Eric Moulds - this week’s legend of the game

[BillsFan619]

Eric Moulds was one of my favorite Bills during that era.

 

I’m sure when he watches JA play at the stadium on Sunday, he’ll be wishing he had him at QB when he played instead of the likes of Todd Collins, Rob Johnson, Doug Flutie, Alex Van Pelt, Drew Bledsoe, J.P. Losman and Kelly Holcomb.

 

Where do you think Moulds would rank in Bills and in NFL history if he had JA as his QB?

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/eric-moulds-named-legend-game-104520649.html

[BruceVilanch]

Imagine Moulds with Josh.

[TheBrownBear]

2 minutes ago, BruceVilanch said:

Imagine Moulds with Josh.

A Josh/Diggs/Moulds pairing would be unstoppable.  

[mikemac2001]

2 minutes ago, BruceVilanch said:

Imagine Moulds with Josh.

I always like to compare him and Marvin Harrison and if the picks were swapped their legacy’s likely would have been as well. 

I liked both WRs but man if moulds had a QB like manning wow 

[RocCityRoller]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan619 said:

Eric Moulds was one of my favorite Bills during that era.

 

I’m sure when he watches JA play at the stadium on Sunday, he’ll be wishing he had him at QB when he played instead of the likes of Todd Collins, Rob Johnson, Doug Flutie, Alex Van Pelt, Drew Bledsoe, J.P. Losman and Kelly Holcomb.

 

Where do you think Moulds would rank in Bills and in NFL history if he had JA as his QB?

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/eric-moulds-named-legend-game-104520649.html

 

HOF easy.

 

No disrespect to Reed, but Moulds was the prototype NFL WR.

I think of AJ Green prior gen and AJ Brown this gen when I think of Moulds.

Imagine if Moulds would have been paired with Manning, or Brady or Brees?, but sadly Moulds had pretty terrible QB play his whole career.

Still managed almost 10k receiving yards.

[BADOLBILZ]

4 minutes ago, BillsFan619 said:

 

Where do you think Moulds would rank in Bills and in NFL history if he had JA as his QB?

 

 

Maybe about the same yardage-wise.   

 

The Bills fed Moulds the ball relentlessly........more than they do Diggs now.

 

Aside from his amazing year in 1998 Moulds wasn't nearly the route runner at receiver that Diggs is........so he'd have been WR2 playing the Davis role.   

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, TheBrownBear said:

A Josh/Diggs/Moulds pairing would be unstoppable.  

Maybe Gabe can turn into a Moulds type receiver. It took Moulds a minute to become dominate. Maybe Gabe should reach out to Eric for some pointers

[BADOLBILZ]

55 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

 

HOF easy.

 

No disrespect to Reed, but Moulds was the prototype NFL WR.

I think of AJ Green prior gen and AJ Brown this gen when I think of Moulds.

Imagine if Moulds would have been paired with Manning, or Brady or Brees?, but sadly Moulds had pretty terrible QB play his whole career.

Still managed almost 10k receiving yards.

 

 

Andre Reed was a much smoother athlete with a lot better hands than Moulds.........and a much better YAC guy(the best in the NFL in his prime) and that's why he was still putting up big ypc numbers at age 33 with the likes of Todd Collins as his QB.

 

Moulds 1998 was the best season a Bills WR has ever had.........but he peaked in that breakout year at age 25 and the decline was steady and noticeable and he was just a hard handed possession receiver by age 30.   

 

It's an insult to Andre Reed to be compared to Moulds.   

 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

May have to break out the worn out red Moulds jersey Sunday 

[BADOLBILZ]

2 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Maybe Gabe can turn into a Moulds type receiver. It took Moulds a minute to become dominate. Maybe Gabe should reach out to Eric for some pointers

 

What Gabe could learn from Moulds is how to be a mean SOB with the ball in the air.    By 2001 Eric Moulds was really struggling to separate from CB's but when Bledsoe came in the next year he just kept throwing it to him and Moulds would bash CB's on 50/50 balls.   He would assault those dudes.   The NFL has decided to go back to old school pass defense rules this year and the physicality has really taken a toll on Gabe.   If you see a DB getting a little physical with Gabe,  he has a hard time getting his focus back on the ball when he's gotten away from the contact let alone THRU contact.

 

He is getting testy about the perception that he's a ball dropper though...........one of our group asked to him to catch a damn contested pass after that series where Allen threw 2 straight go routes to him and Gabe pointed angrily and told him to go f*ck himself.    I like that spirit!

