhere near the same level of hope.  We're trending downward.  The risks rather than the benefits of the expensive Von Miller contract have played out and we now have an injured player that will be 34 next year, with an injury that often leaves players less than they were prior to that, which is not something we need for a 34-year old player.  We're going to lose some key players and we don't have that many key players to lose.  

 

The Cinci loss has the greater far-reaching implications and emotional impact.  

 

[JerseyBills]

46 minutes ago, May Day 10 said:

I wonder if the Bengals game happened last year, we would have AJ Brown.

Great point.  

1a on the offseason list is finding a legit 1b WR to take the double off Diggs

Brown would have certainly had that impact 

Would have been the best 1-2 punch in the game 

With Davis and McKenzie being role players

 

I do love Shakir as our future slot but we still need that true 2nd WR

Edited January 26, 2023 by JerseyBills

[Gunsgoodtime]

38 minutes ago, Einstein said:

For me, 13 seconds was WAY worse.

 

I couldnt stop thinking about it for weeks.

 

 

I got blackout drunk and recorded the game, as great of a game as it was for NFL fans, as a Bills fan I still have not been able to bring myself to watch it

[HOUSE]

I was under to much pressure to vote

[Billz4ever]

59 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

Cincinnati was worse...With :13 seconds it was the end of the game and was just a few horrible plays.

 

With Cincinnati the team never even showed up, it was 14-0 before the offense even got a first down. The Bills sucked from about :13 seconds into the game, until the clock mercifully expired. The Bengals wanted to win and did so with ease.

 

It's a shame a number of players played so badly in their final game as a Buffalo Bill.

What? LMAO, we basically had our ticket punched to the AFCCG in :13 seconds and it was ripped away at the last second because of stupidity.  We simply got our butts whipped against Cincy.

[Arkady Renko]

50 minutes ago, WhoTom said:

 

When I caught my wife sleeping with my best friend, who also happened to be the surgeon who amputated the wrong leg.

 

 

And your wife was the one who convinced you not to sue for malpractice.  And the statute of limitations has now passed. 

[Albwan]

Both were bad, tho I found the playoff vs miami to be completely embarrassing, that was the exact moment i knew they DOA.

Truly felt like a loss.

[Billz4ever]

27 minutes ago, Don Dokken said:

For me the total failure on Sunday almost dulled the pain of 13 seconds in retrospect. We'll never know, but who's to say if we hung on in that game last year's AFCCG at home wouldn't have looked...a little like what we just saw? I would like to think not, but this is the first time we've really played this version of the Bengals. Maybe they are a uniquely terrible matchup for us. 
 

But man did 13 seconds suck.

Yep, I actually felt relieved after Sunday.

 

No heartbreaking plays at the end that snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.

Edited January 26, 2023 by Billz4ever

[JerseyBills]

Cincy game was worse for me because I'm going to be pessimistic all offseason 

13 seconds stung harder. For weeks. But I really believed the hype about this team especially after the Von signing. 

 

This L was worse because I bought into the hype and we got dominated.  I had tons of hope and sadness after 13 seconds.  Now I'm just hopeless about the future 

[Donuts and Doritos]

Cinci loss highlighted how bad the 13 seconds loss was. That was our chance, we were 13 seconds away, & now we're even further away. 

[Billz4ever]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

13 seconds by a light year. I still believe, and always will believe, had we beat kc last year, we would've won the superbowl. The bills had some fugly games last year, but they found their MOJO late last season. We were better than Cincinnati last year and believe we would've beaten them at home 

Offensively, we were on fire that postseason.  Josh was playing like a man possessed and we had our ticket punched to the AFCCG until some coaches that are supposed to be NFL-level defensive minded coaches couldn't figure out how to burn :13 second off the clock without allowing the other team to go 40 yards.

Edited January 26, 2023 by Billz4ever

[PrimeTime101]

13

[John from Riverside]

Cincinnati definitely for me felt like the team was in quicksand 

[PBF81]

12 minutes ago, Billz4ever said:

Offensively, we were on fire that postseason.  Josh was playing like a man possessed and we had our ticket punched to the AFCCG until some coaches that are supposed to be NFL-level defensive minded coaches couldn't figure out how to burn :13 second off the clock without allowing the other team to go 40 yards.

 

... in two plays with their single biggest (by a country mile) offensive players WIDE OPEN.  

[SoCal Deek]

Not even close. Thirteen seconds was a truly great game by all accounts and the Bills didn’t actually lose it in those I’ll fated seconds. They lost the game in overtime on a coin flip. This past Sunday’s game however was sheer embarrassment! An uninspired home team that quit on each other and their fans. 

[Billz4ever]

9 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

... in two plays with their single biggest (by a country mile) offensive players WIDE OPEN.  

Still blows my mind.  They could've literally gone up and bearhugged the receivers at the line on the first play, taken the 5-yard penalty and left them with 1 play that would've probably had to been some gadget play to pick up 35 yards.

Edited January 26, 2023 by Billz4ever

[Victory Formation]

What’s worse than all of these things combined is that Leslie Frazier is somehow still employed by the Buffalo Bills. 

[PatsFanNH]

2 hours ago, Repulsif said:

If I saw this topic monday or tuesday, I would have said, the answer is obvious and I wouldn't even have open this topic

 

I was stunned and pretty much disgusted with the 13 seconds. I thought they found a new imaginative way to fail, AGAIN.

