Bills release new stadium renderings

[Mrbojanglezs]

Meh, wish the overhangs were larger

[KDIGGZ]

2 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

In the left side of that too drawing you could say the awning covers parts of the 100 level. Right side looks whack. Probably just a bad drawing like a lot have been saying. But again bad drawing is going to get criticism after making people wait several months. 

The Tottenham covered pretty much all of the seats which was a pipe dream for us but they did say 80% of the seats at one point and then they decided that was too expensive most likely which is a bummer.

 

The other aspect of that was that the Tottenham stadium was designed to keep the crowd noise in to make it louder. I'm guessing a lot of that will be lost if the roof doesn't cover as much of the stadium.

 

If you are seeing both renderings for the first time I would say that Tottenham one is nicer and that stadium is already 3 years old so by the time ours is built it will be 6-7 years old and better than our "new" one seemingly 

[US Egg]

Rendering plants can be stinky.

[SoCal Deek]

Just to clarify for people, these renderings are NOT drawn with a pencil. We create renderings these days by simply taking a screen image of the 3D computer model of the actual architectural design and then use a software filter to make the images appear to be hand drawn. I guarantee they are 100% accurate. Now, that doesn’t mean that the perspective can be a bit deceiving. 
 

I hope that clears up some of the confusion.

[The Wiz]

24 minutes ago, SDS said:

it’s a goddamn drawing.

[CountDorkula]

1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:

Just to clarify for people, these renderings are NOT drawn with a pencil. We create renderings these days by simply taking a screen image of the 3D computer model of the actual architectural design and then use a software filter to make the images appear to be hand drawn. I guarantee they are 100% accurate. Now, that doesn’t mean that the perspective can be a bit deceiving. 
 

I hope that clears up some of the confusion.

look at this guy, how would you know….

 

(this is in jest just so everyone is clear) 

[henry jones]

It's definitely the most awe inspiring stadium, but it's still better than watching them play 8 games at Rogers Centre!! 

 

I'm not an acoustic expert, but the "canopy" should help focus the sound back towards the field, correct?

[billyudi]

Looks nice and modern and will be an upgrade, but kind of generic. I'm curious where the "team's desire for a visual identity that reflects some of the historical architecture of Buffalo" is in the renderings. Or is that the three giant bison?

 

Edited October 27, 2022 by billyudi
added question mark

[SDS]

5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Just to clarify for people, these renderings are NOT drawn with a pencil. We create renderings these days by simply taking a screen image of the 3D computer model of the actual architectural design and then use a software filter to make the images appear to be hand drawn. I guarantee they are 100% accurate. Now, that doesn’t mean that the perspective can be a bit deceiving. 
 

I hope that clears up some of the confusion.

 

Whatever the perspective they are using isn't natural. The lower bowl isn't going to be flat on one side. Real estate photos are "accurate" too. Rooms don't look that way though.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, henry jones said:

It's definitely the most awe inspiring stadium, but it's still better than watching them play 8 games at Rogers Centre!! 

 

I'm not an acoustic expert, but the "canopy" should help focus the sound back towards the field, correct?

Correct. Sound waves work very similar to light waves hitting a mirror and bounce the sound back at an angle off the surface opposite from the direction they came. All of this can be modeled to ‘concentrate’ and focus the sound towards a particular surface, like the playing field. The exact opposite technique is used in a performing arts theater where the surfaces are designed  to bounce or distribute the sound from the stage in multiple directions so as to avoid echoes and feedback. 

[TH3]

What is the matter with most of you….freaking crybabies

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Over a decade ago I took an urban planning class at UB specifically about the Buffalo/Niagara region. Learned about all the mistakes that have been made and methods that were being implemented to reduce urban sprawl. It’s sad to think that building another stadium across the street in the middle of nowhere will be another mistake up there with cutting off the waterfront with the 190, but it’s true. I’m not mad I’m actually amazed the people of Buffalo could be happy about this. 

[BillsfaninSB]

Not going to complain about any aspects.  Just want the damn thing built and make sure the Bills stay anchored in WNY for the rest of my life.

 

Hated having the relocation threat hanging over our collective heads for the last couple of decades. 

