Texas RB Bijan Robinson

[Solomon Grundy]

26 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

The team that did use that first rounder on him only got worse as an organization for investing so much in him.        

Poor QB play wasn't a factor? The major factor? 

[Victory Formation]

I’d rather we draft Njigba the WR from OSU who they mocked to go two picks later.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

He's a nice complement to a roster with a lot of dynamic passing game play makers while playing across from the league's best and most physical defense.

 

But he's had just three 1,000 yard rushing seasons in 6 years..........and the Niners didn't spend the 1st round pick on him either.

 

On a per-play basis.........he's actually been slightly less productive running the ball than Devin Singletary in their careers............and while he is a really good receiver for a RB his per play numbers are well below that of expectation for a good slot receiver.    

 

The team that did use that first rounder on him only got worse as an organization for investing so much in him.        

 

CMC is a great player... And he might be - the 5th most important player in that offense?  Maybe 6?  

 

Deebo - YAC machine that makes that offense go.  Built like a running back, and impossible to tackle.  

Aiyuk - Good route runner - and also a good blocker.  

Trent Williams - Possibly the best LT in football

Kittle - All pro tight end, fantastic blocker that helps the run game go

 

Having said that - and on the topic specific to Buffalo.  Since we'll be picking fairly late (my guess is somewhere around 31 since Miami lost their pick), i don't mind saying "this guy is head and shoulders so much higher than every other RB in this draft, and previous drafts; i'd be stupid NOT to pick him" 

Edited January 20, 2023 by Bleeding Bills Blue

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, FireChans said:

I mentioned a bunch of guys not named those lmao. Do you see Sanders and read Coates? 
 

Can you not show me a team

that has done better? Because you keep saying anyone and then not showing anyone.

 

 

 

 

Sanders didn't do much in Pittsburgh ( 2 decent years out of 4).  His career happened in Denver. 

 

So, yeah,  AJ Brown,  Smith-Shuster, D Johnson, Claypool (briefly), Wallace in the last 15 years. The rest?, nah.

Edited January 20, 2023 by Mr. WEO

[Tipster19]

Here’s some of my reasoning for Robinson being a good pick for us. The Bills have used 3 out of 4 years a high pick(s) on the RB position and they still don’t have a bell cow/elite RB. Using a late 1st rd pick also provides a 5th year option. Without getting into it too much but with our skilled position players’ contracts this option can provide big benefits to the roster shaping for the present and for the future.

 

Having an elite RB would actually help the 2nd WR position imo. Having one can help lessen the burden on that 2nd WR position. Something needs to be done NOW if you want to protect Josh. He cannot keep on going at this rate and still expect him to have any great length to his career. Simply put protect Josh from Josh because he will never pull up when it comes down to making a play on the field.

 

Under Kromer’s watch we led the league in rushing back 2015-2016. He is primarily a run block OL coach, less of a pass blocking coach. No doubt the Bills need better OL but they don’t have to be high draft picks, just better players. Anyone still remember Mike Williams? I do. To me drafting high OL are more of the exception than the rule, too many potential busts. 

 

Help in the secondary is always a need imo, especially at the Safety position currently but who is to say that Hamlin can never play football again and if so, under McDermott’s watch we have had a lot of success in that tier of defense without using a ton of high end resources in the draft. 
 

Make no mistake about it, a Kamara type RB like Robinson is EXACTLY what this offense needs and lacks at this time and also for the forebear able future. Imagine having Josh, Diggs, Davis or a better replacement, Beasley/Crowder/Shakir, Robinson and Cook with a revamped OL. Yeah, this works and I like it!

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 minutes ago, Tipster19 said:

Here’s some of my reasoning for Robinson being a good pick for us. The Bills have used 3 out of 4 years a high pick(s) on the RB position and they still don’t have a bell cow/elite RB. Using a late 1st rd pick also provides a 5th year option. Without getting into it too much but with our skilled position players’ contracts this option can provide big benefits to the roster shaping for the present and for the future.

 

Having an elite RB would actually help the 2nd WR position imo. Having one can help lessen the burden on that 2nd WR position. Something needs to be done NOW if you want to protect Josh. He cannot keep on going at this rate and still expect him to have any great length to his career. Simply put protect Josh from Josh because he will never pull up when it comes down to making a play on the field.

