Updated Beasley signing to practice squad

[Beck Water]

15 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

The last thing Allen needs to do is "get over himself".  This guy has repeatedly shouldered the blame for anything that goes wrong on the offense and has never to my knowledge thrown a teammate or coach under the bus.

 

And for the record Allen does a great job looking at the field. Particularly considering that as WideNine points out he is often running for his life to escape initial pressure.

 

That's perhaps abraisive and a poor choice of words.  I was in response to this from you:

18 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

There are always receivers open.  A QB can not be expected to always see them.  And if a receiver sometimes runs the wrong route or doesn't finish it off correctly or drops the ball a QB may be less likely to look there way to see when they're open.

 

I'll try to make a more longhand response to this. 

 

You say a QB can not be expected to always see his open receivers.  I say: a great QB has to be able to diagnose the defense, follow his progressions and find those open receivers more often than not, and give them trust, or the offense simply can't function.  We see this with Russ Wilson in Denver: he was able to create outside of structure for years in Seattle, but in Denver, being asked to play within structure and follow his progressions, he's repeatedly ignoring what the defense indicates will be open to look for Courtland Sutton and force-feed him the ball, and it's a Disaster.  [This is not just me.  A bunch of experts have broken down film (Kurt Warner for one) and illustrated what's happening.]

 

You imply, (and please excuse and explain if I have your meaning wrong), that some of the open receivers Allen is overlooking - that would be Knox, and McKenzie, sometimes Singletary or Cook - "deserve" to be overlooked because they run wrong routes and drop passes that are "catchable".  My point  is: there are guys Allen regularly targets (Davis, for example) who have very low catch % and a large % of scored "drops" (meaning "balls a receiver should catch with ordinary effort") and make route running mistakes or run "poor" (rounded) routes.

 

I'm NOT saying that Davis shouldn't be targeted (though I think Allen was forcing the ball to him and to Diggs for a while, and the passing game is floundering a bit as he backs off). 

 

I'm saying that if Allen is in some kind of headspace where he'll look for and throw to some receivers who make route running mistakes and drop the ball, but won't look for and throw to other receivers he perceives as making route running mistakes and dropping the ball (even though overall, they have good catch stats), THIS MAY BE SOMETHING HE NEEDS TO ADDRESS MENTALLY and/or in extra film/conversations with those receivers about what he's not seeing and needs to see, because an offense can't function if the QB isn't willing to operate within its structure and throw the ball to the open guys the defense gives him.  It can't.  It flounders.

 

It's very admirable that Allen takes full responsibility for the offense and doesn't throw his teammates under the bus after losses, but I'd prefer that he make good in-game decisions to avoid losses - so that's really not germaine to my response to you.

 

 

Edited December 15, 2022 by Beck Water

[L Ron Burgundy]

1 hour ago, R2ITRich said:

Does anybody care that Beasley dissed on the Bills and their fans?

As a Bills fan, cheering for players that I actually like means something.  This signing sucks!!!

And if they sign 'Diva' OBJ, I would be even more pissed!!!

It's like selling your soul to the devil.  Not worth it to me!

Cmon man.  He's not perfect. 

 

He was listening to Twitter trolls that are pure scum.  He incorrectly thought the fan base completely turned on him.  He incorrectly thought we booed him at a game.

I'd be angry too.

 

I disagree with just about everything he says.  I'm glad he's back and will cheer him on.  I hope he kills it and this is a huge success story.

[GoBills808]

9 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

That's perhaps abraisive and a poor choice of words.  I was in response to this from you:

 

I'll try to make a more longhand response to this. 

 

You say a QB can not be expected to always see his open receivers.  I say: a great QB has to be able to diagnose the defense, follow his progressions and find those open receivers more often than not, and give them trust, or the offense simply can't function.  We see this with Russ Wilson in Denver: he was able to create outside of structure for years in Seattle, but in Denver, being asked to play within structure and follow his progressions, he's repeatedly ignoring what the defense indicates will be open to look for Courtland Sutton and force-feed him the ball, and it's a Disaster.  [This is not just me.  A bunch of experts have broken down film (Kurt Warner for one) and illustrated what's happening.]