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, SDS said:

 

Whatever the perspective they are using isn't natural. The lower bowl isn't going to be flat on one side. Real estate photos are "accurate" too. Rooms don't look that way though.

Not sure how to make this any clearer for you. The difference in a real estate photo is that the object (house or room) your rendering tends to be much much smaller. In the case of a stadium interior we have to ask the computer to put somewhat more of a fish eye lens on the perspective or you simply aren’t going to see much. Your stereo vision eyes can take it all in when you’re actually there, but a single camera angle has to be somewhat forced. 
 

I hope that helps.

[Shake_My_Head]

41 minutes ago, Rico said:

I don’t see a Ralph statue. 

It's under the Buffalos...😇

[SDS]

2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Not sure how to make this any clearer for you. The difference in a real estate photo is that the object (house or room) your rendering tends to be much much smaller. In the case of a stadium interior we have to ask the computer to put somewhat more of a fish eye lens on the perspective or you simply aren’t going to see much. Your stereo vision eyes can take it all in when you’re actually there, but a single camera angle has to be somewhat forced. 
 

I hope that helps.

 

Lol. Thanks. I'm an optical engineer who also uses SolidWorks. I'm also a computer guy. I can handle the discussion. I also have designed my own lenses in optical design software. And I'm an pro-am photographer.

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, Rock-A-Bye Beasley said:

Am I mad they’re building another open air stadium in the middle of nowhere costing taxpayers a billion dollars you ask? Yes

Then stay home and watch em on TV. Keep telling yourself that.

[Just Jack]

14 minutes ago, CountDorkula said:

look at this guy, how would you know….

 

(this is in jest just so everyone is clear) 

 

I know.  Doesn't he understand that opinions and Google are more accurate than daily hands-on experience and education? 

[CountDorkula]

1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Then stay home and watch em on TV. Keep telling yourself that.

I’m genuinely excited for when the tickets start to drop as the weather gets bad like they always do. 
 

 

[RiotAct]

4 minutes ago, SDS said:

 

Lol. Thanks. I'm an optical engineer who also uses SolidWorks. I'm also a computer guy. I can handle the discussion. I also have designed my own lenses in optical design software. And I'm an pro-am photographer.

I, too, enjoy computers and photography.

[Logic]

9 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

It's ugly af.

[Punching Bag]

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Spend less on sales and more on actual stadium.

 

This sounds like some commercials on late late night (cheapest time) commercials.

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

I was forced to switch from Solidworks to Autodesk Inventor about 20 years ago by a clueless engineering manager. Still sour about that...

We’re 100% Revit based these days and then import the model into Lumion to make these sort of renderings and fly through animations. I’m not sure what software the stadium architects are using.

[Billznut]

I love how the Bills got pressured into finally releasing some renderings by how fast Tennessee made theirs available to the public. Without that we would have waited another six months or more. 

[Not at the table Karlos]

1 hour ago, Motorin' said:

 

Dark and light are relative. The human eye can see all of the color in shadows and direct sunlight at the same time just fine. Older cameras have less dynamic range that the human eye, so the contrast between shadow and direct sunlight is severe...

 

Newer cameras have much better dynamic range than the human eye. So they can render all of the color in the shadows and all of the color in the highlights, making the contrast between the two much less. No more washed out sunny field or blackened shadows...

 

And the signal can also be processed to increase the brightness in the shadows and decrease the brightness in the highlights as long as the camera can properly expose both highlight and shadows at the same time. Older cameras could only properly expose one or the other... And the most annoying thing ever was watching a game with the camera set to auto exposure, so the picture would constantly pulse between all white highlights or all back shadows. 

I understand that. Watching in person the shadow is still annoying. Again it's not about the cameras it's about the shadow

Edited October 27, 2022 by Not at the table Karlos

[mrags]

36 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

I'm comparing this rendering to that rendering. Roof was said to cover 80% now it's 65%, you can tell that's where they cheaped out

 

Definitely looks like that extra little bit of awning that might be additional coverage after the initial presumed roof makes all the difference. It’s the difference between covering everything in the upper stands and half of the 100s and none of the 100s being covered at all and only half of the upper levels, or even less. 

[Punching Bag]

3 hours ago, Bangarang said:

Are we talking retractable canopies? Is that even a thing? As shown, it doesn’t look like it would cover 65% of the seats.