 

Under Kromer’s watch we led the league in rushing back 2015-2016. He is primarily a run block OL coach, less of a pass blocking coach. No doubt the Bills need better OL but they don’t have to be high draft picks, just better players. Anyone still remember Mike Williams? I do. To me drafting high OL are more of the exception than the rule, too many potential busts. 

 

Help in the secondary is always a need imo, especially at the Safety position currently but who is to say that Hamlin can never play football again and if so, under McDermott’s watch we have had a lot of success in that tier of defense without using a ton of high end resources in the draft. 
 

Make no mistake about it, a Kamara type RB like Robinson is EXACTLY what this offense needs and lacks at this time and also for the forebear able future. Imagine having Josh, Diggs, Davis or a better replacement, Beasley/Crowder/Shakir, Robinson and Cook with a revamped OL. Yeah, this works and I like it!

 

So... isn't Cook a Kamara type?  

[Mikie2times]

14 hours ago, GETTOTHE50 said:

Motor is probably going to walk with Cook & Hines splitting the rock. 

 

I don't see any RBs being signed unless they are UDFAs or a cheap FA option. 

I think he will be back. He won’t have a market so steep that we can’t be competitive and I see him giving us the home team discount to stay. 

[BADOLBILZ]

46 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

CMC is a great player... And he might be - the 5th most important player in that offense?  Maybe 6?  

 

Deebo - YAC machine that makes that offense go.  Built like a running back, and impossible to tackle.  

Aiyuk - Good route runner - and also a good blocker.  

Trent Williams - Possibly the best LT in football

Kittle - All pro tight end, fantastic blocker that helps the run game go

 

Having said that - and on the topic specific to Buffalo.  Since we'll be picking fairly late (my guess is somewhere around 31 since Miami lost their pick), i don't mind saying "this guy is head and shoulders so much higher than every other RB in this draft, and previous drafts; i'd be stupid NOT to pick him" 

 

Yeah he might be the 2nd or 3rd best RB in the NFL but yet he could be the 6th most important player on their offense.

 

That should tell you something..........RB is generally the least important individual player on offense in the game today.

 

Regarding the draft:

 

As I have been saying for a couple decades on TSW........the draft is a process not just an annual event.

 

You don't stray from your process from year to year.

 

To put a finer point on it.........the Bills first round pick at this stage is perhaps their only chance to acquire a player who could become a $20M-$30M per year market value premium position player.

 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, KzooMike said:

I think he will be back. He won’t have a market so steep that we can’t be competitive and I see him giving us the home team discount to stay. 

 

Barkley

Hunt

Williams

Jacobs

Mostert

Sanders

Wilson

Montgomery
Harris

Pollard

 

Thats quite a few dudes.  I don't know if he's back but i also don't know that we do much here and try and bring in a few UDFAs.  

Just now, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Yeah he might be the 2nd or 3rd best RB in the NFL but yet he could be the 6th most important player on their offense.

 

That should tell you something..........RB is generally the least important individual player on offense in the game today.

 

Regarding the draft:

 

As I have been saying for a couple decades on TSW........the draft is a process not just an annual event.

 

You don't stray from your process from year to year.

 

To put a finer point on it.........the Bills first round pick at this stage is perhaps their only chance to acquire a player who could become a $20M-$30M per year market value premium position player.

 

 

Late in the first is a good spot to get a 5 year contract value.  So look at a player who can make an impact (on field and financial) over that value.  A tackle if the value is there would be my hope.  Many have potential to kick inside early on, have plus athleticism, and can push spencer brown to play better. 

[BADOLBILZ]

34 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Barkley

Hunt

Williams

Jacobs

Mostert

Sanders

Wilson

Montgomery
Harris

Pollard

 

Thats quite a few dudes.  I don't know if he's back but i also don't know that we do much here and try and bring in a few UDFAs.  

 

Late in the first is a good spot to get a 5 year contract value.  So look at a player who can make an impact (on field and financial) over that value.  A tackle if the value is there would be my hope.  Many have potential to kick inside early on, have plus athleticism, and can push spencer brown to play better. 

 

For some people the need for difference makers at premium positions isn't seen as important for some reason..........so if you think you need a RB,  what can I say?........there are still desperate NFL teams with GM's/Coaches on short leashes that still do it(usually pretty soon before they are fired)........so until that stops there will always be some way for fans to justify it despite it being clearly illogical. 

