billvernsays Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) Can we figure out how to use an effective screen game? For years we haven't been able to run an effective screen while KC and Mahomes can count on 100-150 yards a week from theirs. I've heard from some folks that cover this team (cover 1) that this is due to the way defenses play us, (QB spy) on most plays which make it difficult to run a screen because the man who was responsible for Allen can read the play, quickly diagnose and blow up the screen. If that is the case couldn't we add a wrinkle such as a fake QB power to the right or left and set up the screen to the other side. If we executed this properly it would cause the spy to flow with to the side we are faking to as we run a screen to the other side (spy problem solved) . Also with Allen's incredibly strong arm, why don't we roll the pocket more and pair it with a flood concept to the side we're rolling to? I understand that doing this cuts the field down a bit but if we are dealing with a cover 2 or cover 3 zone wouldn't that in very simple terms put more guys in a specific area of the field then they have to defend while also helping out our sub par O-line? , Allen could fit the ball in those tight windows no problem as he's very comfortable and effective throwing on the run. Just my two cents Edited December 22, 2022 by billvernsays 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 We might be able to. We might not. 😃 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, billvernsays said: Can we figure out how to fix the screen game? For 4 years we haven't been able to run an effective screen while KC and Mahomes can count on 100-150 yards a week from theirs. I've heard this is due to the way defenses play us, (QB spy) on most plays which make it difficult to run a screen because the man who was responsible for Allen can go to blow up the screen. If that is the case couldn't we add a wrinkle like a fake QB power to the right or left and setting up the screen to the other side. This would cause the spy to flow with the fake as we run a screen to the other side. Also with Allen's incredibly strong arm, why don't we roll the pocket more along with a flood concept to the side we're rolling the pocket to I get that cut the field down a bit but if we are dealing with a cover 2 or cover 3 zone wouldn't that simple put more guys then they have to defend, Allen could fit it in those tight windows no problem as he's very comfortable and effective throwing on the run. our OL sucks. they either let them in way to fast. or when they do get out / they all whiff repeatedly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 To me that is solely on the of line we actually have the backs to have an affective screen game, but all it takes is one miss block to screw the whole thing up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 What is this “screen game” thing you speak of? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Screen game? You talking about that play Chan Gailey used to call? Haven’t seen it since he was fired. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) Edited December 22, 2022 by DJB 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted December 22, 2022 Author Share Posted December 22, 2022 Can this be a Josh Allen issue? Maybe he's not patient enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 30 minutes ago, CSBill said: What is this “screen game” thing you speak of? IMO, would be valuable in this week's game ran with Cook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fleezoid Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Saving it for the playoffs. it'll be one of our gadget plays. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Tyrod. ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ ⬇️ 🎤 Are you sure you want that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I don’t know why we don’t roll Allen right anymore. That was Dabolls bread and butter with everybody running crossers and curls. As far as the screen game. I don’t know. I think partially the OL. I also think we telegraph it a bit. Allen doesn’t look down field and we never seem to allow the DL through. We just can’t get the defense to overcommit so I assume it’s an execution issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I think you meant to say...."create" a screen game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 I noticed throughout the season, and on one WR screen to Diggs in the Miami game…Khalil Shakir is not good at blocking. He’s just getting blown up all over the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 48 minutes ago, streetkings01 said: Screen game? You talking about that play Chan Gailey used to call? Haven’t seen it since he was fired. Gotta give Chan credit he could tinker with his offensive plays till they worked well. Would be interesting what plays he'd have crested with Josh's skills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RocCityRoller Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 Well you need an OL that can pull and pin. We have maybe 2 guys that can do that. Morse and Bates, and Bates is playing on the wrong side. The OL is not very good. People need to realize that is one of the factors limiting this offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Posted December 22, 2022 Share Posted December 22, 2022 (edited) Rather not worry about screens. End arounds are our thing. Edited December 22, 2022 by TBBills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted December 28, 2022 Author Share Posted December 28, 2022 This is the week we bring out the new and improved screen game (wouldn’t take much) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain_Quint Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Singletary doesn't really help this option either. He either misses the pass or catches it and takes 3 seconds to redirect himself up the field, which doesn't really work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 3:48 PM, billvernsays said: Can this be a Josh Allen issue? Maybe he's not patient enough? I doubt it. The eye test says the OL is awful at “selling it” … looks like a fustercluck out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 3:27 PM, streetkings01 said: Screen game? You talking about that play Chan Gailey used to call? Haven’t seen it since he was fired. Chain Gailey actually had a knack for creative and good offensive play design. He's too old now, but I would love to take younger Chan and give him the tool we have now, and tell him to whip up some clever stuff. It's just what our offense could use. A little creativity and cleverness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 On 12/22/2022 at 3:26 PM, RocCityRoller said: Well you need an OL that can pull and pin. We have maybe 2 guys that can do that. Morse and Bates, and Bates is playing on the wrong side. The OL is not very good. People need to realize that is one of the factors limiting this offense. I feel so happy seeing people bring this up! It's been a sticking point for me the past couple years, but everyone seemed fine kicking the can down the road. We need to upgrade this O-line! 2 years ago I said I'd be happy if they spent draft picks 1-7 all on O-linemen! Anything to bolster/replace what we have now! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billvernsays Posted December 28, 2022 Author Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, BigDingus said: I feel so happy seeing people bring this up! It's been a sticking point for me the past couple years, but everyone seemed fine kicking the can down the road. We need to upgrade this O-line! 2 years ago I said I'd be happy if they spent draft picks 1-7 all on O-linemen! Anything to bolster/replace what we have now! I thought that's what our O-Line is best at, Morse especially 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Screen passes are deceptive and therefore immoral. I couldn't be prouder of our squad for not using them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 2 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Chain Gailey actually had a knack for creative and good offensive play design. He's too old now, but I would love to take younger Chan and give him the tool we have now, and tell him to whip up some clever stuff. It's just what our offense could use. A little creativity and cleverness. Even today he would be a good mind for a new OC like Dorsey to bounce stuff off of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 Do we need oline help? Sure, but IMO our wrs are the issue. The blocking on screens is terrible. Other than Gabe, our wrs are too small to effectively block. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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