Jerry Jabber Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Since Beane/McDermott have been with the Bills since 2017, the Bills have had seven 1st round picks, five of which have been used on the defense, two of them for the offense [Allen, Diggs (1st used in the trade to the Vikings)]. Without a doubt, Allen is a generational talent at QB, but outside of Diggs, the Bills WR is full of underachievers. Davis underwhelmed as a #2 WR and is a #3 WR at best. McKenzie could not handle the starting slot WR role. Crowder, Shakir and the others were either slot or gadget type players. Beasley and Brown were brought back to the team because of how badly the WR corps performed (outside of Diggs). Since 2017, the highest the Bills drafted a WR was in the 2nd round [Zay Jones], the rest have been all between the 4th and 7th rounds: Ray Ray McCloud – 6th round (2018) Austin Proehl – 7th round (2018) 2019 – No WRs drafted Gabe Davis – 4th round (2020) Isaiah Hodgins – 6th round (2020) Marquez Stevenson – 6th round (2021) Khalil Shakir – 5th round (2022) I don't understand why the Bills have not given Allen all the tools to be successful? Beane maneuvered up and down the draft board to get in position to draft Allen, then gave him a $258 million dollar contract. Why does Beane/McDermott undervalue the WR position so much? Diggs cannot do everything on his own. When Diggs is double covered and taken out of the game, the rest of the WR's struggle to get open and catch on a consistent basis. With drafting lower round WR's, most of the time, they're not going to be NFL ready in year one. It took Hodgins to year three to show he can stay healthy and show some promise, but instead, the Bills kept Shakir on the active roster and put Hodgins on the Practice Squad, by which Hodgins was signed by the Giants. So if it takes Shakir three years to show promise, are the Bills going to take another low round rookie and keep that unproven rookie over a player they took the time to develop and train (like Hodgins?) Hate to say it, but I feel Beane/McDermott value RB's higher than WR's as we've seen Singletary and Moss drafted in the 3rd and Cook in the second. Bottom line, Allen cannot do it all. Expecting Allen to continually stretch out plays, make things happen with his feet does not work out 100% of the time. Chiefs and Bengals have multiple weapons for Mahomes and Burrow, if the Bills are serious about winning a Superbowl, they need to give the same type of receivers to Allen before they waste all his good years. 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 WIth respect.. how are we supposed to know? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 McBean would rather draft Boogie Basham than a WR who can help Josh 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: McBean would rather draft Boogie Basham than a WR who can help Josh Or a LB with a top pick that has everyone scratching their heads. We are out of the playoffs again because the team uses draft capital 3 to 1 on Defense 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 You are stating an Eternal Mystery of Bills Football to which we would all like to know the answer. Next question why do Beane and McDermott place low value on improving the OL, by draft or FA? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Maybe we should take a page from the Chiefs and take them sooner? 2018 Tremon Smith Round 6 2019 Mecole Hardman Round 2 2020 None drafted 2021 Cornell Powell Round 5 2022 Skyy Moore Round 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 12 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: McBean would rather draft Boogie Basham than a WR who can help Josh I'd be OK if he drafted an OL who could protect Josh instead of Boogie Basham. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 4 of those guys are contributors in the league so I’d say they’ve drafted decent there. Had they hit on the defensive line picks there would be more to spread around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Here's an answer to both not spending #1s drafting WR or O-Line: For whatever reason they prefer veterans over rookies at both WR & O-line. The team has signed veteran free agents over drafting those spots on offense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 BUT tHeY TrADeD A fIrSt fOr DiGgS 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 This team would rather dress a guy like Jake Kumero, Siran Neil or Tawain Jones than Elam, Shakir or Hodgins. Just a mindless obsession with STs. And we aren’t even good at STs. It’s as senseless as it is infuriating. If you can’t play a real position and you are ST only, you better be a K/P/LS/Return specialist or you aren’t active on my team. Get the guys on the field that can help you score and stop them. STs has been completely phased out. There are barely any returns and when there are it’s a penalty. Kick the ball through the end zone