 

So I will say this.........before people fall for the notion that THIS RB is different..........remember that Pacheco of the Chiefs ran for 3.9 yards per carry as a senior(not much below his feeble 4.3 ypc career average) at Rutgers and entered the NFL and ran for 4.9 ypc and over 800 yards for the Chiefs.

 

You won't see players at premium positions with that kind of production and low draft pick status breaking out for the first time in college or pro like that as an NFL rookie. 

 

It's by far the position on offense most reliant on the other 10 players on that side of the ball to succeed.

 

So take the college results and tape with a pile of salt as RB's go...........and then remember how little overall impact,  hell even just first contract impact,  that most 1st round RB's have produced for the team that selected them in the past 20 years.    

[billsbackto81]

17 hours ago, Tipster19 said:

Is there any shot for the Bills to draft him? He sure would make our offense a whole bunch different.

 

https://youtube.com/watch?v=5Mmtfmqb0MI&feature=shares

 

Daniel Jeremiah thinks so. 😄

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2023-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-texans-ravens-among-four-teams-selecting

 

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea… a first round pick would be even worse considering the investment they’ve already made at the position.

 

Seems like a byproduct of their days in Carolina where they devalued WR and overvalued RBs… guess they haven’t learned. Hopefully this year has really hammered home the point they need to invest more at the position.

More like a line of thinking that premium pic should go to the Defense
 

I mean, I’m not really complaining because I think Groot is going to be a very good player for us, but what I wouldn’t give for Mike Evans tee Higgins type player

 

Speed and size that can catch the ball

[1onemangang7]

1 hour ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

So... isn't Cook a Kamara type?  

I think he was just mistaken.  dude is more a Chubb type

[HOUSE]

I will watch YouTube 1 hour before the draft...

-Thanks

[Solomon Grundy]

48 minutes ago, billsbackto81 said:

Daniel Jeremiah thinks so. 😄

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2023-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-texans-ravens-among-four-teams-selecting

 

Jeremiah had Breece Hall mocked to the Bills last year too. 

[wppete]

I like him but we need Oline in the first 2 rounds! 

[RyanC883]

Daniel J has us taking him in the mock. Calls him too 10 talent at devalued position. Would have best backfield in nfl with him.  Get we and OL in fa and 2nd round—when the best C/G is likely there.  

[BADOLBILZ]

6 minutes ago, RyanC883 said:

Daniel J has us taking him in the mock. Calls him too 10 talent at devalued position. Would have best backfield in nfl with him.  Get we and OL in fa and 2nd round—when the best C/G is likely there.  

 

 

So what do you do with the RB that you used a 2nd round pick on and is averaging 5.7 yards per carry?     Give them the same split Cook has with Singletary?   Take the ball out of the hands of your QB to average about 2-3 yards less per play than throwing it at a 7.6 yards per attempt clip?

 

For guys like Jeremiah it's just a thoughtless pick.

 

The Bills have a franchise QB who has taken a beating the past two seasons but the answer isn't to run the ball more.   It's block better and give him more receivers who win matchups so he can go back to being that guy he was in 2020 who was making huge plays in the passing game while also completing nearly 70% of his passes and looked like he had 15 elite years in front of him.

[KOKBILLS]

I really like Robinson, and I seriously doubt he gets to the Bills anyway. But the very idea of a 1st Rd RB, no matter how good, makes no sense to me for the Bills. Plus, I think this will be a pretty decent RB Draft anyway...There's very likely going to be value on Day 3...

 

Even as early as it is, I would be shocked if the Bills don't go WR in the 1st...Granted other things can happen, and certainly Safety and O-Line will be possibilities, but I think Beane knows. We need another young weapon at WR. Maybe we get lucky too. Christian Watson went #34 overall...Pickens went #52...Just find the right guy, #17 will do the rest. 

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

So what do you do with the RB that you used a 2nd round pick on and is averaging 5.7 yards per carry?     Give them the same split Cook has with Singletary?   Take the ball out of the hands of your QB to average about 2-3 yards less per play than throwing it at a 7.6 yards per attempt clip?

 

For guys like Jeremiah it's just a thoughtless pick.

 

The Bills have a franchise QB who has taken a beating the past two seasons but the answer isn't to run the ball more.   It's block better and give him more receivers who win matchups so he can go back to being that guy he was in 2020 who was making huge plays in the passing game while also completing nearly 70% of his passes and looked like he had 15 elite years in front of him.