 

You imply, (and please excuse and explain if I have your meaning wrong), that some of the open receivers Allen is overlooking - that would be Knox, and McKenzie, sometimes Singletary or Cook - "deserve" to be overlooked because they run wrong routes and drop passes that are "catchable".  My point  is: there are guys Allen regularly targets (Davis, for example) who have very low catch % and a large % of scored "drops" (meaning "balls a receiver should catch with ordinary effort") and make route running mistakes or run "poor" (rounded) routes.

 

I'm NOT saying that Davis shouldn't be targeted (though I think Allen was forcing the ball to him and to Diggs for a while, and the passing game is floundering a bit as he backs off). 

 

I'm saying that if Allen is in some kind of headspace where he'll look for and throw to some receivers who make route running mistakes and drop the ball, but won't look for and throw to other receivers he perceives as making route running mistakes and dropping the ball (even though overall, they have good catch stats), THIS MAY BE SOMETHING HE NEEDS TO ADDRESS MENTALLY and/or in extra film/conversations with those receivers about what he's not seeing and needs to see, because an offense can't function if the QB isn't willing to operate within its structure and throw the ball to the open guys the defense gives him.  It can't.  It flounders.

 

It's very admirable that Allen takes full responsibility for the offense and doesn't throw his teammates under the bus after losses, but I'd prefer that he make good in-game decisions to avoid losses - so that's really not germaine to my response to you.

 

 

It's truly odd to me that you have gone this far out of your way to question Allen in defense of McKenzie. 

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, R2ITRich said:

Does anybody care that Beasley dissed on the Bills and their fans?

As a Bills fan, cheering for players that I actually like means something.  This signing sucks!!!

And if they sign 'Diva' OBJ, I would be even more pissed!!!

It's like selling your soul to the devil.  Not worth it to me!

 

Are you so perfect you never have negative verbal interactions that in hindsight, you can look at and acknowledge you had a part in how negative they were and why they became that way?  Beasley acknowledged this, apparently privately in conversations to Beane and to McDermott, and publicly in his presser.  He said he loves it here and he didn't want it to end like that. 

 

I'm personally in favor of second chances when that is the case, so count me as "All In" on Beasley being here.

 

I can admire a guy's play on the field without having to agree with his every notion.  Do you think all those guys who present a great persona where they're kind to children and doggies are marvelous human beings?  They may be, they may not be - I don't know them personally, so I don't assume.  To me, "selling our soul to the Devil" would be if my team went out and signed someone like Henry Ruggs, who literally caused a woman and her dog to be burnt alive in front of people who tried to rescue them, by his actions

 

5 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

It's truly odd to me that you have gone this far out of your way to question Allen in defense of McKenzie. 

 

I'm sorry, but you're missing my point completely, and it's not just about McKenzie.

 

I could express it's truly odd to me that someone like yourself, who genuinely does know ball, can't see that Allen has a part in the offense struggling, and goes so far out of your way to scapegoat receivers to avoid acknowledging this.  I believe Allen himself has indirectly acknowledged this, for example when he said to Fitzpatrick in the interview aired pre-game TNF that the QB has to function an extension of the OC on the field, to the effect of, it's taken some doing but he thinks they're getting to a good place now.  [That was before a game where Cook had 6 targets and McKenzie had 5 - all catches - and Davis was 2 of 7]

 

The selective scapegoating here is WAY out of control (IMO)

Edited December 15, 2022 by Beck Water

[CincyBillsFan]

49 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

That's perhaps abraisive and a poor choice of words.  I was in response to this from you:

 

I'll try to make a more longhand response to this. 

 

You say a QB can not be expected to always see his open receivers.  I say: a great QB has to be able to diagnose the defense, follow his progressions and find those open receivers more often than not, and give them trust, or the offense simply can't function.  We see this with Russ Wilson in Denver: he was able to create outside of structure for years in Seattle, but in Denver, being asked to play within structure and follow his progressions, he's repeatedly ignoring what the defense indicates will be open to look for Courtland Sutton and force-feed him the ball, and it's a Disaster.  [This is not just me.  A bunch of experts have broken down film (Kurt Warner for one) and illustrated what's happening.]