of kick offs and out of bounds on punts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, Rc2catch said: 4 of those guys are contributors in the league so I’d say they’ve drafted decent there. Had they hit on the defensive line picks there would be more to spread around Solid analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 2 years ago our starters were diggs brown Beasley McKenzie with Davis as #4 and impressing as a rookie. last year we had diggs sanders Beasley Davis. to say we never gave him tools is beyond idiotic. The roster construction failed this year as crowder got hurt and Davis failed under pressure of trying to be #2 and McKenzie severely regressing and not being reliable. I don’t think anyone was seriously questioning our playmakers the past 3 years. As of right now though yea we need to put in work to fix this position. 2 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakAttack Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) Why? Well, I think part of it probably has something to do with maybe because the previous 2 years offense did not seem to be as much of an issue? Particularly, the passing game. I think most of us agreed where we would need an upgrade most was at running back. But after this season, and after yesterday's game, the need for a better WR2 became a seemingly greater priority than it was in the past. I don't think it's rocket science though. Needs change every year. Let's not forget how it used to seem like our WRs had very little issue getting open. So the system was working, at the time. Maybe it's Dorsey's fault? Don't know. When last season ended, it seemed like our offense was elite, ESPECIALLY in the passing game, but the lack of a pass rush kept us out of the Super Bowl, so the priority was pass rush and getting a faster/bigger/more athletic corner to add to our talented backfield. Then everyone got hurt. And things changed. I really always felt like the loss of Daboll was being so underrated when people automatically pegged us the Super Bowl favorites this season. And now Daboll is the NFL's coach of the year. Edited January 24, 2023 by BobBelcher 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 17 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Here's an answer to both not spending #1s drafting WR or O-Line: For whatever reason they prefer veterans over rookies at both WR & O-line. The team has signed veteran free agents over drafting those spots on offense. How is that working out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Because they are "Football guys" and McDermott in particular is a defense first sort of person. It's why an offensive minded HC would be a lot better. This game is about clever scheming on offense now. The whole "you win with defense" thing is long gone. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if he takes a frigging defensive lineman FIRST in the draft this year...saying we need to re-vamp things on the DL. It's like flushing the pick down the toilet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 18 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Here's an answer to both not spending #1s drafting WR or O-Line: For whatever reason they prefer veterans over rookies at both WR & O-line. The team has signed veteran free agents over drafting those spots on offense. They prefer veterans over rookies at all positions... In fact Davis (WR) and Brown (OL) played a lot as rookies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, BobBelcher said: Why? Well, I think part of it probably has something to do with maybe because the previous 2 years offense did not seem to be as much of an issue? Particularly, the passing game. I think most of us agreed where we would need an upgrade most was at running back. But after this season, and after yesterday's game, the need for a better WR2 became a seemingly greater priority than it was in the past. I don't think it's rocket science though. Needs change every year. Let's not forget how it used to seem like our WRs had very little issue getting open. So the system was working, at the time. Maybe it's Dorsey's fault? Don't know. I just think we need another reliable option in the passing game. Not necessarily a true #2 but someone that can do what Beasley did. Can get 8-10 yards and catch 4-5 a game. As to me Davis and Knox aren't reliable enough. