BROCK PURDY: for real or fools gold ?

[NoSaint]

40 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Dude is 7-0, how much more *****in' real do you want?  It's hilarious how many keep predicting that this kid will melt down any minute.  He's the goods.

let’s give fitz the huge contract and ignore context!
 

I don’t think he will melt down any minute. I do not think he will have CMC, deebo, kittle, aiyuk, Trent Williams and a monster defense around him long term though. And that becomes an issue. It also may be a challenge as the windows get smaller down the stretch and he’s not the upper echelon talent - but with so much talent around him, the windows may stay wide enough for now. 
 

I do not think you could drop him in the Buffalo offense and see success. A testament to the guy we have.

Edited January 15, 2023 by NoSaint

[LabattBlue]

You know what Purdy did yesterday? No fumbles, no interceptions and only 1 sack.  

[NoSaint]

3 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:

I watched a fair bit of 3 games with Purdy and was pleasantly surprised too see him have very good poise, making quick decisions and being largely accurate. I don't see why several here are disliking him. He has done very well this season and has the best results of any rookie QB this season. We should be happy to see a good talent enter the league. 

Except against the Bills. If he were to beat the Bills in the Superbowl, I will change my opinion of that little sh** in a hurry. 😁

I think it’s the wishy washy terms like good talent causing a bit of strife in the conversation.
 

What level career are you projecting with that? 

 

im going with fine enough caretaker but not long term starter. I can call that a good talent. I think many are aiming much higher with that type of terminology though. 

[Alphadawg7]

15 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

Dude is 7-0, how much more *****in' real do you want?  It's hilarious how many keep predicting that this kid will melt down any minute.  He's the goods.

I think he is actually 6-0

 

I already said after his second start he was better than Jimmy G and the Niners are better with him.  And the biggest reason for that is his mobility.  Jimmy G has the worst pocket presence in the NFL, guy is a statue and can’t sense pressure either.  

 

That being said, for all his heroics yesterday, he still had a few atrocious passes that were dropped INTs that could have shifted that game back to being close or expand the Seahawks lead earlier in the game.  
 

What I think happens is he enters camp and battles Trey for the job.  If Niners make a deep playoff run, it will be his job to lose, if he has a bad game and they get bounced, then it may be a little more even entering camp.  
 

Purdy is doing a great job, and he is for real, at least to this Niners team right now.  But he reminds me more of Ryan Fitzpatrick than top tier starter so far.  A guy who can extend plays with his legs, make some big plays and also tempt fate with some bad decisions.  He also just doesn’t have have all the physical gifts that Trey has.  
 

Trey first game was not really a fair one to use as a barometer, it was horrific weather conditions and first game of the year too where most starters barely played coming into that game.  

Doesn’t mean Trey will even beat out Purdy, but I believe after all they invested in him and with his superior athletic gifts, they will at least let him battle it out against Purdy to see who wins the job.  

[LabattBlue]

9 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:

People always feel threatened and want to discredit whenever a potentially good QB comes out of the blue. Hats off to Purdy, I have zero ill will towards a 3rd stringer getting his shot and making the absolute most of it. It’s the American dream. 

Perfectly said.  👍🏻

[NoSaint]

3 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

You know what Purdy did yesterday? No fumbles, no interceptions and only 1 sack.  

it’s true. And he’s been gifted a turnover creating machine on the other side. 
 

at some point your qb generally needs to go win games, and not just avoid losing them. Is he that guy? I don’t think so. Could he go deep this year as a caretaker? For sure. 

[Alphadawg7]

4 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

You know what Purdy did yesterday? No fumbles, no interceptions and only 1 sack.  

To be fair…He had several dropped INTs though and few others that could have been possible INTs had a defender been in the area on bad passes.  

[LabattBlue]

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

To be fair…He had several dropped INTs though and few others that could have been possible INTs had a defender been in the area on bad passes.  