Why didn't Marino win a SB? How did Elway finally win a SB? Two of the better passers in NFL history. It's about winning a SB, isn't it? 

Edited January 21, 2023 by Solomon Grundy

[LeGOATski]

9 hours ago, billsbackto81 said:

Daniel Jeremiah thinks so. 😄

https://www.nfl.com/news/daniel-jeremiah-2023-nfl-mock-draft-1-0-texans-ravens-among-four-teams-selecting

 

And only one WR picked late in the round. Sheesh. Not a great WR class, according to that.

[GunnerBill]

10 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

So what do you do with the RB that you used a 2nd round pick on and is averaging 5.7 yards per carry?     Give them the same split Cook has with Singletary?   Take the ball out of the hands of your QB to average about 2-3 yards less per play than throwing it at a 7.6 yards per attempt clip?

 

For guys like Jeremiah it's just a thoughtless pick.

 

The Bills have a franchise QB who has taken a beating the past two seasons but the answer isn't to run the ball more.   It's block better and give him more receivers who win matchups so he can go back to being that guy he was in 2020 who was making huge plays in the passing game while also completing nearly 70% of his passes and looked like he had 15 elite years in front of him.

 

I will tell you exactly what it is for people like DJ because I have had the same with running backs in the past when mocking.... you work out "someone is going to take this guy round 1" and then you get to late 20s and you don't have him coming off the board.... so then you are looking for any team that doesn't have a true #1 back. 

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

And only one WR picked late in the round. Sheesh. Not a great WR class, according to that.

 

I don't think it is a great receiver class. Indeed the more I look at it the less I like it. It is one of those "there will be a good player or two here but it could be any one of about 8" receiver groups.

[LeGOATski]

8 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think it is a great receiver class. Indeed the more I look at it the less I like it. It is one of those "there will be a good player or two here but it could be any one of about 8" receiver groups.

Maybe that just means the Bills end up with a great WR at the end of the 1st round. That'd be nice.

[GunnerBill]

5 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:

Maybe that just means the Bills end up with a great WR at the end of the 1st round. That'd be nice.

 

I think that is possible. But it will probably involve a bit of risk. There will be "safer" choices on the board I suspect but the pay off on getting the right receiver on a 5 year rookie deal is considerable.

[Solomon Grundy]

When I watch Josh Allen play, I can't help but compare him to John Elway. The cannon arm, the mobility, the size, the improvisational skills. Elway, like Josh, was that dude!! Denver initially tried to surround Elway with all kinds of receiver help trying to win the title. There was the "three amigos". They added a HOF TE in Shannon Sharpe. Still the trophy alluded them. Enter Terrell Davis. The do-it-all RB. Yeah, he was a late round selection but he was the piece that got them over the hump with his skills. Bijan possesses those same skills. Stop over analyzing the draft process and get Josh that piece to help win the chip

[BADOLBILZ]

13 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Why didn't Marino win a SB? How did Elway finally win a SB? Two of the better passers in NFL history. It's about winning a SB, isn't it? 

 

 

As I said.........too many people here still living in the 20th century.    What about this century?   The few star RB's who have been key cogs on teams that won SB's were traded or signed in UFA after disappointing at previous destinations.    They were value acquisitions.    And there weren't even many of them,  especially in the past decade.  Teams that draft RB's in round 1 don't win SB's with those players.   It's too much of an investment for the least individually important,  most teammate-reliant performer on offense. 

 

 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Solomon Grundy said:

When I watch Josh Allen play, I can't help but compare him to John Elway. The cannon arm, the mobility, the size, the improvisational skills. Elway, like Josh, was that dude!! Denver initially tried to surround Elway with all kinds of receiver help trying to win the title. There was the "three amigos". They added a HOF TE in Shannon Sharpe. Still the trophy alluded them. Enter Terrell Davis. The do-it-all RB. Yeah, he was a late round selection but he was the piece that got them over the hump with his skills. Bijan possesses those same skills. Stop over analyzing the draft process and get Josh that piece to help win the chip

 

But the league is nothing like it was in the mid 90s. 

[Dr. Who]

9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

But the league is nothing like it was in the mid 90s. 

Damn, neither am I.