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 12 minutes ago, Rocbillsfan1 said: 2 years ago our starters were diggs brown Beasley McKenzie with Davis as #4 and impressing as a rookie. last year we had diggs sanders Beasley Davis. to say we never gave him tools is beyond idiotic. The roster construction failed this year as crowder got hurt and Davis failed under pressure of trying to be #2 and McKenzie severely regressing and not being reliable. I don’t think anyone was seriously questioning our playmakers the past 3 years. As of right now though yea we need to put in work to fix this position. I actually was questioning them before the season even started, It was and immediate downgrade to 2 wr positions in my eyes. Unfortunately I was right 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShakAttack Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 minute ago, The Jokeman said: I just think we need another reliable option in the passing game. Not necessarily a true #2 but someone that can do what Beasley did. Can get 8-10 yards and catch 4-5 a game. As to me Davis and Knox aren't reliable enough. It's hard not to wonder if we didn't use Shakir enough? He made some great plays when we called his number this season. Makes you wonder, if he were given an expanded role, would he come through? Like Hodgins did for Daboll in NY. Yeah I know, completely different players, but my point is, is it a matter of how we are (incorrectly) evaluating our talent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted January 24, 2023 Author Share Posted January 24, 2023 13 minutes ago, Rocbillsfan1 said: 2 years ago our starters were diggs brown Beasley McKenzie with Davis as #4 and impressing as a rookie. last year we had diggs sanders Beasley Davis. to say we never gave him tools is beyond idiotic. The roster construction failed this year as crowder got hurt and Davis failed under pressure of trying to be #2 and McKenzie severely regressing and not being reliable. I don’t think anyone was seriously questioning our playmakers the past 3 years. As of right now though yea we need to put in work to fix this position. Never said the Bills “never” gave Allen the tools, I asked why do the Bills place such a low value on WR’s in the draft? Brown and Beasley were great FA signings, but they both got older and their production started to drop. Davis was good as a 3rd and 4th WR, not so much as a 2nd WR. Expecting lower round draft picks to make huge impacts as receivers was a flawed expectation. Not saying all lower round WR’s can’t be successful, but look at this year, thinking Shakir could step right into a starting role was very unrealistic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Just now, BobBelcher said: It's hard not to wonder if we didn't use Shakir enough? He made some great plays when we called his number this season. Makes you wonder, if he were given an expanded role, would he come through? Like Hodgins did for Daboll in NY. Yeah I know, completely different players, but my point is, is it a matter of how we are (incorrectly) evaluating our talent? Shakir did look good yesterday, Romo mentioned he could be good contributor next year. He might develop but a to me like him in the 4th guy role and do more than McKenzie can as a catcher. Just now, Jerry Jabber said: Never said the Bills “never” gave Allen the tools, I asked why do the Bills place such a low value on WR’s in the draft? Brown and Beasley were great FA signings, but they both got older and their production started to drop. Davis was good as a 3rd and 4th WR, not so much as a 2nd WR. Expecting lower round draft picks to make huge impacts as receivers was a flawed expectation. Not saying all lower round WR’s can’t be successful, but look at this year, thinking Shakir could step right into a starting role was very unrealistic. Nobody was expecting Shakir to start. The thought was Davis be his playoff self in the regular season and Crowder/McKenzie man the slot. The last two weren't close to filling the Beasley role. Shakir was more of the developing young WR ala 2019 Davis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 42 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: McBean would rather draft Boogie Basham than a WR who can help Josh Talk about a worthless pick. He is roughly as effective as IK Enemkpali or Copeland Bryan lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 I am bullish on Shakir. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted January 24, 2023 Author Share Posted January 24, 2023 17 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Shakir did look good yesterday, Romo mentioned he could be good contributor next year. He might develop but a to me like him in the 4th guy role and do more than McKenzie can as a catcher. Nobody was expecting Shakir to start. The thought was Davis be his playoff self in the regular season and Crowder/McKenzie man the slot. The last two weren't close to filling the Beasley role. Shakir was more of the developing young WR ala 2019 Davis. Disagree on Shakir. He was on the active roster over Hodgins and was talked up by the team and by WGR550. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Just now, Jerry Jabber said: Disagree on Shakir. He was on the active roster over Hodgins and was talked up by the team and by WGR550. Hodgins couldn't stay healthy nor play on ST. That's why he didn't stick around here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 1 hour ago, Jerry Jabber said: Since Beane/McDermott have been with the Bills since 2017, the Bills have had seven 1st round picks, five of which have been used on the defense, two of them for the offense [Allen, Diggs (1st used in the trade to the Vikings)]. Without a doubt, Allen is a generational talent at QB, but outside of Diggs, the Bills WR is full of underachievers. Davis underwhelmed as a #2 WR and is a #3 WR at best. McKenzie could not handle the starting slot WR role. Crowder, Shakir and the others were either slot or gadget type players. Beasley and Brown were brought back to the team because of how badly the WR corps performed (outside of Diggs). Since 2017, the highest the Bills drafted a WR was in the 2nd round [Zay Jones], the rest have been all between the 4th and 7th rounds: Ray Ray McCloud – 6th round (2018) Austin Proehl – 7th round (2018) 2019 – No WRs drafted Gabe Davis – 4th round (2020) Isaiah Hodgins – 6th round (2020) Marquez Stevenson – 6th round (2021) Khalil Shakir – 5th round (2022) I don't understand why the Bills have not given Allen all the tools to be successful? Beane maneuvered up and down the draft board to get in position to draft Allen, then gave him a $258 million dollar contract. Why does Beane/McDermott undervalue the WR position so much? Diggs cannot do everything on his own. When Diggs is double covered and taken out of the game, the rest of the WR's struggle to get open and catch on a consistent basis. With drafting lower round WR's, most of the time, they're not going to be NFL ready in year one. It took Hodgins to year three to show he can stay healthy and show some promise, but instead, the Bills kept Shakir on the active roster and put Hodgins on the Practice Squad, by which Hodgins was signed by the Giants. So if it takes Shakir three years to show promise, are the Bills going to take another low round rookie and keep that unproven rookie over a player they took the time to develop and train (like Hodgins?) Hate to say it, but I feel Beane/McDermott value RB's higher than WR's as we've seen Singletary and Moss drafted in the 3rd and Cook in the second. Bottom line, Allen cannot do it all. Expecting Allen to continually stretch out plays, make things happen with his feet does not work out 100% of the time. Chiefs and Bengals have multiple weapons for Mahomes and Burrow, if the Bills are serious about winning a Superbowl, they need to give the same type of receivers to Allen before they waste all his good years. ummmm….they traded a 1st for Diggs…… look at success/ failure rate of WRs picked high in the draft like top 20. https://www.drafthistory.com/positions/wr.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 McDs defense comes first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 The Bills could have easily had DK Metcalf...Fell right into our laps...In the 2nd...The 2nd!!! I'm still hurt...Wounded...I had so many plans... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted January 24, 2023 Author Share Posted January 24, 2023 (edited) 8 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Hodgins couldn't stay healthy nor play on ST. That's why he didn't stick around here. I remember he was injured his first two seasons, but the Bills still took the time to develop him and he showed a lot of promise in preseason. Not saying Hodgins would have put up huge numbers, but he looked a lot better with the Giants than Shakir did this year. 7 minutes ago, djp14150 said: ummmm….they traded a 1st for Diggs…… look at success/ failure rate of WRs picked high in the draft like top 20. https://www.drafthistory.com/positions/wr.html I said that about Diggs in my post, did you miss that? Edited January 24, 2023 by Jerry Jabber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Just now, Jerry Jabber said: I remember he was injured his first two seasons, but the Bills still took the time to develop him and he showed a lot of promise in preseason. Not saying Hodgins would have put up huge numbers, but he looked a lot better with the Giants than Shakir did this year. It's cuz Hodgins was starting with the Giants and as you eluded been around 3 years. Shakir is a rookie. Would I like Hodgins now to be our slot guy? Hell yeah but Shakir to me a more complete player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 50 minutes ago, Rocbillsfan1 said: 2 years ago our starters were diggs brown Beasley McKenzie with Davis as #4 and impressing as a rookie. last year we had diggs sanders Beasley Davis. to say we never gave him tools is beyond idiotic. The roster construction failed this year as crowder got hurt and Davis failed under pressure of trying to be #2 and McKenzie severely regressing and not being reliable. I don’t think anyone was seriously questioning our playmakers the past 3 years. As of right now though yea we need to put in work to fix this position. Beyond idiotic? Give me a break. It’s completely reasonable to question