Coulda, shoulda, woulda…

[Italian Bills]

So… based on what most of you are saying, if Josh had Shanahan, CMC, Debo and Kittle, the Bills would go 17-0 in regular SB winner every year. 
 

May somebody here tell me how many BIG, and how many season ending injuries the niners had ? 
 

I’m really tired about all this 49ers and Purdy hype all over the football world… 49ers arguably best team in the game, best offense, best defense, best coach, best everything… i’m close to the point to be by KC side if the SB was between those two, with Purdy having a good 75% qbr so all this 49ers excitement would be over. 
 

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I think he is actually 6-0

 

I already said after his second start he was better than Jimmy G and the Niners are better with him.  And the biggest reason for that is his mobility.  Jimmy G has the worst pocket presence in the NFL, guy is a statue and can’t sense pressure either.  

 

That being said, for all his heroics yesterday, he still had a few atrocious passes that were dropped INTs that could have shifted that game back to being close or expand the Seahawks lead earlier in the game.  
 

What I think happens is he enters camp and battles Trey for the job.  If Niners make a deep playoff run, it will be his job to lose, if he has a bad game and they get bounced, then it may be a little more even entering camp.  
 

Purdy is doing a great job, and he is for real, at least to this Niners team right now.  But he reminds me more of Ryan Fitzpatrick than top tier starter so far.  A guy who can extend plays with his legs, make some big plays and also tempt fate with some bad decisions.  He also just doesn’t have have all the physical gifts that Trey has.  
 

Trey first game was not really a fair one to use as a barometer, it was horrific weather conditions and first game of the year too where most starters barely played coming into that game.  

Doesn’t mean Trey will even beat out Purdy, but I believe after all they invested in him and with his superior athletic gifts, they will at least let him battle it out against Purdy to see who wins the job.  

he may be a perfect case study in could fitz take a loaded team to the Super Bowl.

 

many of fitzs terrible plays came late in the game when there was no more waiting for another down for someone else to make magic and he had to just make the play himself. Suddenly he had to throw 50-50 balls that for a premiere qb are 75-25. 

[poblano]

People thinks that every QB in Shanahan sistem will flourish, and to some level is true, but what Purdy is making, at the moment, goes beyond that, Garoppolo, Nick Mullens and CJ Beathard make the offense work until they screw the things and you know they will screw them at some point, Purdy is making some stuffs beyond play calling (yesterday's 3yard McCafrey TD, it seems simple but wasn't, among others), but at some point he will make a terrific mistake and then  we will see how react and then we can  make a statement about him as a NFL QB.

Lance isn't even showed as a medium level starter QB in this league.

[Fan in Chicago]

8 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I think it’s the wishy washy terms like good talent causing a bit of strife in the conversation.
 

What level career are you projecting with that? 

 

im going with fine enough caretaker but not long term starter. I can call that a good talent. I think many are aiming much higher with that type of terminology though. 

Too early to project his future position in the league and I am limiting my opinion to his current performance. So my thoughts are closer to "good talent and late round find" than "omg 49ers stumbled into the next Brady"

[Mr. WEO]

12 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

let’s give fitz the huge contract and ignore context!
 

I don’t think he will melt down any minute. I do not think he will have CMC, deebo, kittle, aiyuk, Trent Williams and a monster defense around him long term though. And that becomes an issue. It also may be a challenge as the windows get smaller down the stretch and he’s not the upper echelon talent - but with so much talent around him, the windows may stay wide enough for now. 
 

I do not think you could drop him in the Buffalo offense and see success. A testament to the guy we have.

 

Put him on the Rams and I bet he wins more than 3 games.  

 

I don't think anyone was suggesting he is akin to Josh Allen.  On the Jets they are in the playoffs.