[BigAl2526]

Well, he's currently a fashionable pick for the Bills among a number of mock drafters.  Many like him and a few suggest he's the best RB prospect to come out in a while.  He could drop because he is a RB and RBs are not highly valued as first round picks.  Ultimately it depends on how the first round plays out.  Buffalo does have greater needs.  Offensive line has been noted by posts in this thread, but as I see the first round it's not likely there will be a solid value on the offensive line available in the last 5 picks of the first round.  There may be a solid value at safety available in that spot, but it's not a sure thing.  Depending on what happens with Jordan Poyer's contract situation and free agency there could be a real need there.  Buffalo could upgrade at WR, and there may be some value there late in round 1.  I know it's cliche but Buffalo will probably go for best player available.  There is at least a chance Robinson would be available and would be the BPA.

[Sgt. Ski]

On 1/20/2023 at 12:17 AM, Tipster19 said:

Is there any shot for the Bills to draft him? He sure would make our offense a whole bunch different.

 

https://youtube.com/watch?v=5Mmtfmqb0MI&feature=shares

 

Thats my boy. Will be a hall of famer.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

I would prioritize a center/guard, a safety, a wr, a linebacker, even a corner before rb

 

With that said if he is available he is very good and wouldn't be apposed to it. But really depends on what the teams in front of us do and what's left on the board 

[OldTimer1960]

On 1/20/2023 at 6:47 AM, John from Riverside said:

I was shocked that they took a running back in the second round as it is
 

Wide receiver, or office of lineman, please

Who would the WR or OL be?  As much as I would love a great WR prospect to pair with Diggs, I don’t think there will be one there unless they reach for a lesser outside prospect or are willing to draft a slot receiver in round 1.  This is reportedly a weak WR draft class, though I really like Josh Downs, Zay Flowers and kind of like Parker Washington as slot options.  Would have to take Downs in the first as he will be long gone before late 2nd.  I don’t think Flowers will make it to late 2nd either, but Washington might.

 

in terms of outside WR in late first, I don’t really see one, unless you like Rashee Rice.

[Mr. WEO]

The League is ripe for another Texas RB.  Ricky Williams was a long time ago….

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21 hours ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Why didn't Marino win a SB? How did Elway finally win a SB? Two of the better passers in NFL history. It's about winning a SB, isn't it? 

I’d rather have an OL that can make any RB look great.

[BADOLBILZ]

7 hours ago, Sgt. Ski said:

Thats my boy. Will be a hall of famer.

 

Very unlikely.

 

The only potential HOF RB's drafted in the past 15 years are Derrick Henry and Marshawn Lynch...........but despite having a number of very good seasons the truth is their counting numbers don't stack up with the greats at this point so they aren't locks by any stretch.

 

Recent retirees Frank Gore and Adrian Peterson from the 2005 and 2007 drafts will be inducted in the coming years.........but the bar is high for RB's.........10K rushing yards and a SB ring isn't a lock........and the individuals at the position aren't very important anymore so wouldn't expect to see many(if any) drafted for the next 15 years either.

[Jay_Fixit]

On 1/20/2023 at 6:09 AM, Bruffalo said:

The only draft order I'll accept is OL - WR/Safety - OL - OL - OL - OL - OL and then we should probably pick up some undrafted lineman. 

Nope.

 

BPA-BPA-BPA-BPA-BPA-BPA-BPA

 

Otherwise LOL

[Solomon Grundy]

27 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Very unlikely.

 

The only potential HOF RB's drafted in the past 15 years are Derrick Henry and Marshawn Lynch...........but despite having a number of very good seasons the truth is their counting numbers don't stack up with the greats at this point so they aren't locks by any stretch.

 

Recent retirees Frank Gore and Adrian Peterson from the 2005 and 2007 drafts will be inducted in the coming years.........but the bar is high for RB's.........10K rushing yards and a SB ring isn't a lock........and the individuals at the position aren't very important anymore so wouldn't expect to see many(if any) drafted for the next 15 years either.

Only because of the 5 year shelf life most RBs are destined to play. I still think there's an outside chance CMC gets there. Especially if he has a SB win on his resume

[Buffalo716]

32 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Only because of the 5 year shelf life most RBs are destined to play. I still think there's an outside chance CMC gets there. Especially if he has a SB win on his resume

There little chance cmc Makes it

[L Ron Burgundy]

I'd like a stud rb but we'd have to find a gem in the lower rounds kinda like kc did with Pacheco (though I'd want someone better of course).

Other needs first as others pointed out.