them. Davis was basically handed the WR2 gig after his big game against KC. They betted on him and lost. To make it worse, they didn’t bring in anyone for him to compete with, which is something they talk about ad nauseum. Crowder? Ok. Whatever. But on a one year deal with a history of injuries? McKenzie? How does this guy keep staying on this roster? All the criticism over the neglect at WR is completely warranted for Beane and McD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Jabber Posted January 24, 2023 Author Share Posted January 24, 2023 2 hours ago, whorlnut said: Beyond idiotic? Give me a break. It’s completely reasonable to question them. Davis was basically handed the WR2 gig after his big game against KC. They betted on him and lost. To make it worse, they didn’t bring in anyone for him to compete with, which is something they talk about ad nauseum. Crowder? Ok. Whatever. But on a one year deal with a history of injuries? McKenzie? How does this guy keep staying on this roster? All the criticism over the neglect at WR is completely warranted for Beane and McD. Agree 100% on Davis. After that, I don’t know what their plan was for #3 and #4 WR. Seemed Beane/McDermott were hoping Crowder and McKenzie would split the slot WR position, but even before Crowder got hurt, he wasn’t effective. In an expanded role, McKenzie regressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 12 hours ago, Jerry Jabber said: I remember he was injured his first two seasons, but the Bills still took the time to develop him and he showed a lot of promise in preseason. Not saying Hodgins would have put up huge numbers, but he looked a lot better with the Giants than Shakir did this year. I said that about Diggs in my post, did you miss that? your premise was Bills not drafting WRs high. i said they traded their 1st for a WR. How do you not count that? as I also said ( you ignored)…. Look at the success rate in drafting WRs with top 20 picks. Even top 50 drsfted. Their is a high failure rate. They don’t plan wasting a pick on an unpredictable position. As for Hodgins….. he didn’t play STs which hurt him. Buffalo hasn’t had big injuries with Diggs/ Davis for him to get a shot. from a structure standpoint in buffalo 5 WRs on a team—2 outside and slot, one who has speed if the others don’t. The 5 the could go to a rookie. You might have another on the team for returning/ special teams. thsts common in the nfl if you are back ups behind 2 very good players snd don’t get a chance until a PS pluck on you are a FA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Like just about everything else…this isn’t complicated! All you need to see to understand the utterly dismal state of the Bills player evaluation “process” is look at what Hodgins did when given a chance on the Giants, while the Bills then went dumpster diving for John Brown and Cole Beasley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 14 hours ago, Jerry Jabber said: Since Beane/McDermott have been with the Bills since 2017, the Bills have had seven 1st round picks, five of which have been used on the defense, two of them for the offense [Allen, Diggs (1st used in the trade to the Vikings)]. Without a doubt, Allen is a generational talent at QB, but outside of Diggs, the Bills WR is full of underachievers. Davis underwhelmed as a #2 WR and is a #3 WR at best. McKenzie could not handle the starting slot WR role. Crowder, Shakir and the others were either slot or gadget type players. Beasley and Brown were brought back to the team because of how badly the WR corps performed (outside of Diggs). Since 2017, the highest the Bills drafted a WR was in the 2nd round [Zay Jones], the rest have been all between the 4th and 7th rounds: Ray Ray McCloud – 6th round (2018) Austin Proehl – 7th round (2018) 2019 – No WRs drafted Gabe Davis – 4th round (2020) Isaiah Hodgins – 6th round (2020) Marquez Stevenson – 6th round (2021) Khalil Shakir – 5th round (2022) I don't understand why the Bills have not given Allen all the tools to be successful? Beane maneuvered up and down the draft board to get in position to draft Allen, then gave him a $258 million dollar contract. Why does Beane/McDermott undervalue the WR position so much? Diggs cannot do everything on his own. When Diggs is double covered and taken out of the game, the rest of the WR's struggle to get open and catch on a consistent basis. With drafting lower round WR's, most of the time, they're not going to be NFL ready in year one. It took Hodgins to year three to show he can stay healthy and show some promise, but instead, the Bills kept Shakir on the active roster and put Hodgins on the Practice Squad, by which Hodgins was signed by the Giants. So if it takes Shakir three years to show promise, are the Bills going to take another low round rookie and keep that unproven rookie over a player they took the time to develop and train (like Hodgins?) Hate to say it, but