[extrahammer]

 

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Maybe about the same yardage-wise.   

 

The Bills fed Moulds the ball relentlessly........more than they do Diggs now.

 

Aside from his amazing year in 1998 Moulds wasn't nearly the route runner at receiver that Diggs is........so he'd have been WR2 playing the Davis role.   

 

Please continue comparing Andre's prime with Kelly to Moulds' prime with Rob Johnson, Doug Flutie, Todd Collins, Alex Van Pelt, and Drew Bledsoe lol. A prime Moulds with JA would have made him look better than Randy Moss. Moulds came within 4,000 yards of Reed's 13,000 career yards, even though Reed played 5 more seasons than Moulds. He will and should be considered one of the biggest wastes of talent in Bills history thanks to our haunting ineptitude after the Super Bowl era team. For god's sake he put up over 1,000 yards with Rob Johnson as his QB in a season. 

Edited January 20, 2023 by extrahammer

[TheBrownBear]

31 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Maybe Gabe can turn into a Moulds type receiver. It took Moulds a minute to become dominate. Maybe Gabe should reach out to Eric for some pointers

Nowhere close to Moulds' athleticism and strength.  Gabe can get better, but he will never come close to being in the class of a Moulds. 

[ChevyVanMiller]

1 hour ago, BruceVilanch said:

Imagine Moulds with Josh.

[TheBrownBear]

40 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Andre Reed was a much smoother athlete with a lot better hands than Moulds.........and a much better YAC guy(the best in the NFL in his prime) and that's why he was still putting up big ypc numbers at age 33 with the likes of Todd Collins as his QB.

 

Moulds 1998 was the best season a Bills WR has ever had.........but he peaked in that breakout year at age 25 and the decline was steady and noticeable and he was just a hard handed possession receiver by age 30.   

 

It's an insult to Andre Reed to be compared to Moulds.   

 

I couldn't disagree more and I loved Reed - he was my favorite player as a kid/teen.  They were very different receivers, so it's hard to compare them, but prime Moulds was damn near unstoppable on the outside.  His quarterbacks sucked ass, so he did have to go up and ***** 50/50 balls. His comps are AJ Brown and a prime (one year wonder) David Boston.  He almost singlehandedly turned Doug Flutie into a Pro Bowler in 1998, and he was still damn dominant from 1999-2002 when he wasn't battling hamstring injuries.

 

Reed was more like Jerry Rice in a running back's frame.  Great over the middle and piled up tons of YAC yardage.  

 

Edit: LOL...you can't write sn@tch? 

Edited January 20, 2023 by TheBrownBear

[Buffalo Ballin]

Love Eric Moulds game. Him today paired with Josh Allen? Moulds would be the number one WR overall today.

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Maybe about the same yardage-wise.   

 

The Bills fed Moulds the ball relentlessly........more than they do Diggs now.

 

Aside from his amazing year in 1998 Moulds wasn't nearly the route runner at receiver that Diggs is........so he'd have been WR2 playing the Davis role.   

I agree with that we would just be getting more production out of molds. I don’t remember him dropping a lot of passes.

[BADOLBILZ]

33 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

 

 

Please continue comparing Andre's prime with Kelly to Moulds' prime with Rob Johnson, Doug Flutie, Todd Collins, Alex Van Pelt, and Drew Bledsoe lol. A prime Moulds with JA would have made him look better than Randy Moss. Moulds came within 4,000 yards of Reed's 13,000 career yards, even though Reed played 5 more seasons than Moulds. He will and should be considered one of the biggest wastes of talent in Bills history thanks to our haunting ineptitude after the Super Bowl era team. For god's sake he put up over 1,000 yards with Rob Johnson as his QB in a season. 

 

 

I literally compared 33 year old Andre Reed with Todd Collins to Moulds.

 

Reed was just a far better NFL receiver.

 

Moulds was a stiff, over-muscled bully-ball receiver.   He had no nuance and not much skill and was fed the ball more than any Bills WR........a still record 180 targets one season.......and yet some ignorant fans act like he was under utilized or not given the opportunity to put up numbers.

 

That's absurd.   WR1's are often given more opportunity than they deserve when they don't have a QB who can get to his 3rd or 4th reads.    See Josh Gordon's 1 great season.   See 2015 DeAndre Hopkins before Watson.   

 

Reed was a no doubt HOF player.    He wasn't a product of Kelly and Thomas........he probably got LESS action because the Bills were leading the league in rushing during those SB runs.   You need the skill and you need the longevity.    Moulds only had the skill for a few years and then he wasn't that type of player any longer.    It's not like he played 10 years at a high level.   Didn't happen. 