[Alphadawg7]

5 minutes ago, poblano said:

People thinks that every QB in Shanahan sistem will flourish, and to some level is true, but what Purdy is making, at the moment, goes beyond that, Garoppolo, Nick Mullens and CJ Beathard make the offense work until they screw the things and you know they will screw them at some point, Purdy is making some stuffs beyond play calling (yesterday's 3yard McCafrey TD, it seems simple but wasn't, among others), but at some point he will make a terrific mistake and then  we will see how react and then we can  make a statement about him as a NFL QB.

Lance isn't even showed as a medium level starter QB in this league.

He made several mistakes yesterday and they should have been interceptions but Seahawks dropped the balls.  As good as Purdy has been, he’s also been lucky quite a few times on some errant passes not being picked off.  
 

That being said, he’s also made a lot of plays where he extended the play and made something out of nothing.  
 

It’s why he reminds me of Fitzpatrick so far.

Edited January 15, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, poblano said:

People thinks that every QB in Shanahan sistem will flourish, and to some level is true, but what Purdy is making, at the moment, goes beyond that, Garoppolo, Nick Mullens and CJ Beathard make the offense work until they screw the things and you know they will screw them at some point, Purdy is making some stuffs beyond play calling (yesterday's 3yard McCafrey TD, it seems simple but wasn't, among others), but at some point he will make a terrific mistake and then  we will see how react and then we can  make a statement about him as a NFL QB.

Lance isn't even showed as a medium level starter QB in this league.

 

Purdy has taken that Offense of Shanahan's to a level none of those others ever have. CMC surely helps, but none of those guys looked like this kid has from minute 1.

[Heavy Kevi]

48 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Which "starter"?  Jimmy G won't be around next year.  Lance is another backup QB (lasted 2 games).

 

 

Give him another 70 starts and he WILL BE EXPOSED!!

 

He looked a lot better than Herbert.  That guy hits more helmets than receivers.  He must have gotten high at halftime.  What a dud.  

 

Lance was the starter before he went down. That means he won the job over JimmyG.

 

Pretty obvious

[Mark Vader]

There are some 49'ers fans who claim that the team would be doing even better if Garoppolo were still the quarterback.

 

Can't please everybody.

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Alphadawg7 said:

He made several mistakes yesterday and they should have been interceptions but Seahawks dropped the balls.  

 

so what. He also threw 3 TDs and ran for another in a blowout

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

so what. He also threw 3 TDs and ran for another in a blowout

Maybe read the post I responded to first

[bigduke6]

havent read the whole thread.  that being said,  is Purdy good or just fools gold?  hard to tell.  hes got a great cast around him.  2nd best OLine in the league protecting him.   is there enough game film out there on his tendancies yet though?  thats what happens to QBs at most levels,  especially in the pros.   coaches,  when they have the time,  sit down, and figure guys out.   what they like here,  what they always look for there.  that stuff.    im not sure thats happened yet.  its a wait and see for me.

Edited January 15, 2023 by bigduke6

[Mr. WEO]

3 minutes ago, Heavy Kevi said:

 

Lance was the starter before he went down. That means he won the job over JimmyG.

 

Pretty obvious

 

JG went 7-3 and Purdy 5-0.  Lance was awful in 2 games as starter---and you think he deserves  the job.... because they made the decision to start him months ago.  

 

That makes no sense at all.  

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

He looks good. Even when he gets flustered and scrambles behind the line he never seems to make a bad play. He either finds a check down or throws it away. Of course the Shanhanan system is one of the most QB friendly out there. We will see how Brock looks when they need to rely on him for 40 attempts. But right now he's only having to drop back about 25-30 times a game. 

[Motorin']

2 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

havent read the whole thread.  that being said,  is Purdy good or just fools gold?  hard to tell.  hes got a great cast around him.  2nd best OLine in the league protecting him.   is there enough game film out there on his tendancies yet though?  thats what happens to QBs at most levels,  especially in the pros.   coaches,  when they have the time,  sit down, and figure guys out.   what they like here,  what they always look for there.  that stuff.    im not sure thats happened yet.  its a wait and see for me.

