Einstein Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) - He mentions that Gabe Davis only runs 3 primary routes and knowing that from film study makes it easier on the defense. The DB says Davis showed all game what he showed on tape. - On the game ending INT he said he knows our redzone concepts and as soon as he saw Davis motion into the bunch and run the laser concept, all he had to do was stay tight in his coverage. Edited November 17, 2022 by Einstein 2 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 So Davis has been figured out. That might explain his past month. Lovely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 hmmmm… some things for our offensive guys to take into account (if they haven’t already!) Thanks for posting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Just now, KDIGGZ said: So Davis has been figured out. That might explain his past month. Lovely You can have Davis be successful if we have just one outside WR to step up. Diggs moving on the field, slot specifically, will open up areas of the field where 3 routes are all that would be needed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 With all that being said, it was a bad throw and late throw by Josh. Of the throw is on, and the timing is on, it’s a TD every single time assuming Gabe catches it. 5 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyBatty is alive Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Great stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Just now, KDIGGZ said: So Davis has been figured out. That might explain his past month. Lovely Davis runs the routes that are designed/called. If we are calling plays that are so preditable then the blame goes to the OC, and explains why we are struggling as much as we are If its this easy then I've got to ask .... WTF Dorsey? 1 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Dorsey better get this fixed 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsbackto81 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 If you know Peterson and his interviews you'd know he has no problem taking all the credit when things go well and pushing all the blame when things go bad. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 minute ago, mrags said: With all that being said, it was a bad throw and late throw by Josh. Of the throw is on, and the timing is on, it’s a TD every single time assuming Gabe catches it. If plays are that predictable in the NFL NFL Coaches and players are going to figure it out real fast, and they did, and have Josh has hit some tight windows, but when you are doing the same thing over and over again those tight windows are getting smaller and smaller. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Einstein said: - He mentions that Gabe Davis only runs 3 primary routes and knowing that from film study makes it easier on the defense. The DB says Davis showed all game what he showed on tape. - On the game ending INT he said he knows our redzone concepts and as soon as he saw Davis motion into the bunch and run the laser concept, all he had to do was stay tight in his coverage. Kind of funny when they got beat on a double move for the game winning td in regulation by gabe and had to hold him lol. If they could predict his routes, why did he have a step on Peterson with no safety help for the game winning td? Seems like it’s a bit of revisionist history at work here wouldve taken a good throw for the td but at worst that’s an incompletion if josh didn’t throw an absolutely horrendous pass Edited November 17, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 17, 2022 Author Share Posted November 17, 2022 Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Kind of funny when they got beat on a double move for the game winning td in regulation by gabe and had to hold him lol. I also remember thinking that Knox was interfered with in the endzone on the back shoulder throw. Can’t remember if it was in OT or near the end of the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 hopefully the offense can fix this....put together back to back very good performances and get to 8-3 then have OBJ choose to come here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Einstein said: I also remember thinking that Knox was interfered with in the endzone on the back shoulder throw. Can’t remember if it was in OT or near the end of the game. Yea he probably was but I can’t fault them for not calling it in that moment…plus we got an absolute gift on that gabe drop at the end of regulation just to get us to that point 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, ddaryl said: If plays are that predictable in the NFL NFL Coaches and players are going to figure it out real fast, and they did, and have Josh has hit some tight windows, but when you are doing the same thing over and over again those tight windows are getting smaller and smaller. There’s only so many routes to be ran. Especially in the red zone. It’s no secret that Davis is targeted in the red zone on slants and crossers simply because of his size. Again, if Allen is ok with his throw there it’s a TD. It was a bad throw and he was late delivering it. It’s that simple. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 17, 2022 Author Share Posted November 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: Yea he probably was but I can’t fault them for not calling it in that moment…plus we got an absolute gift on that gabe drop at the end of regulation just to get us to that point Yeah that Gabe Davis catch was a gift. Just found the Knox play and posted it. I didn’t realize how catchable the ball was. Knox should have ended the game right here. Bummer. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transient Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, Einstein said: I also remember thinking that Knox was interfered with in the endzone on the back shoulder throw. Can’t remember if it was in OT or near the end of the game. It was the play right before the INT in OT. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 11 minutes ago, Process said: Dorsey and our lack of talent at WR are a major problem. Diggs is elite. Period. The rest? Average at best. With a passing offense, it’s pretty crappy that we haven’t thrown any major resources into the passing game other than the trade for Diggs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Just now, Einstein said: Yeah that Gabe Davis catch was a gift. Just found the Knox play and posted it. I didn’t realize how catchable the ball was. Knox should have ended the game right here. Bummer. I feel bad for josh man…he carries the team 9 times out of 10 and nobody seems to be able to step up and bail him out when he needs it. he hit Davis right between the numbers on that 70 yard bomb the week before too that could’ve been the game winner and would’ve at worst tied it. he got robbed of an epic 4th quarter comeback against kc in the playoffs, got robbed of the same against Arizona a couple years back due to the defense givin up the hail Murray. We’re just straight up cursed 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Just now, whorlnut said: Diggs is elite. Period. The rest? Average at best. With a passing offense, it’s pretty crappy that we haven’t thrown any major resources into the passing game other than the trade for Diggs. Davis is elite on deep throws Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 17, 2022 Author Share Posted November 17, 2022 Just now, Generic_Bills_Fan said: I feel bad for josh man…he carries the team 9 times out of 10 and nobody seems to be able to step up and bail him out when he needs it. he hit Davis right between the numbers on that 70 yard bomb the week before too that could’ve been the game winner and would’ve at worst tied it. he got robbed of an epic 4th quarter comeback against kc in the playoffs, got robbed of the same against Arizona a couple years back due to the defense givin up the hail Murray. We’re just straight up cursed 100% agreed. And Davis has had several drops this year. Here is a photo of the Knox drop. I can’t believe I didn’t notice this during the game. My adrenaline was pumping. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Einstein said: 100% agreed. And Davis has had several drops this year. Here is a photo of the Knox drop. I can’t believe I didn’t notice this during the game. My adrenaline was pumping. The DB got his arm in there to break it up. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 17, 2022 Author Share Posted November 17, 2022 (edited) 1 minute ago, Doc said: The DB got his arm in there to break it up. I just slowed it down and I think you’re right - I think the ball slightly deflects off the DB’s forearm. Still catchable though. . Edited November 17, 2022 by Einstein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Doc said: The DB's hand was there to break it up. The DB got his arm in there to break it up. Oh yea it’s pretty semantic whether you want to label it a drop or a great defensive play but either way that’s a catch Knox certainly can make. This is just a screenshot obviously but it looked like it was in Knox’s hands before getting knocked out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 1 minute ago, Doc said: The DB got his arm in there to break it up. Agreed. That said, Jefferson made about 5 catches just like that during the game with the DB’s arm in the way. I still have no idea how. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimer1960 Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Sadly, Bills completely over-estimated both Davis and McKenzie. This offense is built completely around the passing game and Davis is - at best - a marginal starting WR and McKenzie is a disaster as a replacement for Beasley. I don't know what to make of Knox - is he hurt or is he just not good? Allen isn't enough to carry this team. Sadly, a ton of competing priorities in the offseason for improvement. They NEED better receivers beyond Diggs, they NEED a TE that can contribute, it would make sense to develop a run game, they need to get 2 starting safeties on D if Poyer and Hyde leave..... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted November 17, 2022 Author Share Posted November 17, 2022 17 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: Agreed. That said, Jefferson made about 5 catches just like that during the game with the DB’s arm in the way. I still have no idea how. Jefferson made a catch while our DB had two full hands around the ball! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALLEN1QB Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Awesome now I can drop him from my fantasy team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Y’all still love Dorsey? Eeeeeek. Not good fellas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 33 minutes ago, Einstein said: Yeah that Gabe Davis catch was a gift. Just found the Knox play and posted it. I didn’t realize how catchable the ball was. Knox should have ended the game right here. Bummer. Love Knox the person, but that was a bad contract extension. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norcalbillsfan Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 I'd take this with a grain of salt, im sure alot of it is true but its pretty easy to say how well you know an offense AFTER you play them, and say "ya I saw that route a mile away, and knew exactly what to do" when at the end of the day it was simply a terrible throw, not a great play on the ball. Not to mention Gabe still had a solid game with a TD for a wr2 that was "figured out" 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 14 minutes ago, Einstein said: Jefferson made a catch while our DB had two full hands around the ball! A one handed catch at that. That guy is really special. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 51 minutes ago, Einstein said: I also remember thinking that Knox was interfered with in the endzone on the back shoulder throw. Can’t remember if it was in OT or near the end of the game. It was the play prior to the pick iirc 12 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said: Love Knox the person, but that was a bad contract extension. Agreed. 14M should’ve been spent elsewhere. He’s a little better than a average Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 13 minutes ago, Einstein said: Jefferson made a catch while our DB had two full hands around the ball! seriously, insane. That said, I would argue that his one catch at the goal line was also spectacular. The ball was deflected mid air, Benford then got his hand in to deflect it again at the Point of contact, and jefferson dove down and still caught it. This was right before their failed QB sneak. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Awesome. We're tipping pitches. Was this a problem with Daboll? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 43 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Davis is elite on deep throws Except when the ball goes right through his arms like it vs the jets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 53 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Davis is elite on deep throws One trick pony? Doesn’t make him an elite player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanahan's Horseshoe Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 How is this Dorsey’s fault if there were multiple options open? And Davis was open if Josh doesn’t double pump and makes the throw on time. So Peterson can watch all the film he wants, he was still beat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 45 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said: Sadly, Bills completely over-estimated both Davis and McKenzie. This offense is built completely around the passing game and Davis is - at best - a marginal starting WR and McKenzie is a disaster as a replacement for Beasley. I don't know what to make of Knox - is he hurt or is he just not good? Allen isn't enough to carry this team. Sadly, a ton of competing priorities in the offseason for improvement. They NEED better receivers beyond Diggs, they NEED a TE that can contribute, it would make sense to develop a run game, they need to get 2 starting safeties on D if Poyer and Hyde leave..... We have had our differences, but this is an awesome post. Completely agree and couldn’t have said it better myself. Digg is elite. End of story. David is a JAG. His route tree looks like a totem pole. I say let him play out his rookie deal and draft a high WR this year to replace him in a couple years. Mckenzie sucks. Period. Knox is an anomaly. On one hand, he has elite traits, but the other he just can’t put it all together. Hoping he finds the mojo he had last year. Shakir can be something I think. He can make tough catches and seems to have a good route tree, compared to Davis. He is good at YAC too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbRiddick Posted November 17, 2022 Share Posted November 17, 2022 Davis is saving his 4th primary route for the playoffs 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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