Wizard Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 I am wondering if there is a realistic upgrade at guard available. If so, any non-playoff looking teams who may be willing to do so. I do not know a lot about guards. Do you think Buffalo would look at someone with a higher pass blocking rating, a strength already across the line, or would the Bills likely favor someone with higher run blocking ability? Who might be available and what is a realistic cost? The guy I would want the Bills to call on would be Chris Lindstrom of the Falcons. I know drafting OL is a strong possibility in the next draft. Just curious if we stand pat, or what kind of move may make sense. Thoughts? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Who are they replacing? They just signed Bates a few months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Who are they replacing? They just signed Bates a few months ago. Saffold is regularly listed in the bottom 5 performers on the team 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Every one says that our O line sucks but then you listen to someone like Dan Orlavski & he in a break down of last weeks game gives our guys a great review of their individual & collective play but if you ask the experts here they say they suck i don't get it ... 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Saffold is regularly listed in the bottom 5 performers on the team But they aren’t replacing him. They’ve targeted him in free agency. Hopefully the Chiefs game is something they build on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: But they aren’t replacing him. They’ve targeted him in free agency. Hopefully the Chiefs game is something they build on. Ike is gonna take his job. He’s getting replaced. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 14 minutes ago, T master said: Every one says that our O line sucks but then you listen to someone like Dan Orlavski & he in a break down of last weeks game gives our guys a great review of their individual & collective play but if you ask the experts here they say they suck i don't get it ... As many would say, "It's PFF", but none the less, they rank the Bills at 22.. Bottom 3rd? We have PLENTY that could be improved. https://www.google.com/amp/s/finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/pff-bills-offensive-line-ranked-151502886.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Guard play has been bad for the entire league. Defensive lines have been dominant. Even Tim Settle pushed Quentin Nelson around. 😁 There just isn't enough to go around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 25 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Who are they replacing? They just signed Bates a few months ago. Bates Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, unbillievable said: Guard play has been bad for the entire league. Defensive lines have been dominant. Even Tim Settle pushed Quentin Nelson around. 😁 There just isn't enough to go around. I mentioned Dalton Risner from the Broncos in the deadline thread. Might be worth a look at. Edited October 23, 2022 by LyndonvilleBill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 minute ago, LyndonvilleBill said: I mentioned Dalton Risner from the Broncos in the deadline thread. Might be worth a look at. I’d love risner. Seems like a process guy through and through. Then again, we wouldn’t be talking about this if we had just taken Creed Humphrey instead of Carlos Basham or Dylan Parham instead of Bernard. 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 minute ago, whorlnut said: I’d love risner. Seems like a process guy through and through. Then again, we wouldn’t be talking about this if we had just taken Creed Humphrey instead of Carlos Basham or Dylan Parham instead of Bernard. Don't disagree, but, need to move forward. Can't keep living in the past. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wizard Posted October 23, 2022 Author Share Posted October 23, 2022 I am not indicating that the guards are horrible. In Championship windows, a team always looks to improve in those areas that may be most vulnerable come the playoffs. Boettger may be that player needed. Still, Saffold is a shorter term addition. The team is solid, however, until a championship is won, I am wondering if there is something out there to make the team even more formidable. Just short-term and longer-term planning question/thought. It's what good businesses, financial portfolios, and teams do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 With only a couple of exceptions, every team is in the same boat: Their offensive lines consist of one or two good offensive linemen and the rest are average or below - and their depth is awful. I can't see any team giving up a lineman that would be worth trading for. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 3 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: With only a couple of exceptions, every team is in the same boat: Their offensive lines consist of one or two good offensive linemen and the rest are average or below - and their depth is awful. I can't see any team giving up a lineman that would be worth trading for. Is Ereck Flowers still a FA?🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 59 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Saffold is regularly listed in the bottom 5 performers on the team Listed by who? The only list that counts is the coaches list. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 33 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: As many would say, "It's PFF", but none the less, they rank the Bills at 22.. Bottom 3rd? We have PLENTY that could be improved. https://www.google.com/amp/s/finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/pff-bills-offensive-line-ranked-151502886.html True you can always improve but i don't think we suck as bad as some here think we do ! WOW you be a Lyndonville NY Bill ? Use to live there myself on County line rd lot of family & friends still there . Go Bills !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Colin Brown is available. Vlad Ducasse. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Daryl Williams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 42 minutes ago, LyndonvilleBill said: As many would say, "It's PFF", but none the less, they rank the Bills at 22.. Bottom 3rd? We have PLENTY that could be improved. https://www.google.com/amp/s/finance.yahoo.com/amphtml/news/pff-bills-offensive-line-ranked-151502886.html You're right..it is PFF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LyndonvilleBill Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Just now, T master said: True you can always improve but i don't think we suck as bad as some here think we do ! WOW you be a Lyndonville NY Bill ? Use to live there myself on County line rd lot of family & friends still there . Go Bills !! 