 

You imply, (and please excuse and explain if I have your meaning wrong), that some of the open receivers Allen is overlooking - that would be Knox, and McKenzie, sometimes Singletary or Cook - "deserve" to be overlooked because they run wrong routes and drop passes that are "catchable".  My point  is: there are guys Allen regularly targets (Davis, for example) who have very low catch % and a large % of scored "drops" (meaning "balls a receiver should catch with ordinary effort") and make route running mistakes or run "poor" (rounded) routes.

 

I'm NOT saying that Davis shouldn't be targeted (though I think Allen was forcing the ball to him and to Diggs for a while, and the passing game is floundering a bit as he backs off). 

 

I'm saying that if Allen is in some kind of headspace where he'll look for and throw to some receivers who make route running mistakes and drop the ball, but won't look for and throw to other receivers he perceives as making route running mistakes and dropping the ball (even though overall, they have good catch stats), THIS MAY BE SOMETHING HE NEEDS TO ADDRESS MENTALLY and/or in extra film/conversations with those receivers about what he's not seeing and needs to see, because an offense can't function if the QB isn't willing to operate within its structure and throw the ball to the open guys the defense gives him.  It can't.  It flounders.

 

It's very admirable that Allen takes full responsibility for the offense and doesn't throw his teammates under the bus after losses, but I'd prefer that he make good in-game decisions to avoid losses - so that's really not germaine to my response to you.

 

 

Sorry but I disagree with your entire premise.  Allen is putting up great numbers and his team is winning in spite of having only one elite skills player on the roster.  Even more impressively Allen is doing this with at best an average offensive line.  There are limitations to what any QB can do, including those you call "a great QB".

 

For the record, Allen is a great QB.  Of this I have no doubt, do you?

 

And finally are you really comparing 2022 Allen to 2022 Russel Wilson?  I find that this seriously discredits your argument.

 

IMO while the Bills have had some inconsistencies in their offensive performance over the last 6 games the QB play is least responsible.

 

 

[birdo67]

2 hours ago, GottaRun said:

Yes.  But he's a Bill now and if he steps on the field I'll be cheering for him and chanting Bease with most everyone else.  

I was saying Boo-easley!

[Fan in Chicago]

2 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said:

Jordan Poyer on the Pat McAfee show when asked about Cole... "he looks good, he looks good, he looks DAMN good".

 

 

Poyer sounds like a future coach

[EasternOHBillsFan]

I would like to offer a sincere apology to what I said earlier this week. I should have never said that I want Beasley to fail, and I regret saying it.

 

Beasley made a statement this week saying that he didn't handle his time well with the Bills outside of the team, and yes we all are not perfect human beings. I get it and totally respect that. Maybe this is an opportunity to come back from what really has been a crappy last couple of years and make things better.

 

Thank you.

 

GO BILLS

[PayDaBill$]

2 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said:

Poyer sounds like a future coach

Payer is a priority 

[WotAGuy]

2 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

I would like to offer a sincere apology to what I said earlier this week. I should have never said that I want Beasley to fail, and I regret saying it.

 

Beasley made a statement this week saying that he didn't handle his time well with the Bills outside of the team, and yes we all are not perfect human beings. I get it and totally respect that. Maybe this is an opportunity to come back from what really has been a crappy last couple of years and make things better.

 

Thank you.

 

GO BILLS

This doesn’t cut it around here. Your penance is to make a Peter Pan wall paper and keep it on your phone, laptop, tablet, Kindle, iPad or whatever else you have available.  

[EasternOHBillsFan]

1 hour ago, WotAGuy said:

This doesn’t cut it around here. Your penance is to make a Peter Pan wall paper and keep it on your phone, laptop, tablet, Kindle, iPad or whatever else you have available.  

 

Damn, I had forgotten all about that Peter Pan tomfoolery LMAO Thanks for the laugh!

[Warriorspikes51]

4 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

I would like to offer a sincere apology to what I said earlier this week. I should have never said that I want Beasley to fail, and I regret saying it.