 

If that’s the stadium, which apparently it is, then that’s a whole lot of meh from me. Then again, I’m someone who wanted a dome. 
 

If the inspiration was Tottenham’s stadium then I think they managed to make one that looks worse. 

 

No stadium will satisfy pro-dome people (domers? DOoMERs? dome heads?). 

 

This is such an obsession that that as soon as someone mentions dome I discount opinion. 

[FieldGeneral]

Pretty pretty good. 

[Billznut]

27 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

We have been rendered,

Only thanks to Tennessee having their act together much faster. Peer pressure. 

[Blank Stare]

8 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

It's ugly af.

Based on the two pictures we have to react to, I think the outside looks pretty bad assed. I’ll admit the inside rendering opens more questions than providing answers at this point, but I’ll reserve judgement until I see more views. Not saying this is you, but anyone expecting a SoFi, Jerry World, Allegiant, or Tennessee was always going to be disappointed. It was never going to happen in Orchard Park.  

[faderphreak]

1 hour ago, jletha said:

Very intentional choice on the scoreboard renderings haha. Weird they chose us instead of Indy or the Ravens or something.

 

Hahaha. I am in a meeting and I was scrolling through waiting for someone to point out the use of what appears to be the stiff arm of Norman by Henry on the big board in the Titans Stadium rendering.  Salty.  

[CountDorkula]

1 minute ago, Billznut said:

I love how the Bills got pressured into finally releasing some renderings by how fast Tennessee made theirs available to the public. Without that we would have waited another six months or more. 

With that I can’t believe how hard the bills and their marketing team failed on this one.
 

the Tennessee release had a fly in video had some clips of the Titans playing had different views of the new stadium and some aspects about it. 
 

the Bills….. here are two ***** pictures. 

[SoCal Deek]

1 minute ago, CountDorkula said:

With that I can’t believe how hard the bills and their marketing team failed on this one.
 

the Tennessee release had a fly in video had some clips of the Titans playing had different views of the new stadium and some aspects about it. 
 

the Bills….. here are two ***** pictures. 

I have to agree. In the world of architecture, this would be considered a bare minimum presentation for a project of this scale and public interest. Not exactly sure what’s going on here. 

[Greg S]

59 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

You can’t have people in the stadium while construction is going on, and it is going to take a good amount of time to get all STH relocated, and then have time to sell the rest. It is interesting that they were able to do this at NYJ/NYG stadium.  I guess it all depends on the construction timeline. 

 

Not true. It will reach a point when it is safe for them to tour the stadium. The Islanders did the same thing when UBS was being built. Fans will have to wear a hard hat when touring the stadium, but it can be done.

[K-9]

When I look at the pre-construction renderings of Hotspur stadium and compare them to the final product, I’m not convinced that our new stadium won’t also cover much more of the seating.

[0017]

Of all the stadium rendering I’ve seen, this is one of them. Real question is how many toilets in the visiting locker room? Hoping it’s just one 🤞🏼 

[SoCal Deek]

3 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

I tried to use Revit to design my house, but it was a different animal compared to Inventor, so stuck with what I know. Used to use 3DSMax to render, but that was years ago. I doubt it's still the renderer of choice...

Way to go Gene. You’re a brave man trying to use Revit. It’s definitely not for ‘beginners’…no offense intended. Our people are on it full time and it’s still quite cumbersome. 

[KDIGGZ]

8 minutes ago, mrags said:

Definitely looks like that extra little bit of awning that might be additional coverage after the initial presumed roof makes all the difference. It’s the difference between covering everything in the upper stands and half of the 100s and none of the 100s being covered at all and only half of the upper levels, or even less. 

The Tottenham one looks like an actual roof structure too at the base. The Bills stadium looks like they are reusing some car port coverings from an apt complex

Edited October 27, 2022 by KDIGGZ

[gobills404]

1 hour ago, What a Tuel said:

 

But then you end up like this and no one likes this.

A sleeker version of that without the bulky retractable roof system would look great.

[SoCal Deek]

Just now, Gene1973 said:

Almost like they weren't ready and politics forced the issue...

I doubt it. Once the design is set (which is what takes all the time) we can provide literally dozens and dozens of views in the span of a weekend…including a fly around video.