[extrahammer]

7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I literally compared 33 year old Andre Reed with Todd Collins to Moulds.

 

Reed was just a far better NFL receiver.

 

Moulds was a stiff, over-muscled bully-ball receiver.   He had no nuance and not much skill and was fed the ball more than any Bills WR........a still record 180 targets one season.......and yet some ignorant fans act like he was under utilized or not given the opportunity to put up numbers.

 

That's absurd.   WR1's are often given more opportunity than they deserve when they don't have a QB who can get to his 3rd or 4th reads.    See Josh Gordon's 1 great season.   See 2015 DeAndre Hopkins before Watson.   

 

Reed was a no doubt HOF player.    He wasn't a product of Kelly and Thomas........he probably got LESS action because the Bills were leading the league in rushing during those SB runs.   You need the skill and you need the longevity.    Moulds only had the skill for a few years and then he wasn't that type of player any longer.    It's not like he played 10 years at a high level.   Didn't happen. 

I’ve read some bad takes on here but this is probably one of the worst. Inventing excuses of why Moulds couldn’t produce with horrendous QB’s while inventing excuses Andre Reed couldn’t produce inside a much better offense, lol. The reason they threw to him is because literally they had no other receivers. Peerless Price and who else? I honestly might frame this take. 

Edited January 21, 2023 by extrahammer

[Buffalo Ballin]

For someone so negative about Eric Moulds, why post in this thread?

 

The Buffalo Bills still made him a legend. Also, why are you COMPARING ANYONE in the first place?

[BADOLBILZ]

19 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

I couldn't disagree more and I loved Reed - he was my favorite player as a kid/teen.  They were very different receivers, so it's hard to compare them, but prime Moulds was damn near unstoppable on the outside.  His quarterbacks sucked ass, so he did have to go up and ***** 50/50 balls. His comps are AJ Brown and a prime (one year wonder) David Boston.  He almost singlehandedly turned Doug Flutie into a Pro Bowler in 1998, and he was still damn dominant from 1999-2002 when he wasn't battling hamstring injuries.

 

Reed was more like Jerry Rice in a running back's frame.  Great over the middle and piled up tons of YAC yardage.  

 

Edit: LOL...you can't write sn@tch? 

 

 

Andre Reed wasn't in a RB's frame.   He was 6'2" with long arms and huge hands.   Same height as Moulds but a larger catch radius and much more elusive after the catch.   

 

Moulds 1998 season was unreal.   He averaged 11.8 yards per target that year.   Best season by a Bills WR ever.  

 

But he quickly dropped off and steadily declined by about a yard per catch each year.

 

By the time he turned 30 that was down to yards per target figure was 6.4.........despite having a big armed QB throwing him the ball 10x per game.

 

Easily the most overrated player in Bills history.   Very good but the fact that there are people out there that think he'd be the best WR in the NFL today is just asinine.    Stef Diggs could run circles around Frankenmoulds.

[extrahammer]

1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Andre Reed wasn't in a RB's frame.   He was 6'2" with long arms and huge hands.   Same height as Moulds but a larger catch radius and much more elusive after the catch.   

 

Moulds 1998 season was unreal.   He averaged 11.8 yards per target that year.   Best season by a Bills WR ever.  

 

But he quickly dropped off and steadily declined by about a yard per catch each year.

 

By the time he turned 30 that was down to yards per target figure was 6.4.........despite having a big armed QB throwing him the ball 10x per game.

 

Easily the most overrated player in Bills history.   Very good but the fact that there are people out there that think he'd be the best WR in the NFL today is just asinine.    Stef Diggs could run circles around Frankenmoulds.

He actually averaged over 20 yards per catch that season. Put down the sauce sir!

[Not Applicable]

Still the record holder for the most receiving yards (240 against Miami) in a playoff game.

 

You're gonna be really shocked here, but the Bills found a way to lose that game.

[BADOLBILZ]

1 minute ago, Buffalo Ballin said:

For someone so negative about Eric Moulds, why post in this thread?

 

The Buffalo Bills still made him a legend. Also, why are you COMPARING ANYONE in the first place?

 

 

When people try to re-write the past I set it straight.   Moulds picked a GF up by the neck and slammed her into the wall trying to choke her out on a Buffalo campus.........dodged his paltry child support in MS.........he kept the Bills attorney very busy early in his career and there was a lot of speculation that he would be cut outright heading into training camp of 1998.   Also reviled for spitting in opponents faces.   Kind of a scumbag.  Certainly not the kind of guy that people should go out of their way to make excuses as a player for.   He's best kept compartmentalized in the era he played in.   His domestic violence issue alone would have kept him out of the NFL today.