I thought this was their best chance to get the Lombardi

But I had hope. Because without this fluke, I thought the team was overall great and the following season beginning was "great", smashing everyone, KC included

 

With the Cinci fail, I wasn't upset during the game, we were playing meh or risky and thought some dices rolled our way during the 8 games streak win

So I thought, we were due this loss, and better happening in divisional than SB, it was a complete one sided game and we had no chance

 

But the days are rolling, and the more and more I feel ... ANGRY. And it gets worse and worse.

It shouldn't and I don't know why exactly

Perhaps I realized this team has too much holes and/or bad schemes when it counts

Perhaps I realized this team is the verge to be the next '90 Dolphins or '05-10 Chargers, and all of this will be put in a bin

I realized I never posted that much number of messages since I joined, 2001 (or 2003 ?), something like 10-15 in a 4 days span, which is massive for me

 

What's your take on this and has @HOUSE a psychology degree to help me ?

 

I would think it would be 13 seconds since you felt you had the game won. That’s like for a Pats fan the loss in the SB to go 18-1 hurts the most followed by losing to the Eagles because BB refused to play Butler because he had a damn argument with Patricia.  Trust me the Bills will have those type losses in the SB if your team keeps improving. I think this year your team was done after the injury.

[Rico]

13 seconds. Sometimes you just end up getting your ass kicked... last year it was the Colts, this year it was the Bengals, too bad it was in the playoffs.

[Chaos]

13 seconds was the worst coaching choke job in NFL history.  It does not even have a close contender. The stomping the Bills took against Cincy was nother horific example of bad game coaching. But lots of teams have been stomped in the playoffs due to bad coaching. So not that big of a deal. 

[eSJayDee]

Every team has games where they're flat &/or not playing their best.  The latter part of the season, we weren't playing that well & IMO were lucky to win all those games.  We just didn't show up against Cincy & got our butts whooped.  And, as a fan, realizing what they team had gone through, I think it's quite understandable to have a letdown.

As for the 13 seconds... we were a very good team, playing well & improved toward the end of the season & we just crapped the bed.  So annoying to collapse like that & really inexcusable.

[SoCal Deek]

And if they had beat the Chiefs last year they’d have earned the right to play…yep… the Bengals, in Orchard Park and gotten beat just like they did on Sunday. 

[Scott7975]

Im back and forth on this.

 

13 secs:  We at least competed and were right there on the cusp but that was a collosal failure to lose in 13 seconds. That should never happen and possibly cost us a SB.

 

Cinci:  We didnt even compete.  Our team was so outclassed and outcoached that day that its hard to think we are even SB competitors at this point.

 

I'm not sure which I feel is worse.

[Nextmanup]

Cinci loss is MUCH worse.

 

13 seconds HURT a lot more, but that's different.

 

We basically won the 13 second game and a flukey situation resulted in a loss.

 

The Cinci game was about us running into a straight up better team with much better coaching and it revealed flaws in how we continually do things, which if not fixed going forward, will result in further playoff losses.

 

We are do for a slight regression next year; you ca argue this year already was a regression.

 

 

[Scott7975]

12 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

And if they had beat the Chiefs last year they’d have earned the right to play…yep… the Bengals, in Orchard Park and gotten beat just like they did on Sunday. 

 

Thats a possibility but not a given.  Our team was on fire last season.  Especially in the playoffs.  What happened this year against the Bengals is not the same as what might have happened last season.  The Bengals werent even playing as good last year as they are this year.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:

 

Thats a possibility but not a given.  Our team was on fire last season.  Especially in the playoffs.  What happened this year against the Bengals is not the same as what might have happened last season.  The Bengals werent even playing as good last year as they are this year.

And if my Aunt had $&&$ she’d be my uncle. 😉

[Scott7975]

Just now, SoCal Deek said:

And if my Aunt had $&&$ she’d be my uncle. 😉

 

I mean that kinda applies more to your statement then mine.  You are saying we definitely would have lost.  I am saying we dont know.  There is no way to know.

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Scott7975 said:

 

I mean that kinda applies more to your statement then mine.  You are saying we definitely would have lost.  I am saying we dont know.  There is no way to know.

And all I’m saying is that people continue to act like beating the Chiefs would have guaranteed us a Super Bowl appearance. One week later and the Chiefs were eliminated themselves. 

[Livinginthepast]

18 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

And if they had beat the Chiefs last year they’d have earned the right to play…yep… the Bengals, in Orchard Park and gotten beat just like they did on Sunday. 

Absolutely zero chance that would have happened as it did on Sunday. The Bengals were not ready for primetime last year. This year though they have matured and made a huge leap up. The SB game last year was the Bengals to win and they werent even close to the quality enough to finish!

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Livinginthepast said:

Absolutely zero chance that would have happened as it did on Sunday. The Bengals were not ready for primetime last year. This year though they have matured and made a huge leap up. The SB game last year was the Bengals to win and they werent even close to the quality enough to finish!

Not sure how anyone thinks so. The Bengals went into Arrowhead and beat the Chiefs the very next week…and then they almost won the Super Bowl. Everything else is just sports bar talk. 

[stlbills13]

Would you rather your bride leave you at the altar or have a front row seat to the woman of your dreams get married

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, stlbills13 said:

Would you rather your bride leave you at the altar or have a front row seat to the woman of your dreams get married

I’m guessing you’ll see both. 😂