😁. Yes sir. Millers rd. 1st farm on the left past the canning factory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 I remember a couple weeks ago Josh Allen was asked about what having Saffold has meant to the oline. He replied with the typical stuff you would expect (leadership and experience), however he added that Saffold had been playing through a few injuries and was not at 100%. I think his play on the field has reflected that. I'm hoping the bye week can help him come along a bit and will improve his ability. Trading mid season for a guard is a difficult task. Takes time to build familiarity with your line mates. Not only in learning the blocking assignments but in what the guys around you tend to do. Yes, they would need to gel. If Saffold is replaced (he won't be IMO) they would do it with next man up...either Q or (GASP) Bobby Hart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unbillievable Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Maybe the Browns can trade Wyatt Teller back to us. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artmalibu Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Anyone have a clue when Ike will be ready? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 38 minutes ago, whorlnut said: I’d love risner. Seems like a process guy through and through. Then again, we wouldn’t be talking about this if we had just taken Creed Humphrey instead of Carlos Basham or Dylan Parham instead of Bernard. Oh whoa is us. Only if Brandon Beane would’ve done like I had wanted him to we’d be the best team in the league….. Edited October 23, 2022 by NewEra 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Just now, NewEra said: Oh whoa is us. Only if Brandon Beane would’ve done like I had wanted him to we’d be the best team in the league….. 1.5 years later— Am I wrong? Would we be talking about this if either of those guys were the pick? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djp14150 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 19 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: With only a couple of exceptions, every team is in the same boat: Their offensive lines consist of one or two good offensive linemen and the rest are average or below - and their depth is awful. I can't see any team giving up a lineman that would be worth trading for. There is always PS discount bin to search in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 minute ago, whorlnut said: Am I wrong? Would we be talking about this if either of those guys were the pick? It’s not about being wrong…..you just don’t get it. As expected 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turftoe Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 Lindstrom’s cap hit would be huge for Atlanta. He isn’t going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 9 minutes ago, NewEra said: It’s not about being wrong…..you just don’t get it. As expected Do you have opinions? Yes. I do too. You can’t just leave it at that. You just have to keep cherry picking my posts. “As expected”… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 hour ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Saffold is regularly listed in the bottom 5 performers on the team No he's not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 No, Sad as that is, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Paulson Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 hour ago, T master said: Every one says that our O line sucks but then you listen to someone like Dan Orlavski & he in a break down of last weeks game gives our guys a great review of their individual & collective play but if you ask the experts here they say they suck i don't get it ... once they went back to pin and pull schemes from outside zone they started looking average to good. wide zone blocking is not our strength 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 39 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said: I remember a couple weeks ago Josh Allen was asked about what having Saffold has meant to the oline. He replied with the typical stuff you would expect (leadership and experience), however he added that Saffold had been playing through a few injuries and was not at 100%. I think his play on the field has reflected that. I'm hoping the bye week can help him come along a bit and will improve his ability. Trading mid season for a guard is a difficult task. Takes time to build familiarity with your line mates. Not only in learning the blocking assignments but in what the guys around you tend to do. Yes, they would need to gel. If Saffold is replaced (he won't be IMO) they would do it with next man up...either Q or (GASP) Bobby Hart. Saffold started the season coming off a shoulder injury, if you all remember he was on the sidelines during a big chunk of training camp, so it should come as no surprise to anyone that he was not in game shape at the start of the season, the KC game appears to show he is coming around, fingers crossed 🤞 he has turned the corner so to speak. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills2022 Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 The odds of a good guard being available are about the same as a good QB or Pass Rusher being available. It is not going to happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) This is the line that gave up one (1) sack and plowed the way for 125 yards in their last game. And zero (0) sacks and 120 yards in the game before that. And one (1) sack and 125 yards in the game before that. Last three games: 2 sacks, and 370 yards . . . Not time to panic. Sure, if some all-world o-lineman becomes available on the cheap, go for it. But that ain't happening. But don't panic, our o-line is doing just fine. Edited October 23, 2022 by CSBill 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 1 hour ago, whorlnut said: I’d love risner. Seems like a process guy through and through. Then again, we wouldn’t be talking about this if we had just taken Creed Humphrey instead of Carlos Basham or Dylan Parham instead of Bernard. Any maybe we'd have lost last weeks game to KC without Basham . Believe I read some article the other day thathe actually has one of the highest rating's on the D line. The biggest issue this team has had for the past two seasons was rushing the passer and stopping the run, so can't in any way fault them for putting many of their resources in that area. Having said that, do think this coming off season will see more picks on O-line Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 I just think it’s time for our OL whisperer and teenage attitude adjuster to get this group peaking 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No_Matter_What Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, whorlnut said: I’d love risner. Seems like a process guy through and through. Then again, we wouldn’t be talking about this if we had just taken Creed Humphrey instead of Carlos Basham or Dylan Parham instead of Bernard. Comments like this would have value if you listed all your draft choices. Maybe this team is much better than your alternative one because Beane drafted Rousseau, Knox, Davis, Benford and many other players instead of those you were suggesting. It works both ways, but you are cherrypicking his percieved misses to prove your point. Edited October 23, 2022 by No_Matter_What Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 23, 2022 Share Posted October 23, 2022 I am sure they can improve inside but to me the bigger need to tackle Depth. Now that Doyle is done and brown is insured who is next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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