I feel Beane/McDermott value RB's higher than WR's as we've seen Singletary and Moss drafted in the 3rd and Cook in the second. Bottom line, Allen cannot do it all. Expecting Allen to continually stretch out plays, make things happen with his feet does not work out 100% of the time. Chiefs and Bengals have multiple weapons for Mahomes and Burrow, if the Bills are serious about winning a Superbowl, they need to give the same type of receivers to Allen before they waste all his good years. I agree with your overall point. The lack of resources allocated to WR is a very big problem and we’ve seen the results. I don’t think that Davis would be good in the slot though. He is more of a straight line guy who has some issues with separation. A stud slot WR would be the path of we keep Davis as a starter. It would work very well if the new addition could play inside or out so that we could take Davis off the field in two WR sets. One minor note - Mahomes has Kelce, but little else in the way of quality receiving options. His WRs are not special at all. Previously he had one of the best with Hill, but he hasn’t missed a beat this season without him. Burrow’s WR corps is stacked, obviously. Anything remotely close to that would be amazing to have here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 Why do they suck at drafting and developing OL? why did we do little to help the offense the last few drafts? why do they not get TE's more involved in the passing attack? why do we not have a short game to counter teams who blitz or play us deep? WHY ? WHY? WHY? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 14 hours ago, Jerry Jabber said: Since Beane/McDermott have been with the Bills since 2017, the Bills have had seven 1st round picks, five of which have been used on the defense, two of them for the offense [Allen, Diggs (1st used in the trade to the Vikings)]. Without a doubt, Allen is a generational talent at QB, but outside of Diggs, the Bills WR is full of underachievers. Davis underwhelmed as a #2 WR and is a #3 WR at best. McKenzie could not handle the starting slot WR role. Crowder, Shakir and the others were either slot or gadget type players. Beasley and Brown were brought back to the team because of how badly the WR corps performed (outside of Diggs). Since 2017, the highest the Bills drafted a WR was in the 2nd round [Zay Jones], the rest have been all between the 4th and 7th rounds: Ray Ray McCloud – 6th round (2018) Austin Proehl – 7th round (2018) 2019 – No WRs drafted Gabe Davis – 4th round (2020) Isaiah Hodgins – 6th round (2020) Marquez Stevenson – 6th round (2021) Khalil Shakir – 5th round (2022) I don't understand why the Bills have not given Allen all the tools to be successful? Beane maneuvered up and down the draft board to get in position to draft Allen, then gave him a $258 million dollar contract. Why does Beane/McDermott undervalue the WR position so much? Diggs cannot do everything on his own. When Diggs is double covered and taken out of the game, the rest of the WR's struggle to get open and catch on a consistent basis. With drafting lower round WR's, most of the time, they're not going to be NFL ready in year one. It took Hodgins to year three to show he can stay healthy and show some promise, but instead, the Bills kept Shakir on the active roster and put Hodgins on the Practice Squad, by which Hodgins was signed by the Giants. So if it takes Shakir three years to show promise, are the Bills going to take another low round rookie and keep that unproven rookie over a player they took the time to develop and train (like Hodgins?) Hate to say it, but I feel Beane/McDermott value RB's higher than WR's as we've seen Singletary and Moss drafted in the 3rd and Cook in the second. Bottom line, Allen cannot do it all. Expecting Allen to continually stretch out plays, make things happen with his feet does not work out 100% of the time. Chiefs and Bengals have multiple weapons for Mahomes and Burrow, if the Bills are serious about winning a Superbowl, they need to give the same type of receivers to Allen before they waste all his good years. Mahomes lost Tyreek and had there 1st round RB sit behind a 7th rounder this year. Brought in a couple of retreads at WR. Mahomes is better than Josh. It's that simple and it's ok to say. Right?!? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 14 hours ago, buffblue said: Talk about a worthless pick. He is roughly as effective as IK Enemkpali or Copeland Bryan lol I thought he had a nice game against Miami Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted January 24, 2023 Share Posted January 24, 2023 15 hours ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: McBean would rather draft Boogie Basham than a WR who can help Josh Hey he was number 7 tight end in the class A division in HS! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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