 

The most impressive aspect of his game so far is his ability to buy time in the pocket and find the open man all the way through his progressions. 

 

But some of that is also the 49er offense. Lots of short, intermediate levels, built in check downs they routinely utilize. 

 

He's been really good playing within the system. What remains to be seen is if he can lead that last minute game drive where he has to make chunk play throws under pressure to go win it. 

 

But no one has been able to routinely stop the 49er system while beating their defense often enough to take a big lead. 

 

 

[boyst]

Would you take Lawrence over Purdy, though? 

[bigduke6]

4 minutes ago, boyst said:

Would you take Lawrence over Purdy, though? 

Lawrence has more pedigree,  so most would take him imo.   youve just seen more of Lawrence,  seen what he can do at a big time college team against big time college talent, in big games..   he's also playing on a much less talented team than Purdy.

 

does that mean Purdy cant be just as good,  of course not.  we dont really know what will happen.   Lawrence is the safer bet though.

[Mr. WEO]

5 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

He looks good. Even when he gets flustered and scrambles behind the line he never seems to make a bad play. He either finds a check down or throws it away. Of course the Shanhanan system is one of the most QB friendly out there. We will see how Brock looks when they need to rely on him for 40 attempts. But right now he's only having to drop back about 25-30 times a game. 

 

49er QBs don't drop back over 40 times much (once this year).

 

3 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

The most impressive aspect of his game so far is his ability to buy time in the pocket and find the open man all the way through his progressions. 

 

But some of that is also the 49er offense. Lots of short, intermediate levels, built in check downs they routinely utilize. 

 

He's been really good playing within the system. What remains to be seen is if he can lead that last minute game drive where he has to make chunk play throws under pressure to go win it. 

 

But no one has been able to routinely stop the 49er system while beating their defense often enough to take a big lead. 

 

 

 

He has out performed all other SF QBs in that system.  Is it because of CMC?  In CMC's 5 games on the 49ers before Purdy, they averaged 25 PPG.  In the 7 games they played together, they scored 40 PPG

[Mr. WEO]

13 minutes ago, bigduke6 said:

Lawrence has more pedigree,  so most would take him imo.   youve just seen more of Lawrence,  seen what he can do at a big time college team against big time college talent, in big games..   he's also playing on a much less talented team than Purdy.

 

does that mean Purdy cant be just as good,  of course not.  we dont really know what will happen.   Lawrence is the safer bet though.

 

How did Lawrence do in the biggest games of his Sophomore and Junior years?

[Beck Water]

On 12/12/2022 at 5:19 PM, Simon said:

The 49ers instantly became a more dangerous team the minute he stepped on the field.

 

Did they?  I'm not sure.  There are too many other factors that almost coincide.

 

The biggest of them would be the trade for CMC.  I would say it took him a week or two, and the 49ers became a more dangerous team as soon as he was integrated into the offense.  He arrived Week 7, starting week 10 say (they had the Rams week 8 and looked great, but I'm not sure what that means; bye week 9).  Basically, the biggest help for Brock Purdy is that no one has really figured out how to shut down the 49ers run game since CMC arrived.

 

Then, Arik Armstead returned Week 13 - the same week Purdy started playing

 

I think Brock Purdy looks good, don't get me wrong.   Yes, he's supported by an amazing run game and YAC game - second in the league by 0.1 YPC.  And a competent QB on which the defense lacks film, is always going to be more dangerous than a competent QB whose tendencies are fully known.  He also clearly knows what he's seeing and where to go with the ball, and he's got enough arm to get the ball deep.

 

But MAN, what on earth defense were the Seasnakes putting on the field yesterday?   I was just watching going WTF was that?

 

I can tell you really like him, and I respect that, but I feel that it's too soon yet to tell who he is.  People were all over Mac Jones 12 games into his rookie year, after all.