 

Beasley made a statement this week saying that he didn't handle his time well with the Bills outside of the team, and yes we all are not perfect human beings. I get it and totally respect that. Maybe this is an opportunity to come back from what really has been a crappy last couple of years and make things better.

 

Thank you.

 

GO BILLS

did you just watch it’s a Wonderful Life?! Great post. GO BILLS!!!!!

[Mighty Taco]

I’d like to know who the Karen was that wouldn’t let Cole’s kid come to her son’s birthday party.  I’m sure she’s a real peach at holiday parties.  
 

Solid parenting.  
 

Go Bills!

[Rocky Landing]

9 hours ago, R2ITRich said:

Does anybody care that Beasley dissed on the Bills and their fans?

As a Bills fan, cheering for players that I actually like means something.  This signing sucks!!!

And if they sign 'Diva' OBJ, I would be even more pissed!!!

It's like selling your soul to the devil.  Not worth it to me!

I'm really the same sort of fan-- I like to root for players that I also respect (which, at the moment, makes being a Bills fan spectacular!). But, for what it's worth, I think he felt a certain amount of betrayal from a lot of football fans himself. And while I didn't agree with a lot of what he said, or how he handled all of the controversy, I don't hold anything against him. He's a great player, and a great teammate. He fits into the Bills culture, and that's good enough for me. I don't mind that he's eccentric.

 

EDIT: Also, I'm kinda hoping that OBJ gets signed by the Patriots*. If they did, they'd over-pay for him, he won't be the same player he was, and the spectacle of him, and Mac & Cheese screaming at each other on the sideline would be epic.

Edited December 16, 2022 by Rocky Landing

[EasternOHBillsFan]

34 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

did you just watch it’s a Wonderful Life?! Great post. GO BILLS!!!!!

 

No I didn't... actually I saw what he said and it resonated with me. I've had a brutal past couple of years and he was right. If anything I feel like Uncle Billy these days... age has taken its toll.

[Punching Bag]

12 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Nyheim Hines is a running back.  He is not a wide receiver.

 

He's been being used in 2-back sets (Pony formation) on a variable number of snaps - 23 vs NE, 10 vs the Jets.

 

I'm kinda puzzled as to why someone would think an RB would make a "perfect" slot receiver.

 

His name is not McKenzie.

[Richard Noggin]

11 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

Sorry but I disagree with your entire premise.  Allen is putting up great numbers and his team is winning in spite of having only one elite skills player on the roster.  Even more impressively Allen is doing this with at best an average offensive line.  There are limitations to what any QB can do, including those you call "a great QB".

 

For the record, Allen is a great QB.  Of this I have no doubt, do you?

 

And finally are you really comparing 2022 Allen to 2022 Russel Wilson?  I find that this seriously discredits your argument.

 

IMO while the Bills have had some inconsistencies in their offensive performance over the last 6 games the QB play is least responsible.

 

 

 

Allen's recent numbers are NOT great, FTR. They are "cleaner" lately, which has been good enough against some meh offenses (and good defenses). 

 

After an 8-game span of historically ELITE performance (2021 playoffs through week 6 of 2022), we CANNOT ignore Allen's sudden and stark regression beginning with the 2nd half against GB and lasting into the 4th quarter of the Thanksgiving game. There are SO many contributing factors to this regression to the mean, including injuries to Allen and his supporting cast, but NONE of that excuses Allen's sudden refusal to take what defenses give him and distribute the ball patiently and precisely. 

 

He kinda got the yips, TBH. Of course we still saw flashes of the absolute maestro he's become, but over the course of those 3-4 games we saw a surprising amount of bad reps from #17. It happens over the course of a career. He's by no means alone in the blame for these uncharacteristic stumbles. 

 

As for his supporting cast, they'd look a HECK of a lot better if the offense designed more plays for Knox. Use HIM as the #2 option, maybe? Let Davis be a third or even fourth option on some plays and see if that operates better. People weren't so down on Buffalo's skill positions last season, seemingly. And I KNOW Sanders wasn't some plus target down the stretch. 

[Putin]

15 hours ago, R2ITRich said:

Does anybody care that Beasley dissed on the Bills and their fans?