7 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

He actually averaged over 20 yards per catch that season. Put down the sauce sir!

 

 

Well yards per target and yards per catch are different things now, aren't they?   Feel dumb?  You should.

 

As I said.........that 1998 season was the best by a Bills receiver ever.    Some prisoners of the moment think Stef Diggs' seasons were better but Moulds was just amazing that year.

 

Unfortunately, being the blockhead that he was he went and put on 10 pounds of muscle,  mostly in his legs, that offseason and came into 1999 noticeably slower and lost that YAC aspect that he had in 1998.

[extrahammer]

5 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

When people try to re-write the past I set it straight.   Moulds picked a GF up by the neck and slammed her into the wall trying to choke her out on a Buffalo campus.........dodged his paltry child support in MS.........he kept the Bills attorney very busy early in his career and there was a lot of speculation that he would be cut outright heading into training camp of 1998.   Also reviled for spitting in opponents faces.   Kind of a scumbag.  Certainly not the kind of guy that people should go out of their way to make excuses as a player for.   He's best kept compartmentalized in the era he played in.   His domestic violence issue alone would have kept him out of the NFL today.

 

 

Well yards per target and yards per catch are different things now, aren't they?   Feel dumb?  You should.

 

As I said.........that 1998 season was the best by a Bills receiver ever.    Some prisoners of the moment think Stef Diggs' seasons were better but Moulds was just amazing that year.

 

Unfortunately, being the blockhead that he was he went and put on 10 pounds of muscle,  mostly in his legs, that offseason and came into 1999 noticeably slower and lost that YAC aspect that he had in 1998.

coming from a guy making as many poor excuses as you? No I don’t. But it is Friday night so yolo

[BADOLBILZ]

8 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

coming from a guy making as many poor excuses as you? No I don’t. But it is Friday night so yolo

 

Just the facts.

 

From 2000-2004 Moulds averaged a massive 150 targets per season.......he was given a ton of opportunity.........he is what he did.......no excuses necessary.

 

The post merger Bills receiver who doesn't get enough love is easily Andre Reed.

 

He averaged 13.9 yards per catch for his career........8.3 yards per target and caught about 60% of his passes.   All much higher than Moulds in addition to dwarfing his overall numbers.

 

Andre Reed had 4 productive seasons in the NFL before the age that Moulds decided to show up and play for the first time in his career(age 25).........and he was still putting up big yards per target and per catch numbers several years later into his career than Moulds........even with the likes of Billy Joe Hobert and Todd Collins at QB.

 

 

[Buffalo Ballin]

57 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

When people try to re-write the past I set it straight.   Moulds picked a GF up by the neck and slammed her into the wall trying to choke her out on a Buffalo campus.........dodged his paltry child support in MS.........he kept the Bills attorney very busy early in his career and there was a lot of speculation that he would be cut outright heading into training camp of 1998.   Also reviled for spitting in opponents faces.   Kind of a scumbag.  Certainly not the kind of guy that people should go out of their way to make excuses as a player for.   He's best kept compartmentalized in the era he played in.   His domestic violence issue alone would have kept him out of the NFL today.

 

 

Well yards per target and yards per catch are different things now, aren't they?   Feel dumb?  You should.

 

As I said.........that 1998 season was the best by a Bills receiver ever.    Some prisoners of the moment think Stef Diggs' seasons were better but Moulds was just amazing that year.

 

Unfortunately, being the blockhead that he was he went and put on 10 pounds of muscle,  mostly in his legs, that offseason and came into 1999 noticeably slower and lost that YAC aspect that he had in 1998.

I wasn't aware about any of this stuff regarding Eric Moulds. Yikes. Yup, you're right. He would have been thrown out today. Good thing I don't have his jersey then.

 

I take back what I wrote about Eric Moulds. Anyways, he was ok (on the field) during his era. We didn't have anyone else. Peerless Price? Nah.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Can he still run a go route?

[HerdMentality]

I was in my prime. He was in his prime. He's my guy.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

His domestic violence issue alone would have kept him out of the NFL today.

 

 

 

I don't know. Joe Mixon and Tyreek Hill skated by just fine. And since these things happened early in Moulds career (still physically gifted) I imagine he would have skated by as well. 