Edited January 15, 2023 by Beck Water

[Mr. WEO]

1 minute ago, Beck Water said:

 

Did they?  I'm not sure.  There are too many other factors that almost coincide.

 

The biggest of them would be the trade for CMC.  I would say it took him a week or two, and the 49ers became a more dangerous team as soon as he was integrated into the offense.  He arrived Week 7, starting week 10 say (they had the Rams week 8 and looked great, but I'm not sure what that means; bye week 9)

 

 

 

 

see the numbers above cited

[Success]

Purdy is legit, imo.  HIs success shows how important mental toughness is in QB evaluations. You can just tell he has it. He doesn't panic.

 

He's surrounded by a great team, which helps. But I've seen enough situations where plays have broken down and he has come up big - I think he'll be the starter there, even when Lance makes it back.

 

[AllenDaBomb]

The 49's are really strong in the skill positions and this allows them to be less reliant on QB play. With that being said, Purdy is perfect for their system because he just has to come in, keep it simple and not make many mistakes in order for them to win.

[Airseven]

He’s good. The question is how good.

[buffblue]

32 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said:

He looks good. Even when he gets flustered and scrambles behind the line he never seems to make a bad play. He either finds a check down or throws it away. Of course the Shanhanan system is one of the most QB friendly out there. We will see how Brock looks when they need to rely on him for 40 attempts. But right now he's only having to drop back about 25-30 times a game. 

Exactly. He looks good but came into the perfect situation. I'm not going to overreact.

 

Wouldn't it be nice to throw an easy 8 yard cross to someone and have them turn on the jets for a 71 yard touchdown? Has that ever happened in the Allen era? 

[Joe Ferguson]

Brock Purdy is the quintessential game manager QB. There were game manager QBs that won Super Bowls. Trent Dilfer, Joe Flacco, Brad Johnson...

[aristocrat]

I don’t know that I saw him make a truly jaw dropping play. His best throw was a td dropped in the corner of the end zone but even then he had to stop and set his feet. he’s got a great o line and weapons. 

[mannc]

47 minutes ago, Heavy Kevi said:

 

Lance was the starter before he went down. That means he won the job over JimmyG.

 

Pretty obvious

C’mon…Lance was handed the job because he was the 3d overall pick and the team would look silly if they didn’t play him over a journeyman like Garappolo. He didn’t earn squat.

[DCofNC]

4 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson said:

Brock Purdy is the quintessential game manager QB. There were game manager QBs that won Super Bowls. Trent Dilfer, Joe Flacco, Brad Johnson...

I’m not so sure, the kid is playing lights out, albeit with a real good team around him.  He appears better than Jimmy G in the same system.  To me, Jimmy is captain of the game manager team.  Purdy actually looks like he can make some plays.  For a guy in his 6th start in the NFL, as a rookie, in the playoffs, it’s pretty impressive what he is doing/has done.  I’m not ready to label him anything other than an absolute steal in the draft.

[Mr. WEO]

6 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

I don’t know that I saw him make a truly jaw dropping play. His best throw was a td dropped in the corner of the end zone but even then he had to stop and set his feet. he’s got a great o line and weapons. 

 

that was a truly jaw dropping play that ended in a straight up drop of a perfectly placed ball

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

that was a truly jaw dropping play that ended in a straight up drop of a perfectly placed ball

When he scrambled out of two sacks and got two dump offs for TD's were impressive plays by a rookie.

 

My take is that yes, Brock is probably on the best team in the NFL as a rookie QB.  And also that his accuracy, poise and command of the pocket are extremely impressive for pick #241 or whatever he is.

 

IMO, the Brocketship has a higher trade value than any rookie or 2nd year QB not named Trevor Lawrence.

[Airseven]

49 minutes ago, boyst said:

Would you take Lawrence over Purdy, though? 

Of course. Greater upside. Purdy‘s accomplishment so far is already proving his floor is a competent starting QB. That’s significant considering half the teams in the league need one.