As a Bills fan, cheering for players that I actually like means something.  This signing sucks!!!

And if they sign 'Diva' OBJ, I would be even more pissed!!!

It's like selling your soul to the devil.  Not worth it to me!

Wow dude take it easy !!!

If the locker room felt the way you do Beasley wouldn’t be here , obviously that is not the case actually his teammates love him !!! 

Edited December 16, 2022 by Putin

[muppy]

I'm posting this for good karma 🙂

[DCofNC]

6 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Allen's recent numbers are NOT great, FTR. They are "cleaner" lately, which has been good enough against some meh offenses (and good defenses). 

 

After an 8-game span of historically ELITE performance (2021 playoffs through week 6 of 2022), we CANNOT ignore Allen's sudden and stark regression beginning with the 2nd half against GB and lasting into the 4th quarter of the Thanksgiving game. There are SO many contributing factors to this regression to the mean, including injuries to Allen and his supporting cast, but NONE of that excuses Allen's sudden refusal to take what defenses give him and distribute the ball patiently and precisely. 

 

He kinda got the yips, TBH. Of course we still saw flashes of the absolute maestro he's become, but over the course of those 3-4 games we saw a surprising amount of bad reps from #17. It happens over the course of a career. He's by no means alone in the blame for these uncharacteristic stumbles. 

 

As for his supporting cast, they'd look a HECK of a lot better if the offense designed more plays for Knox. Use HIM as the #2 option, maybe? Let Davis be a third or even fourth option on some plays and see if that operates better. People weren't so down on Buffalo's skill positions last season, seemingly. And I KNOW Sanders wasn't some plus target down the stretch. 

I think you are having a selective memory of last year, the talk down the stretch was “Beasley is washed”, either “get McKenzie more involved” or “you can’t trust McKenzie!”, “RB with 1st pick!” Etc.  People got their hopes up that Davis was going to be the savior this year and he’s been exactly what he has always been, inconsistent.  He’s a nice #3 or 4, no where near the second #1 the delusionals had in mind. 
 

It’s actually an easy argument to show the Bills elected to decrease talent vs last year if you look at who they let walk vs what they didn’t replace them with.   Hopefully, Beasley can be effective for 8 weeks, that could be the difference of real SB aspirations and another January where the players don’t need to debate if they should have a dome in Buffalo from their couch. 

[Warriorspikes51]

12 hours ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:

 

No I didn't... actually I saw what he said and it resonated with me. I've had a brutal past couple of years and he was right. If anything I feel like Uncle Billy these days... age has taken its toll.

 

Many blessings to you!  I hope Bease has an immediate impact for the offense

[GottaRun]

Is Beasley elevated for tomorrow night?  When do they have to make that announcement by... if they haven't made it already? 

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, GottaRun said:

Is Beasley elevated for tomorrow night?  When do they have to make that announcement by... if they haven't made it already? 

WGR mentioned earlier that because it's a Saturday night game, he can still be elevated tomorrow and doesn't have to be by 4 today

[jletha]

7 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Allen's recent numbers are NOT great, FTR. They are "cleaner" lately, which has been good enough against some meh offenses (and good defenses). 

 

After an 8-game span of historically ELITE performance (2021 playoffs through week 6 of 2022), we CANNOT ignore Allen's sudden and stark regression beginning with the 2nd half against GB and lasting into the 4th quarter of the Thanksgiving game. There are SO many contributing factors to this regression to the mean, including injuries to Allen and his supporting cast, but NONE of that excuses Allen's sudden refusal to take what defenses give him and distribute the ball patiently and precisely. 

 

He kinda got the yips, TBH. Of course we still saw flashes of the absolute maestro he's become, but over the course of those 3-4 games we saw a surprising amount of bad reps from #17. It happens over the course of a career. He's by no means alone in the blame for these uncharacteristic stumbles. 

 

As for his supporting cast, they'd look a HECK of a lot better if the offense designed more plays for Knox. Use HIM as the #2 option, maybe? Let Davis be a third or even fourth option on some plays and see if that operates better. People weren't so down on Buffalo's skill positions last season, seemingly. And I KNOW Sanders wasn't some plus target down the stretch. 