[nedboy7]

Funny you say that. Was just watching a YouTube of Mould’s TDs. Dude was a stud. I love his style of play.  
 

 

Edited January 21, 2023 by nedboy7

[SinceThe70s]

Loved Moulds. Thought he had a year or two where he was a top 5 in the league in spite of who was chucking to him. Happy to see him get some recognition.

[purple haze]

8 hours ago, BillsFan619 said:

Eric Moulds was one of my favorite Bills during that era.

 

I’m sure when he watches JA play at the stadium on Sunday, he’ll be wishing he had him at QB when he played instead of the likes of Todd Collins, Rob Johnson, Doug Flutie, Alex Van Pelt, Drew Bledsoe, J.P. Losman and Kelly Holcomb.

 

Where do you think Moulds would rank in Bills and in NFL history if he had JA as his QB?

 

https://www.yahoo.com/sports/eric-moulds-named-legend-game-104520649.html

Moulds would be at the top if he had Josh Allen.  Lord have mercy, they would dominate even more than Allen and Diggs.  Moulds should have been a nationally known name based on his talent.   I think he will be on the wall eventually.  Not bad but he could’ve been HOF with consistent QB play.

[BullBuchanan]

8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Andre Reed was a much smoother athlete with a lot better hands than Moulds.........and a much better YAC guy(the best in the NFL in his prime) and that's why he was still putting up big ypc numbers at age 33 with the likes of Todd Collins as his QB.

 

Moulds 1998 was the best season a Bills WR has ever had.........but he peaked in that breakout year at age 25 and the decline was steady and noticeable and he was just a hard handed possession receiver by age 30.   

 

It's an insult to Andre Reed to be compared to Moulds.   

 

the same Andre Reed who had 4  1000 yard seasons and none back to back, and only hit 10 TDs once in a 16 year career despite being healthy, having Jim Kelly throwing to him for 12 of them and starting for the overwhelming majority of it?

[Billsfanatic8989]

Prime Moulds would be a HOF lock with J.A as his QB. Dude was ridiculous. 

[machine gun kelly]

Moulds was fantastic.  I enjoyed his interview today on WGR.  We’ll deserved.

[Nelius]

Favorite post SB era player. He was incredible. I still remember reading one of the few SI articles about him after his '98 season where guys like Moss and TO were singing his praises. He was a top 3-4 receiver for a few seasons in the late 90s when the league was full of hall of famers. Will probably always be underrated but even the best considered him a peer.

 

He wasn't better than Reed at all though. It's Diggs/Reed...Moulds. And that's awesome. 3rd best all time Bills WR is huge. If they all had Prime Allen as Diggs does now, I think they'd still fall in that order.

Edited January 21, 2023 by Nelius

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, purple haze said:

Moulds would be at the top if he had Josh Allen.  Lord have mercy, they would dominate even more than Allen and Diggs.  Moulds should have been a nationally known name based on his talent.   I think he will be on the wall eventually.  Not bad but he could’ve been HOF with consistent QB play.

Unfortunately that is the case for 75+ receivers over the years … moulds is not in a unique position 

 

He is not the first or last gifted receiver to play with less than ideal conditions … although his talent is top notch

[Dan Darragh]

Moulds once got flagged for "maliciously spinning the football."

 

The unsportsmanlike conduct is without a doubt the worst rule in football.  Taunting should be encouraged.

[extrahammer]

12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Just the facts.

 

From 2000-2004 Moulds averaged a massive 150 targets per season.......he was given a ton of opportunity.........he is what he did.......no excuses necessary.

 

The post merger Bills receiver who doesn't get enough love is easily Andre Reed.

 

He averaged 13.9 yards per catch for his career........8.3 yards per target and caught about 60% of his passes.   All much higher than Moulds in addition to dwarfing his overall numbers.

 

Andre Reed had 4 productive seasons in the NFL before the age that Moulds decided to show up and play for the first time in his career(age 25).........and he was still putting up big yards per target and per catch numbers several years later into his career than Moulds........even with the likes of Billy Joe Hobert and Todd Collins at QB.

 

 

 

It really doesn't matter how much production Reed had, it's clear you're going to do anything to smear Moulds talent and play, like attacking him personally.

What does that have anything to do with how he was on the field? 

 

At the end of the day, he had almost identical career numbers as Reed without any HOF quarterbacks... unlike Reed. He did just as much if not more with much less. 

[SoCal Deek]

He was a beast. Big body receiver. I don’t recall his measurables but many of todays physical receivers listed here are a great comparison for those too young to remember him.