It wasnt all a disaster from the GB game to the Detroit game. Allen and the offense were very good against Cleveland and also Josh was very good against Minny until he short circuited in the 4th quarter with 2 picks and a fumble. With 10mins left in the 4th quarter Josh was 22/29 for 262 1TD and 0 turnovers. I know he had an all time disaster 4th but we were not an inept offense for 4 weeks straight.

[CaliBills]

7 hours ago, Putin said:

Wow dude take it easy !!!

If the locker room felt the way you do Beasley wouldn’t be here , obviously that is not the case actually his teammates love him !!! 

 

Seems some folks take words or difference of opinion as if they stole something or physically hurt them.  

 

Whatever happened to the saying "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me"

Edited December 16, 2022 by CaliBills

[Pabstblueribbon]

Timely reminder that Cole squished the fish last time we played in OP. Zero Td's but the play-by-play summary of the game shows he was the spark that generated points in the 2nd half to get the win. 

 

[Dr. Who]

1 hour ago, CaliBills said:

 

Seems some folks take words or difference of opinion as if they stole something or physically hurt them.  

 

Whatever happened to the saying "sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me"

That truism is demonstrably false. Words can create wounds that last a lifetime -- though, of course, I know what you mean. The snowflake generation has taken the need for civility in dialectical discourse and turned it into a weapon of insularity and intolerance. And the real wisdom in the classic aphorism is that one ought to be indifferent towards the insults of the wicked and the dim. In short, don't worry about what Fin fans say.

[CaliBills]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

That truism is demonstrably false. Words can create wounds that last a lifetime -- though, of course, I know what you mean. The snowflake generation has taken the need for civility in dialectical discourse and turned it into a weapon of insularity and intolerance. And the real wisdom in the classic aphorism is that one ought to be indifferent towards the insults of the wicked and the dim. In short, don't worry about what Fin fans say.

thanks Dr...... 

[Punching Bag]

2 hours ago, muppy said:

I'm posting this for good karma 🙂

 

So Cole is playing the Joe Pesci character Tommy DeVito since Danny DeVito is not available, right?

 

[muppy]

Just now, Limeaid said:

 

So Cole is playing the Joe Pesci character Tommy DeVito since Danny DeVito is not available, right?

 

My play is this pic foreshadows the offensive  stats leaders from tomorrow going into the playoffs 🙂 hahahaaa GO BILLS!~!~!!! 

[Punching Bag]

4 minutes ago, muppy said:

My play is this pic foreshadows the offensive  stats leaders from tomorrow going into the playoffs 🙂 hahahaaa GO BILLS!~!~!!! 

 

Cole Beasley always seemed to be a Joe Pesci type of wise guy to me although I think many on this site and Pat(hetic)s would want it to be Isaiah McKenzie.

[BuffaloBillsGospel]

22 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Nyheim Hines is a running back.  He is not a wide receiver.

 

He's been being used in 2-back sets (Pony formation) on a variable number of snaps - 23 vs NE, 10 vs the Jets.

 

I'm kinda puzzled as to why someone would think an RB would make a "perfect" slot receiver.

He is 1 of the best pass catching RB in the league just nobody knows how to utilize him properly. He'd be around a 75 catch RB in a Brady lead offense no doubt in my mind. He could easily be an Austin Ekler type for us if we used him properly. 

[Beck Water]

8 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

He is 1 of the best pass catching RB in the league just nobody knows how to utilize him properly. He'd be around a 75 catch RB in a Brady lead offense no doubt in my mind. He could easily be an Austin Ekler type for us if we used him properly. 

 

And I'd love to see it, just as I'd love to see Cook being more reliable and used more often.

 

But he's still not a slot receiver, and using him properly would not mean "use him as a slot receiver", even if he would be lining up wide and running a route from time to time.

 

2 hours ago, jletha said:

It wasnt all a disaster from the GB game to the Detroit game. Allen and the offense were very good against Cleveland and also Josh was very good against Minny until he short circuited in the 4th quarter with 2 picks and a fumble. With 10mins left in the 4th quarter Josh was 22/29 for 262 1TD and 0 turnovers. I know he had an all time disaster 4th but we were not an inept offense for 4 weeks straight.

 

I agree, our offense was good against Cleveland.  But to the point of the OP you're responding to: we were good against Cleveland by changing it up - running an unusual (for us) number of 2 TE and 2 back personnel packages.  We actually rushed more times than we passed - 33 rushes, 27 passing attempts - and only 3 of the rush attempts were Josh Allen.  Singletary and Cook both had 86 yards.

 

I don't think our offense has been inept, or we wouldn't be winning games.  But it hasn't been the same as it was earlier in the season, either.

Edited December 16, 2022 by Beck Water

[Pabstblueribbon]

I agree. Even in the examples listed where running backs routinely do damage catching balls, Brady and Herbert still usually have Godwin and Keenan Allen in the slot running routes or blocking at the same time the rb is receiving.

 

 

The CMC types who can line up in the slot and win routes consistently are a whole different breed imo.

 

 

[CincyBillsFan]

10 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

 

Allen's recent numbers are NOT great, FTR. They are "cleaner" lately, which has been good enough against some meh offenses (and good defenses). 

 

After an 8-game span of historically ELITE performance (2021 playoffs through week 6 of 2022), we CANNOT ignore Allen's sudden and stark regression beginning with the 2nd half against GB and lasting into the 4th quarter of the Thanksgiving game. There are SO many contributing factors to this regression to the mean, including injuries to Allen and his supporting cast, but NONE of that excuses Allen's sudden refusal to take what defenses give him and distribute the ball patiently and precisely. 

 

He kinda got the yips, TBH. Of course we still saw flashes of the absolute maestro he's become, but over the course of those 3-4 games we saw a surprising amount of bad reps from #17. It happens over the course of a career. He's by no means alone in the blame for these uncharacteristic stumbles. 

 

As for his supporting cast, they'd look a HECK of a lot better if the offense designed more plays for Knox. Use HIM as the #2 option, maybe? Let Davis be a third or even fourth option on some plays and see if that operates better. People weren't so down on Buffalo's skill positions last season, seemingly. And I KNOW Sanders wasn't some plus target down the stretch. 

QB's even Mahomes go through rough patches every season.  The reasons for Allen's drop in production are those that you outlined:  injuries to Allen and other offensive players - but also include a tough schedule & bad weather.

 

And I don't believe Allen is "refusing" to take what defenses are giving him.  At least I've yet to see compelling evidence of this.

 

As for Knox, it appears he is desperately needed to shore up pass & run blocking.

 

When you take an honest look at the Bills offense from top to bottom it's been a case of smoke & mirrors where the elite play of Allen & Diggs has masked a great many deficiencies.  It's not surprising that defenses have adjusted to what the Bills actually can do and made it harder for them to keep doing it. 

 

 

 

 

[Warriorspikes51]

10 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

QB's even Mahomes go through rough patches every season.  The reasons for Allen's drop in production are those that you outlined:  injuries to Allen and other offensive players - but also include a tough schedule & bad weather.

 

And I don't believe Allen is "refusing" to take what defenses are giving him.  At least I've yet to see compelling evidence of this.

 

As for Knox, it appears he is desperately needed to shore up pass & run blocking.

 

When you take an honest look at the Bills offense from top to bottom it's been a case of smoke & mirrors where the elite play of Allen & Diggs has masked a great many deficiencies.  It's not surprising that defenses have adjusted to what the Bills actually can do and made it harder for them to keep doing it. 

 

 

 

 

yes, 3 ints at Denver. He offered them a victory and they rudely declined. 

[Beck Water]

https://www.newyorkupstate.com/buffalo-bills/2022/12/gone-but-not-forgotten-inside-the-phone-call-that-led-cole-beasley-back-to-the-bills.html

 

Talks about how Beane missed a phone call from Cole Beasley while traveling the day after Thanksgiving.  Says they had a lot of things to work through before Beasley signed.  I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that one of the things they had to work out in Beane's mind, was whether or not OBJ was ready to play and interested in signing here.

 

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When McKenzie heard about Beasley reaching out to Beane, he took to Twitter to make his case. He told his old friend to give him a call so he could explain how much the team wanted him back.

“He can teach us a lot of things, especially in the slot for me,” McKenzie said. “But just off the field, he’s a great guy. We can hang out with him off the field, you know, do anything. I mean, even though he’s like 33 now. He’s still young, we can play basketball and stuff like that. But he’s just a good guy to have around - a leader and everything.”

 

Does anyone else kind of do a double-take at the notion of 5'8" Beasley and 5'7" McKenzie playing basketball?  I know Beasley can dunk.   A while back Bills social media put up a clip of Knox and Sweeney playing Horse (spoiler: they were bad) and at one point Beasley walked by, grabbed the ball from one of their misses and casually sunk a 3 pointer on the way through: "WATER!".   I believe McKenzie played basketball in HS; he posts off-season clips of himself playing rec league basketball sometimes. 

 

So it wouldn't surprise me if they could kick butt against some of the bigger players.  But the visual seems hysterically funny.  Like picture Spencer Brown trying to get a steal.  Or if Beasley threw an elbow, where would it hit?

 

8 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

And I don't believe Allen is "refusing" to take what defenses are giving him.  At least I've yet to see compelling evidence of this.

 

I mean, do you watch film?  What "compelling evidence" do you wish?

 

8 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

As for Knox, it appears he is desperately needed to shore up pass & run blocking.

 

He is, but he typically blocks or chips and then leaks out and runs a route.  Elsewhere I posted one example of this, where the Jets actually appear to have planned around this.

 

8 hours ago, CincyBillsFan said:

When you take an honest look at the Bills offense from top to bottom it's been a case of smoke & mirrors where the elite play of Allen & Diggs has masked a great many deficiencies.  It's not surprising that defenses have adjusted to what the Bills actually can do and made it harder for them to keep doing it.

 

There's some truth to this, but there are also points that mistakes (INTs) played a role, and that there are plays to be had.

Edited December 17, 2022 by Beck Water

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I feel like Cole is going to step right in and make plays. I was very frustrated about the situation surrounding his exit and I couldn’t be happier that he’s back

[Richard Noggin]

16 hours ago, DCofNC said:

I think you are having a selective memory of last year, the talk down the stretch was “Beasley is washed”, either “get McKenzie more involved” or “you can’t trust McKenzie!”, “RB with 1st pick!” Etc.  People got their hopes up that Davis was going to be the savior this year and he’s been exactly what he has always been, inconsistent.  He’s a nice #3 or 4, no where near the second #1 the delusionals had in mind. 
 

It’s actually an easy argument to show the Bills elected to decrease talent vs last year if you look at who they let walk vs what they didn’t replace them with.   Hopefully, Beasley can be effective for 8 weeks, that could be the difference of real SB aspirations and another January where the players don’t need to debate if they should have a dome in Buffalo from their couch. 

But Allen was playing at an ELITE level with this same cast until he wasn't. It's not primarily about his supporting cast, except that maybe Allen feels more pressure to be a hero if we believe he sees his weapons as unreliable. Either way, he fell back into bad habits. He got sloppy, mechanically and cognitively. Hopefully, Beasley helps him regain his zen.

[Richard Noggin]

15 hours ago, jletha said:

It wasnt all a disaster from the GB game to the Detroit game. Allen and the offense were very good against Cleveland and also Josh was very good against Minny until he short circuited in the 4th quarter with 2 picks and a fumble. With 10mins left in the 4th quarter Josh was 22/29 for 262 1TD and 0 turnovers. I know he had an all time disaster 4th but we were not an inept offense for 4 weeks straight.

 

100% agree. Catch is, if an otherwise great QB logs just ONE bad quarter per game, that QB is not playing great anymore. Allen went from a historically great stretch to suddenly posting these quarters or entire halves of puzzling regression. There could be SO many legitimate explanations for this regression to the mean, but the fact is that #17 was overcoming all those explanations until suddenly he wasn't. 

 

I'm sure he'll learn from and grow because of this adversity, and hopefully the team (and coaching) around him will do the same.